A&Ms Greatest Traditions...

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SquareOne07
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While I was getting ready today, I got to thinking...

A&M's greatest traditions and the ones that get the most positive PR and the ones we really want to be the image of our university are the ones aimed at helping or standing up for others, or to a degree, the unity of the Aggie Family.

  • 12th Man
  • Muster
  • Silver Taps
  • Big Event
  • "Howdy"
  • Aggie Ring
  • Elephant Walk
  • even carpool could be lumped in there...I suppose


My question is this, and I know you whiners are gonna cry troll about this simply because it's me...but oh well...my question is this:
Is bonfire, in its current form, an activity or "tradition" focused on bringing together the entire university and helping all as a whole, or is it an activity focused on helping only its members?

Flame away.
SquareOne07
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I should note the reason I got to thinking this was primarily because I was talking to a texas grad and I asked her what some of texas' traditions were. She said things like Bevo, and Texas Fight, and The Eyes, and stuff like that. I just think that stuff is more trivial. That would be like us considering Kyle Field or Albritton Tower a tradition.

It ought to be noted that this post refers to the current bonfire, not pre-99 Bonfire.
Andy07
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Ending your statement with flame away says everything about you as a poster.

Why even bother.
TexasRebel
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Since gaining membership is as easy as showing up one day and filling out a waiver, "the entire university population" and "members" are one and the same.

That's like asking if a hospital is geared toward helping everybody, or only those that are inside its doors.
SquareOne07
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Andy, I ended it as such because there is nothing I could post here that people wouldn't take issue with.

And to the both of you...way to entirely miss the point.

Skipping over hard to handle questions/situations...again.
BTHOB
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quote:
Is bonfire, in its current form, an activity or "tradition" focused on bringing together the entire university and helping all as a whole, or is it an activity focused on helping only its members?


To answer the question directly: Bonfire, in its current form, is an activity focused on uniting students (and former-students) through hard work, teamwork, and dedication to task. All are welcome to participate and work TOGETHER to help EVERYONE achieve a sense of pride in a job well done, a tradition upheld, and a propogation of a little something called AGGIE SPIRIT.

Whoop.
opie03
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All Aggies are invited to attend football games. Not all go, but everyone benefits from the activity directly or indirectly (funds for scholarships, Spirit, school recognition, etc.).

Same with Bonfire.

I just compaired Bonfire to Football. I know you hate when that happens, but that's how I roll.

Let me know if I avoided the question, as it was unintentional.

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dutch_chicken
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Terry,

Ever since our run-in a few months ago I have made a conscious effort both to react less passionately when posting here and to mostly avoid responding to you. However, the past few days have revealed a lot to me.

First, your question was intentionally worded in a “Do you still beat your wife” format. This is your modus operandi. You wanted to get a rise out of people. Congratulations, you did. But I would like to say that when people point out the flaw in your logic, as TR did, it is not that they are attempting to avoid answering your question. TR did answer your question; you just didn’t like the response. BTHOB answered your question directly and succinctly. I do hope you will accept that.

Second, you claim that you do not resort to ad hominem attacks. I disagree. Although your attacks usually take the form of the logical fallacies of straw men, hasty generalizations, poisoning the well, appeals to consequence and the occasional post hoc ergo propter hoc, your comments are worded in a way that is obviously meant as digs at those with whom you disagree. I do know the definition of ad hominem. The comments that Opie pointed out in another thread (“can’t get past college,” etc.) are definitely attacks on the person, not the viewpoint. See your last post on the “Howd [sic] Bonfire last so long?” thread for multiple examples these attacks and breakdowns in logic.

Third, you are a smart guy. Aside from some misspellings and punctuation errors (whose posts don’t have those?), your posts tend to be well written. Certainly someone as intelligent as you has better things to do than stir up the muck on this board, right? I know, you think you are helping these people with a little dose of reality.

Let me help you with some, as well. When people get out of school and get jobs they will realize how much of a help or a waste of time Bonfire was. Some will realize that it hurt their grades and kept them from achieving all of the goals they set for themselves. Others they will find that they learned skills that are directly relevant to the things they want to do in the future. Some may even find that the hard work they put into Bonfire helped them to focus on school and their grades even improved. Most will find that they have made life-long friends. A few will have met their spouses through Bonfire. What Bonfire means to each individual, and the relevance that Bonfire has to the post-college experience, are as individual as the people who participated, didn’t participate, wish they had participated, or didn’t even know what Bonfire was.

I think this is true for all of the traditions at A&M. I recently made a trip back for a football game. As I have gotten older my opinions of some of the traditions I loved when a student have changed. I hate yell practice, yells and yell leaders. I know they are tradition, but I find them to be kind of dumb. I hate that we sing the second verse of the War Hymn for every game, and never the first verse. I would love to get past the “t.u. is the only game that matters” attitude. We have a world-class athletic program. I’d love for us to start acting like it. These are my opinions, but you won’t find me on other boards spouting them. Do you know why? It’s because I have better and more important things with which to fill my time.

I, for one, don’t care if you have enough free time to come post on this board. I won’t ask you to leave or shut up. I do ask that you be as respectful of others as you ask for them to be of you. Respect must be earned; it cannot be demanded. If you can dish it out, expect to get some in return.

Kip
SquareOne07
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Direct and avoiding ridiculousness, I like that.

