I don't think LSU is doing themselves any favors here as far as hiring a replacement. This kind of stuff puts them at the bottom of my list as far as HC jobs if I'm looking right now.



Now.... how close are we to flipping Lamar Brown?!

Flack said:

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Lolpoor State University

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Loophole State University

Whatsit2ya said:

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LSU is shady AF. There was also a contract dispute with the firing of Les Miles if memory serves me right.

Shady business. Tectards did the same thing Pirate.

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While I encourage all of the bagging on swamp tigger, because it is well deserved, fact of the matter is that there is almost always contract disputes when coaches are fired before their contract time expires.

The coaches want their $$, the schools always try to find ways to reduce the amount they will have to owe. Nature of the beast.

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LSU will need to fire their new HC due to his poor decision making in accepting the LSU job after knowing how LSU is trying to pull this contract BS with former coach Brian Kelly.

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"You're fired for cause."
"What? Why?"
"You accepted this job despite knowing how we run things. You're clearly a person of low morals and lower intelligence. Fired for cause."

One thing is for certain, if Kiffen was considering LSU, he is firmly in the HELL NO category now.

LSU deserves this embarrassment.

Or dry humping recruits

Seems like a pretty easy case for Kelley's lawyers.

Mega Lops said:

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LSU deserves this embarrassment.

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Yes. Speculation is Kelly will have to either settle, or have this tied up with the Louisiana state legislature for an indefinite period of time. (Like getting blood out of a stone)

If LSU thinks this is good PR for the program and the recruitment of future coaches…they are sadly mistaken.

The (financial) chickens have come home to roost, and A&M (and other financially sound schools and states such as tu) are on the winning end of this deal.

Patience…our time is coming…soon

Normally, I would say LSU doesn't have a leg to stand on, but after doing decades of business in Loseiana anything is possible in swampland.

After listening to that Moscona report, Kelly did not file suit against LSU but rather the state of Louisiana. So a sovereign immunity argument likely comes into play. But there apparently is a procedure wherein the LA state legislature can vote to approve the payment of any verdict amount Kelly would win...or...and here's the rub, NOT pay him ever.

Moscona says there are already 300 million worth of verdicts against the state that the legislature are ignoring.

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BMX Bandit said:

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Just read the article. It's 100 times more useful than AI garbage summary.

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Easy killer... There was no article when I posted it. Google search did not even produce the espn article so it must be fresh out the box. I figured AI was gonna be better than Tiger Droppings..

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The article was posted last night on ESPN

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Then Google sucks. Not sure why you turds are so worked up about an AI summary but you do you. It wasnt linked when I posted the summary. Maybe stay off the forums and stick to ESPN if you are a purist.

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This **** cracks me up! I was thinking the same thing. Dayum fellas. Simmer down.

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According to Tiger droppings Woodard did not have the authority to fire Kelly, so technically he was still coach and abandoned his post, allowing them to now fire him for cause.

Guess this means any potential lead has turned them down and they realize just how reactionary their decision was after we slaughtered them in BR.

This further proves my case from my post yesterday about how the 3rd quarter of the Aggie/LSU game forever changed the trajectory of their program.

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Surely, LSU's high powered lawyers aren't going to make that ludicrous of an argument. No way.

They'd only make that argument if they want to have to immediately pay the 54 million, plus damages, for being idiots.

The case to settle really swings upon if BK wants to coach again. If he settles, he can get the money up front and get the mitigated damages clause waived. If he is ready to retire- he has much less incentive to settle, unless LSU can get close to paying the 54 million up front... And at that point, LSU would likely rather just make payments, anyway.

They'd have been better off the last few years just keep Orgeron!

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Whatsit2ya said:

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LSU is shady AF. There was also a contract dispute with the firing of Les Miles if memory serves me right.

Shady business. Tectards did the same thing Pirate.

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While I encourage all of the bagging on swamp tigger, because it is well deserved, fact of the matter is that there is almost always contract disputes when coaches are fired before their contract time expires.

The coaches want their $$, the schools always try to find ways to reduce the amount they will have to owe. Nature of the beast.

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Did A&M dispute it and try to get out of paying Jimbo?

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Moscona says there are already 300 million worth of verdicts against the state that the legislature are ignoring.

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So why would anyone want to do business with them?

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Surely there is zero chance something that ridiculous would hold up? How the hell would Kelly know his boss "didn't technically have the authority" to fire him? That's absurd

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Even the ****ing governor said he was fired. I can't imagine a judge siding with LSU on this. Their agent and his boss fired him. They didn't do anything to correct that before now, as they're looking to get out of the buyout by during him for cause. The time for, "Oh, you're not actually fired," came and went a long time ago.

They're ****ed.

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This is shaping up to be maybe Kelly wins the legal battle but loses the money war for the full amount.

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schmellba99 said:

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Whatsit2ya said:

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LSU is shady AF. There was also a contract dispute with the firing of Les Miles if memory serves me right.

Shady business. Tectards did the same thing Pirate.

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While I encourage all of the bagging on swamp tigger, because it is well deserved, fact of the matter is that there is almost always contract disputes when coaches are fired before their contract time expires.

