I'm the single owner, 3.5 Eco, Platinum with 90K miles. Love the truck so having it rebuilt at Gary's in Katy. Total cost is $6500 which I think seems fair, especially knowing his work and reputation. Just venting that Ford didn't put a recall in place for this drum issue. Both my dad and uncle have had theirs rebuilt on their 2018 as well. So, my family is batting 1.000 with this issue.

Hoping when I get it back in a week or so I'm back in business on a smooth ride. Driving back from Waco last weekend I was going 70 on HWY 6 and completely lost transmission power...came back...and then proceeded to shift from 10th to 5th and then immediately to 8th and then down to 4th. Scary.

Did you experience any harsh shifting or slipping in the last few months? I feel like my 2019 (107K) is on borrowed time.

I have a 2021 F250 with 110k that already had a new 10 speed put in it. Hard shifting started around 75k miles.

My 10 speed on my 2018 F150 3.0 had to have its transmission rebuilt at around 40k miles under warranty. Freaking had to take the cab off to get to it. Dumb design. Turbo went out a little bit later. Again under warranty. Now at 100k and no big issues since. (Knocks on wood)

Complete Idiot said:

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"finally"? It's only 8 years old and not even at 100K. Are these transmissions that failure prone yet Ford still did nothing?

I hope you get it back BETTER than new.

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Yep. Just google Ford 10 speed transmission and you'll see how widespread it's become. I believe there's a class action on this as well. My buddy at Ford said they manage to skirt the recall because the majority were breaking down after the dealer warranty - shouldn't be a reason to me, but I don't know the legal aspects. Essentially, Ford used a CDF drum that wasn't engineered to maneuver sequentially through the gears and eventually breaks down. They then reengineered an upgrade which is used now. Mine will be rebuilt with the new version.

pf2200 said:

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Did you experience any harsh shifting or slipping in the last few months? I feel like my 2019 (107K) is on borrowed time.

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Yes...at about 85K miles I noticed hard shifting in the lower gears. I took it in and Gary recommended to change out the fluids and see how much longer I can get out of it, recognizing it would eventually fail. This bought me roughly 15K miles and a bit of time to save up, lol. Over the past few thousand miles the harsh shifting went into the higher gears as well.

CDF Drum

Do the 2022s have this same issue?

Ugh, I picked up my 2022 in June of 2022.

Curious as to what the typical driving profile is of the transmissions that are failing.

50/50 Highway/City? More Highway or more city?

RightWingConspirator said:

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Ugh, I picked up my 2022 in June of 2022.

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Kinda like when I found out they fixed the Cam phaser issue in late 2019. I got a little excited and checked the build date of my 2019, freaking January...

frankm01 said:

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Curious as to what the typical driving profile is of the transmissions that are failing.

50/50 Highway/City? More Highway or more city?

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Mine has been 70/30 hwy to city. Only occasionally pull a flat bed trailer at the ranch and a boat here and there.

Did you ever check/change fluid?

21 expedition.
Changed trans fluid at 50k.
Hard 5-4 downshift started at ~70k miles.
Hard 9-8 downshift started at ~100k miles.
Slipping in 1st started at 108k miles.
Failure at 111k miles

Probably taking my 05 5.3 to Gary's for a built 4l60. Let us know how he treats you!

Our 2018 expedition was taken back by Ford and we had the 2022 built as a replacement. Ford AND Tommie Vaughn were great through the process. Took mobths for Ford to declare it a POS but once they did, negotiations were quick. The 10 speed was one of many issues (hvac repeatedly, phasers, suspension, brakes, etc.).

Now the 2022 has had the hvac worked on twice. Approaching 40k miles. Only thing keeping us in it is the GREAT Tommie Vaughn service that picks up/drops off and an 8 year bumper to bumper warranty.

It's frustrating, because where does one look (in hindsight?) Toyota, I guess.

I have a 2019 Silverado with 95k miles and was just told by Chevrolet that the hard shifting I'm experiencing is indicative of internal failure, and will cost $6900 to replace. There was a class action lawsuit against GM based on the failures of this trans that was certified in 23 or 24 but was de-certified (i.e. rejected as a class-action) a few months ago. I'm just going to limp it along until it gets worse to try and get as many miles out of it as I can. Fortunately I'm retired and don't have to take it on long drives/commutes anymore. Can switch vehicles with the wife when needed.

