If the original rule was an executive rule / order, then the courts should have no say, and I think that SCOTUS will come to that conclusion.

If Congress doesn't like it, they can pass a law, and Trump would need to follow it, even if he doesn't like it.

If Trump's new order is blatantly against existing law, then the courts SHOULD overrule him, and, if Trump wants a change, he should convince Congress to change the law.

That is how this is all supposed to work, but, right now, it doesn't.

BusterAg said:

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If the original rule was an executive rule / order, then the courts should have no say, and I think that SCOTUS will come to that conclusion.

If Congress doesn't like it, they can pass a law, and Trump would need to follow it, even if he doesn't like it.

If Trump's new order is blatantly against existing law, then the courts SHOULD overrule him, and, if Trump wants a change, he should convince Congress to change the law.

That is how this is all supposed to work, but, right now, it doesn't.

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There are a lot of "ifs" in your statement to conclude that "it" doesn't work. What exactly are you claiming "doesn't work" given lack of facts here?

FWIW, I also believe in your "if" statements, but not your conclusion...other than the fact Congress fails more often than not to do their part correctly.

Here's some light reading on how things are not working correctly when it comes to the judiciary:

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3528160

I don't know enough details on this specific instance to form an opinion. My assumption is that he changed an administrative rule, which he should have the authority to do.

MemphisAg1 said:

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Us regular working stiffs -- hundreds of millions of us -- are at will employees. Can be terminated for cause or simply because the boss decides he/she doesn't need us anymore. It's how a free market works.

No reason for government employees, whether Fed "career" employees or university professors, to be treated any different.

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I wish I had more than one star to give this.

If PotUS can be "fired", via impeachment....um....so can his subordinates.

Just logical.

I have never understood why federal employees get so much more consideration than regular employees.

If you suck at your job, you should be allowed to be fired. If there's too many people doing the jobs that less people can do unfortunately, you might lose your job.

And sometimes it's just layoffs you didn't do anything wrong, but they need to cut back.

There are some, non-policy dependent, fed workers that should be able to make a career in the fed service, the same as the military. Fed law enforcement, Park Rangers, VA personnel, Firefighters, off the top of my head, benefit from a long term work force..

But, the military doesn't guarantee a career, especially if you are are sub-performer.The DoD has also had reduction if force layoffs, when they didn't need as many people.

The problem with fed workers is many (most?) are compensated more than their regular job market counterparts; their is very little accountability for sub-par performance; their is almost no meritocracy for getting promoted into a leadership or managerial role.

It's become a large and bloated work program.

I'm glad the process is being made easier for the boss, POTUS, to get rid of some of the bloat.

Now do term limits. Only endorse candidates who run on it.

InfantryAg said:

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There are some, non-policy dependent, fed workers that should be able to make a career in the fed service, the same as the military. Fed law enforcement, Park Rangers, VA personnel, Firefighters, off the top of my head, benefit from a long term work force..

But, the military doesn't guarantee a career, especially if you are are sub-performer.The DoD has also had reduction if force layoffs, when they didn't need as many people.

The problem with fed workers is many (most?) are compensated more than their regular job market counterparts; their is very little accountability for sub-par performance; their is almost no meritocracy for getting promoted into a leadership or managerial role.

It's become a large and bloated work program.

I'm glad the process is being made easier for the boss, POTUS, to get rid of some of the bloat.

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Fed jobs pay bad employees too much and great employees too little. Guess who self selects to work for the feds?

First thought is "oh no" the next Dem president will fire all the conservatives whether great workers or not, then I remembered "oh yea" there aren't many out there.

Any policy that enables less slackers on the Fed payroll is a good thing. Keep the good ones regardless of politics, like a successful business would.

These fed employees are the swamp. They are entrenched at the DoD, State, etc. and they actively undermine the President.

Rapier108 said:

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Obama or Biden judge with a TRO in 3, 2, 1...

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Or a Trump judge. They've been striking down his stuff too


But I agree with Trump here.

BusterAg said:

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InfantryAg said:

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There are some, non-policy dependent, fed workers that should be able to make a career in the fed service, the same as the military. Fed law enforcement, Park Rangers, VA personnel, Firefighters, off the top of my head, benefit from a long term work force..

But, the military doesn't guarantee a career, especially if you are are sub-performer.The DoD has also had reduction if force layoffs, when they didn't need as many people.

The problem with fed workers is many (most?) are compensated more than their regular job market counterparts; their is very little accountability for sub-par performance; their is almost no meritocracy for getting promoted into a leadership or managerial role.

It's become a large and bloated work program.

I'm glad the process is being made easier for the boss, POTUS, to get rid of some of the bloat.

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Fed jobs pay bad employees too much and great employees too little. Guess who self selects to work for the feds?

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At this point, you're making some sense. There's nothing like being told you can't get a performance award because "you got one last year, and they have to be 'equitable'", even though you outperformed your peers……again.

Those Christmas bonuses were great though. Wait……..government employees don't get those either.

50,000? That's less than 2% of the total federal workforce. And around 5% of the civilian workforce.

GeorgiAg said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Obama or Biden judge with a TRO in 3, 2, 1...

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Or a Trump judge. They've been striking down his stuff too


But I agree with Trump here.

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SCOTUS not so much.

BusterAg said:

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InfantryAg said:

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There are some, non-policy dependent, fed workers that should be able to make a career in the fed service, the same as the military. Fed law enforcement, Park Rangers, VA personnel, Firefighters, off the top of my head, benefit from a long term work force..

But, the military doesn't guarantee a career, especially if you are are sub-performer.The DoD has also had reduction if force layoffs, when they didn't need as many people.

The problem with fed workers is many (most?) are compensated more than their regular job market counterparts; their is very little accountability for sub-par performance; their is almost no meritocracy for getting promoted into a leadership or managerial role.

It's become a large and bloated work program.

I'm glad the process is being made easier for the boss, POTUS, to get rid of some of the bloat.

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Fed jobs pay bad employees too much and great employees too little. Guess who self selects to work for the feds?

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Same thing in the Army.

Good! Keep going; there's a long way to go.

Logos Stick said:

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Final rule released. This will make it much easier to fire them. He proposed the change during his first term and revived it last year.

Quote:

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Feb. 5, 2026, 7:45 AM CST

The Trump administration announced sweeping changes to the way federal workers are classified, making it easier for the president to fire nonpolitical public employees.

The changes, released in a final rule Thursday, will reclassify some policy-related positions into a new category called "policy/career," loosening job protections and allowing political appointees to fire themand handpick replacementswithout violating civil service laws. The move puts thousands of jobs in the federal government into question.

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https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/trump-eases-path-to-firing-federal-workers-with-landmark-rule

TRUMP ADMINISTRATION TO STRIP JOB PROTECTIONS FROM 50,000 FEDERAL WORKERS -- GOVERNMENT STATEMENT

— *Walter Bloomberg (@DeItaone) February 5, 2026

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There are 3M fed workers. Yawn.