The coaches want their $$, the schools always try to find ways to reduce the amount they will have to owe. Nature of the beast.

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Did A&M dispute it and try to get out of paying Jimbo?

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No, but we did when we fired Fran.

The secret newsletter screwed Fran into having to settle for less - because A&M could hypothetically fire him for cause. Even though we all know he was really fired for losing and being an ahole (like BK), not a silly newsletter.

I would love to see Kelly counter sue based on loss of reputation. Damages could easily include the additional money he could make as head coach of another school after the buyout time os settled.

That could keep this black eye cycling at least until after NSD.

"It also details that LSU attempted to settle with Kelly multiple times, including an e-mail that details offers from LSU to settle with Kelly for $25 million and then later $30 million. The e-mail, which is part of the filing, says the $30 million offer would have come in two installments and included the elimination of mitigation and offset provisions. Kelly did not agree to either."

He may wish he'd taken the $30mil after this is over.

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"It also details that LSU attempted to settle with Kelly multiple times, including an e-mail that details offers from LSU to settle with Kelly for $25 million and then later $30 million. The e-mail, which is part of the filing, says the $30 million offer would have come in two installments and included the elimination of mitigation and offset provisions. Kelly did not agree to either."

He may wish he'd taken the $30mil after this is over.

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I think LSU is doing all of this to get him to take the $30 million and walk away. Neither of them want this to actually go to court.

HoustonAg2106 said:

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For those who want to get caught up without reading.

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Doesn't the fact that LSU offered a settlement is an admission that LSU fired him?

Listening to SiriusXM, they discussed the "just cause".

LSU is claiming that Woodward told Kelly that he needed to let go of some assistant coaches. And Woodward named some. Kelly said, "I might also let go of some of your favorites too".

LSU is run by morons. What are they hoping to save? $5 million? They know they're going to pay all or nearly all of the $54 million buyout. But they're causing $25 million worth of damage.

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HoustonAg2106 said:

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For those who want to get caught up without reading.

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Doesn't the fact that LSU offered a settlement is an admission that LSU fired him?

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It's a technicality, they are saying it wasn't official until the board rubber stamped the approval. Technically he was still on the payroll until yesterday when they made it official

I'm not a lawyer but potential issues with firing him with cause seem to be.

LSU only pursued firing with cause after negotiations for a reduced buyout failed

The governor came out and shouted from the rooftop that Woodward signed a bad contract and that it was Woodward's fault and that the Louisiana taxpayers could be on the hook.

All the people who would be responsible for managing the firing were in the process of being replaced for political reasons by the governor. (President, Board Members and AD).

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lsu is grasping at straws and is going to owe him the full amount (less any mitigated wages). If I am Kelly I take a D3 or HS job and just cash those lsu checks and laugh at them.

What a clown show. lsu is making themselves look like foolish petulant children, in addition to clowns.

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And it's going to cost them during a coaching search. I had originally dismissed the idea that they would rehire Orgeron but now? He might be the only coach of any value (he can recruit) they can get to sign on the dotted line. Even with all of the baggage Coach O has. Assign him a babysitter to keep him away from the co-eds, give him a driver to avoid any DWIs, if you have to.

Other programs have done that from time to time. Eddie Sutton, for instance. He had a chauffeur for years.

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Those are not negatives in Louisiana.

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It's a technicality, they are saying it wasn't official until the board rubber stamped the approval. Technically he was still on the payroll until yesterday when they made it official

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And whether still paying him and assigning him "other duties" translates into not being terminated, will come down to the verbiage in the contract. IIRC, Kelly is not a Sexton client. Sexton has the contract language down pat and ironclad.

So I guess there might be a small amount of wiggle room there?

This is bush league by LSU, but really just par for the course with them.

Obviously I haven't read the contract, but there is no way LSU has a leg to stand on here. I assume all mediations and judgements would be under LA jurisdiction, spelled out in the contract, but I am not sure. LSU is definitely going to need to find a judge who is an alum, hates Brian Kelly and doesn't care about contract law - might be relatively easy.

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This is bush league by LSU, but really just par for the course with them.

Obviously I haven't read the contract, but there is no way LSU has a leg to stand on here. I assume all mediations and judgements would be under LA jurisdiction, spelled out in the contract, but I am not sure. LSU is definitely going to need to find a judge who is an alum, hates Brian Kelly and doesn't care about contract law - might be relatively easy.

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All of this is just to get BK to settle for less, they don't actually want to go to court

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"It also details that LSU attempted to settle with Kelly multiple times, including an e-mail that details offers from LSU to settle with Kelly for $25 million and then later $30 million. The e-mail, which is part of the filing, says the $30 million offer would have come in two installments and included the elimination of mitigation and offset provisions. Kelly did not agree to either."

He may wish he'd taken the $30mil after this is over.

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I think LSU is doing all of this to get him to take the $30 million and walk away. Neither of them want this to actually go to court.

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If I am BK I have no problem taking this to court. It's worth millions to me to do so, and I don't really have anything better to do at the moment.