Too bad Toyota doesn't make a 3/4 ton truck. That'd be my next purchase for RV pulling... but Chevy and Ford just don't inspire confidence.

Dare anyone look at RAM?

TX AG 88 said:

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It's frustrating, because where does one look (in hindsight?) Toyota, I guess.

I have a 2019 Silverado with 95k miles and was just told by Chevrolet that the hard shifting I'm experiencing is indicative of internal failure, and will cost $6900 to replace. There was a class action lawsuit against GM based on the failures of this trans that was certified in 23 or 24 but was de-certified (i.e. rejected as a class-action) a few months ago. I'm just going to limp it along until it gets worse to try and get as many miles out of it as I can. Fortunately I'm retired and don't have to take it on long drives/commutes anymore. Can switch vehicles with the wife when needed.

Too bad Toyota doesn't make a 3/4 ton truck. That'd be my next purchase for RV pulling... but Chevy and Ford just don't inspire confidence.

Dare anyone look at RAM?

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Is this a half ton or Hd?
Internal failure is too vague.

What's your service history on this transmission?

TX AG 88 said:

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It's frustrating, because where does one look (in hindsight?) Toyota, I guess.

I have a 2019 Silverado with 95k miles and was just told by Chevrolet that the hard shifting I'm experiencing is indicative of internal failure, and will cost $6900 to replace. There was a class action lawsuit against GM based on the failures of this trans that was certified in 23 or 24 but was de-certified (i.e. rejected as a class-action) a few months ago. I'm just going to limp it along until it gets worse to try and get as many miles out of it as I can. Fortunately I'm retired and don't have to take it on long drives/commutes anymore. Can switch vehicles with the wife when needed.

Too bad Toyota doesn't make a 3/4 ton truck. That'd be my next purchase for RV pulling... but Chevy and Ford just don't inspire confidence.

Dare anyone look at RAM?

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I made the switch to a ram 2500 with the new ZF 8speed. In the rams I owned in years past the transmission was the worst part but I trust ZF and been seeing some very high mileage Ram with the Asin in hotshot world last few years. I bought the extended warranty(not from dealer) plan on keeping to end of that.

Half ton. 8L90

No issues until recently, with intermittent (and infrequent, so far) hard shifts

Had trans flushed/fluid changed at ~90k oil change (by dealer). That's when the hard shifts started ramping up. Took it back to make sure it was adequately filled. They kept it Thurs-Mon and finally said there was metal in the fluid indicating internal failure.

TX AG 88 said:

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Half ton. 8L90

No issues until recently, with intermittent (and infrequent, so far) hard shifts

Had trans flushed/fluid changed at ~90k oil change (by dealer). That's when the hard shifts started ramping up. Took it back to make sure it was adequately filled. They kept it Thurs-Mon and finally said there was metal in the fluid indicating internal failure.

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Never flush

So never change fluid, or just change without any flush? It's a sealed transmission, right? Who all has the capability to change the fluid who won't want to flush, like the dealer will?

Maverick06 said:

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I have a 2021 F250 with 110k that already had a new 10 speed put in it. Hard shifting started around 75k miles.

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And this is why we sold my wife's at 90k miles.

1agswitchin4lanes said:

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Did you ever check/change fluid?

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The thing is you shouldn't have to practically own a garage to deal with the transmission fluid in these things just to HOPE to keep a known issue from failing.

having a fluid extractor / air compressor is not a whole garage

TX AG 88 said:

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So never change fluid, or just change without any flush? It's a sealed transmission, right? Who all has the capability to change the fluid who won't want to flush, like the dealer will?

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It's not sealed. You can drain and fill it.

You can also drop the pan and change the filter.

My '21 expedition transmission **** the bed at 50k. Fortunately covered under warranty.

I did a full fluid change on my Tacoma four years ago. Honestly made a bigger difference than I expected. It was like driving a new truck.