I wonder if this conflict is going to push the creation of a new form of a frigate. An escort gun frigate with 4-5 CWIS guns for missiles and anti-drone drones and a gunship helicopter platform.

One paired for 2-4 tankers transiting the SOH.

After everything weve seen in Ukraine does anyone know if this is a consideration?

Bingo. Ask the Germans in winter of 1917 if blockades work.

Ask the confederates if they work.

Rs may lose midterms but trumps got almost 3 more years that's gonna feel like 40 years to the Iranians

You pretty much have to give them a chance to save face publicly but still get what you want. The problem may be Trump wants a big win he can show off but the Islamic Revolution csnt have that look like a defeat or surrender for themselves. Some sort of win win has to be worked out, but two sides don't generally "win" a war.

At this point Iran is a regional problem with a couple of international issues - nuclear weapons and the straight for the global economy.

We took a chance to see if things would be different by eliminating 5-6 layers of leadership and nothing changed.

So, we let Israel and the other ME countries deal with it and we step in when we want to hit nuclear facilities and anything threatening the straight.

I figure in 5 - 10 years everyone will figure out how to not be held hostage by the straight anyway when all the pipelines get built.

MouthBQ98 said:

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You pretty much have to give them a chance to save face publicly but still get what you want. The problem may be Trump wants a big win he can show off but the Islamic Revolution csnt have that look like a defeat or surrender for themselves. Some sort of win win has to be worked out, but two sides don't generally "win" a war.

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No, we don't. We need to win and remind people in the world not to **** with us. Our children's gloves and apathy are what have led us to this point.

MouthBQ98 said:

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You pretty much have to give them a chance to save face publicly but still get what you want. The problem may be Trump wants a big win he can show off but the Islamic Revolution csnt have that look like a defeat or surrender for themselves. Some sort of win win has to be worked out, but two sides don't generally "win" a war.

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Not saying you're wrong, but what would "saving face" for the IRGC actually look like right now? The most they can claim is a cockroach-like ability to survive, but everybody can see through that and nobody respects a cockroach

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If there isn't going to be a regime change, then we need to decimate their economy so that the Islamic goons running the place have no economic means to pursue their nuclear ambitions. Yes, I realize what that will do to world oil prices & economies but Iran can not have nuclear weapons. If the world won't help us out with this, then they can reap the consequences.

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The longer this Iran conflict goes on, the less and less influence Iran is going to be able to exert, and the more long term damage it will do to the Iranian economy going forward.

Just like when supply chains got modified and expanded during Covid, people and countries will figure out a way to get what they need. Venezuelan oil production is coming back at record levels, pipelines will get built, new routes will develop. Eventually, the market creates alternatives. It just takes time.

As much as Trump would like this to end, Iran has far more at risk long term by letting it continue.

LMCane said:

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well this sounds encouraging!

if you are a socalist / communist / islamist or member of the IRGC.

Iran’s Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei says in a written statement read out by a cleric that “the enemy is experiencing a meaningful and profound humiliation in the field and the streets, and it is now focused on trickery.”

“After Iran was able to repel the enemy, who was… pic.twitter.com/XIG75fb7fu

— Ariel Oseran أريئل أوسيران (@ariel_oseran) June 4, 2026

at this point one has to ask what information Trump is being shown because it sure seems like the F16 is better informed about what is REALLY going on than the White House.

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Saying the internet, F16 in particular, is better informed than the President is a WILD take.

Right...

IAEA Report shows IAEA estimates of Iran's enriched uranium stocks up to June 13th, 2025, are unchanged from previous reports. https://t.co/Z1K0tkvgqk

— FinancialJuice (@financialjuice) June 4, 2026

I think the problem seems to be that they will actually do that. Keep claiming victory and resisting. Unless you can cause an internal revolution and overthrow them, the Islamic Revolution will remain defiant. It is an element of local culture. They can't spend decades talking crap about fighting the Great Satan and then acknowledge defeat or submission. They're an apocalyptic cult and would rather go down in flames.

We could defeat them that way of course but it would take a true commitment of time and resources and military forces that our own population seems unwilling to do, and I think they know this. It is a battle of wills. The IRGC against the sentiments of the American public.

[Take the political discussion to a different thread. The earlier post on the House vote to restrict military action was relevant to this thread and we left it up. When you get into "Republicans vs. Democrats", political motives of "blaming Trump", voter opinions of the war, midterm election consequences, etc., those all belong on the political thread -- Staff]

agent-maroon said:

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If there isn't going to be a regime change, then we need to decimate their economy so that the Islamic goons running the place have no economic means to pursue their nuclear ambitions. Yes, I realize what that will do to world oil prices & economies but Iran can not have nuclear weapons. If the world won't help us out with this, then they can reap the consequences.

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You don't need to bomb them into oblivion if you just want to decimate the economy.

Aren't we accomplishing this with the blockade without bombing?

Ag_07 said:

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agent-maroon said:

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If there isn't going to be a regime change, then we need to decimate their economy so that the Islamic goons running the place have no economic means to pursue their nuclear ambitions. Yes, I realize what that will do to world oil prices & economies but Iran can not have nuclear weapons. If the world won't help us out with this, then they can reap the consequences.

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You don't need to bomb them into oblivion if you just want to decimate the economy.

Aren't we accomplishing this with the blockade without bombing?

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I didn't say anything about "bombing them into oblivion", but we should definitely do just that in the event that a blockade doesn't lead to the desired results and/or if political pressures force us to end the blockade. Personally fine with letting the blockade work until it doesn't.

ETA - should clarify my comments with the caveat that the IRGC must never regain the ability to pursue nuclear weapons, so the the only acceptable outcomes are regime change or long-lasting economic devastation. Agree with other posters that regime change is unlikely, so that pretty much means the "bombing into oblivion" to achieve the latter. The IRGC will never behave and thus must be eliminated. One way or the other...

Excellent article from Condi Rice and the quote below is one quite a few could read and heed.

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/what-the-u-s-has-accomplished-in-iran-60b21e52

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Strategic patience is hard, and it isn't always satisfying. But time is on the side of the U.S. and its allies. Reaching no deal is fine. Reaching a bad deal isn't.

This is a new day in the Middle East, though it isn't one without clouds. No American president has had a better chance to build a different and more stable region. It may just take a little more time.

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Ah yeah...I misread your post

From WSJ today:

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President Trump has told aides privately that he would consider ending the ceasefire with Iran if Tehran kills American troops, U.S. officials said, insisting that the weekslong pause in airstrikes remains intact despite a steady stream of violent skirmishes.

Trump adds that he is in no rush to complete the pact, saying in a New York Post interview published Wednesday it is unlikelyalthough still possiblethat the U.S. blockade could last until Labor Day.

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Note the softening shift in language here...."prefers".

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A White House official reiterated that Trump prefers to rid Iran of its nuclear program diplomatically but has been clear about his red lines.

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I think you are reading that wrong. He prefers diplomatic end to nuclear program over kinetics, but it's still a hard red line. Nothing about that has changed.

flown-the-coop said:

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I think you are reading that wrong. He prefers diplomatic end to nuclear program over kinetics, but it's still a hard red line. Nothing about that has changed.

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Yes, actually did read that wrong.

I will say you are hearing a softening in regards to this "ceasefire" period lasting longer. That definitely has seemed to change and would reflect a messaging if not actual strategy shift.