Rebel's showing how easy it is to sign up for bonfire is not evidence of it bringing together the campus/university however. It's not terribly tough to get into YCT, do they unite the university? It's about what the organization does, not how easy it is to be a part of, right?

Same for BTHOB, it's an honest answer, and I appreciate that, but I guess it's my fault for not being clear enough.

Does bonfire unite this university the same way 9/11 united the country? Does bonfire unite the university the same way that a great basketball season has? What about how people come together for a common cause? That's what I was aiming for I guess...I was asking if the current bonfire united people near and far.

I'm willing to agree to disagree on what you perceive to be the logic of my arguments, that's fine. You know just as well as I do that any one word or phrase, "can't get out of college", can be taken in a variety of ways.

I agree with you that for each bofire will be an individual and unique experience for all involved. I just hope it's doesn't have to have negative effects for those not involved. Again, see some residents of Moses Hall. And see all people who's money is wasted fixing what bonfire culture contribute to. If bonfire made a huge impact on your life and allowed you to take great steps towards your goals, that's great. I would just hope that your involvement in one organization avoids stepping on the toes of others who are just trying to get by.

I'm glad you don't have enough time to reply as much as others around here. Hopefully you're being a contributing member to society. One day pretty soon I hope to be in the same boat, but as for now...well you know what it's like.

Kip, I appreciate your candid approach to the situation though. Though you or many others may not agree with me, I'm not nearly as interested in you agreeing with you and I know you all don't give a damn about me agreeing with you. I'm interested in gaining insight into what some of you think, hence the question posed in this very thread. I'm not trying to change your minds, I know better than that. But I can honestly tell you, the biggest learning experiences in my life have been a result of asking myself or being asked tough or uncomfortable questions. I feel that as a result of those challenging situations, I'm a smarter and better person for it.

Perhaps ASB could stand to gain the same from dealing with uncomfortable situations in order to at the very least improve its campus-wide and community-wide image, do you agree?
TexasRebel
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quote:
I agree with you that for each bofire will be an individual and unique experience for all involved. I just hope it's doesn't have to have negative effects for those not involved. Again, see some residents of Moses Hall. And see all people who's money is wasted fixing what bonfire culture contribute to. If bonfire made a huge impact on your life and allowed you to take great steps towards your goals, that's great. I would just hope that your involvement in one organization avoids stepping on the toes of others who are just trying to get by.


What the ****?
Ag_of_08
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You wrote that for the purposes of trying to illicit a reaction from your fellow ags. You preach harmony and unity, yet try to start fights at every turn.

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Proudest member of the Fightin Texas Aggie class of 08 Beat the h*** outa tu A-A-A Whoop!!!. May bonfire forever burn in our hearts.....and may the Twelfth Man ever burn it in memory and in hope for the future.

dutch_chicken
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Terry,

I think your original question and your restatement are completely different.

quote:
Is bonfire, in its current form, an activity or "tradition" focused on bringing together the entire university and helping all as a whole, or is it an activity focused on helping only its members?


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Does bonfire unite this university the same way 9/11 united the country? . . . That's what I was aiming for I guess...I was asking if the current bonfire united people near and far.


9/11 united the nation and the world. The Bonfire tragedy united the University, former students, students and alumni from the other tier-1 school in Texas and, in fact, the whole state for time. Like 9/11, the Bonfire follow-up has been less uniting. Look at the elections we have had since 9/11, the opposition to the "War on Terror" and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. The unity brought about by 9/11 is gone, as is the unity brought about by the Bonfire tragedy.

As you are so fond of saying, comparing the two is kinda dumb.

The fact is, nothing will unite people for long.

The purpose of Bonfire is to unite. It never united the University before the tragedy, and it's not likely to unite the University any time soon. Success and intent are not the same thing.

Kip
dutch_chicken
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Terry,

One follow-up and then I am off to bed.
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I'm interested in gaining insight into what some of you think, hence the question posed in this very thread. I'm not trying to change your minds, I know better than that. But I can honestly tell you, the biggest learning experiences in my life have been a result of asking myself or being asked tough or uncomfortable questions. I feel that as a result of those challenging situations, I'm a smarter and better person for it.


First, if this is true then please ask specific questions, not pointed questions that are, in reality, attempts to rile up those with whom you disagree.

Second, don't make the assumption that you are the only one who asks himself or has been asked tough questions. As you no doubt know, everyone involved in Bonfire asks and is asked tough questions. Whether you meant the comment to sound this way or not, it sounds as if you think you are in some way better, more intelligent, smarter or more experienced than those with whom you disagree. It is really not your place to try to mentor or teach anyone here by asking tough questions.

By all means, ask tough questions, but don't ask them in a way 1) that is meant to make yourself feel superior; 2) that is meant to, in your mind, prove that superiority by the nature of the responses you know you will get; and 3) that is intended to "teach" us something. It shows a lack of respect for those against whom you are arguing and lessens any value that could be derived from your questions.

Kip
SquareOne07
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it looks like we're all a little crabby this morning...and sensitive to boot.
Predmid
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No...we're just sick of your shtick day in and day out.
SquareOne07
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It would probably be best to whine about it and hope that the problem goes away, good call. That seems to be par for the course.
TexasRebel
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the number of people that don't know what whining actually is astounds me...
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