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LSU is shady AF. There was also a contract dispute with the firing of Les Miles if memory serves me right.

Shady business. Tectards did the same thing Pirate.

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While I encourage all of the bagging on swamp tigger, because it is well deserved, fact of the matter is that there is almost always contract disputes when coaches are fired before their contract time expires.

The coaches want their $$, the schools always try to find ways to reduce the amount they will have to owe. Nature of the beast.

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Did A&M dispute it and try to get out of paying Jimbo?

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I guarantee you there were at least discussions had amongst counsel, along with probably a fair amount of internal discussions had on looking for loopholes.

I mean, we are dumb when it comes to throwing contracts out, but we can't be dumb enough to just shrug our shoulders and "aww shucks" our way out the door.

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BMX Bandit said:

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cool. no one is claiming the situation is the same as tech or tennessee. kelly is in a much better spot than either of those coaches.

but at this point we don't even know what the (alleged) for cause is. It is just some lawyer saying "Someone" at LSU told them that.

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Moscano said that BK and his wife filed for divorce shortly after he came on board. They later "reconciled" and withdrew the petition, and I think the pleadings were sealed at that time. So maybe it could be related to that? Granted that was a few years ago but if the records were sealed and LSU was not told by BK what was truly going on? That's still weak sauce but not as week as the poor treatment of a player with cancer that was public knowledge over two years ago.

Pure speculation at this point.

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Moscona also said that it could be tied to his handling of a player named Greg Brooks who was diagnosed with cancer in 2023

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Surely there is a statute of limitations here. They should have fired him 2 years ago if his handling was a material breach of contract. LSU clearly didn't care or view it as such then.

The State Of Louisiana is broke. This ain't surprised. Can't even put asphalt on their highways.

there is not a '"statute of limitations" per se. they can wait as long as they want to fire him after the "for cause" reason.

however, kelly would have a good argument that the stated "for cause" reason was pretextual for firing him for performance.

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BMX Bandit said:

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cool. no one is claiming the situation is the same as tech or tennessee. kelly is in a much better spot than either of those coaches.

but at this point we don't even know what the (alleged) for cause is. It is just some lawyer saying "Someone" at LSU told them that.

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Moscano said that BK and his wife filed for divorce shortly after he came on board. They later "reconciled" and withdrew the petition, and I think the pleadings were sealed at that time. So maybe it could be related to that? Granted that was a few years ago but if the records were sealed and LSU was not told by BK what was truly going on? That's still weak sauce but not as week as the poor treatment of a player with cancer that was public knowledge over two years ago.

Pure speculation at this point.

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Moscona also said that it could be tied to his handling of a player named Greg Brooks who was diagnosed with cancer in 2023

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Surely there is a statute of limitations here. They should have fired him 2 years ago if his handling was a material breach of contract. LSU clearly didn't care or view it as such then.

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I'm not saying I buy it, heck even LSU people don't buy it…but they have to come up with something and I guess this is it

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cool. no one is claiming the situation is the same as tech or tennessee. kelly is in a much better spot than either of those coaches.

but at this point we don't even know what the (alleged) for cause is. It is just some lawyer saying "Someone" at LSU told them that.

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Well this and the Louisiana governor basically cut themselves off at the knees already with his famous press conference that blamed the AD and did not mention cause once and then only after the buyout negotiations broke down.

Can someone explain how the Lousyanna legislature controls whether or not the LSU Athletic Department pays out on their contract with their former football coach?
Certainly, not all, and probalbly only a small fraction of his compensation was from the state.

That part just doesn't make sense to me.

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The coach's litigation guru has weighed in.

Tom Mars has represented a handful of coaches against schools trying to wriggle out of the guaranteed money they are contractually obligated to pay. His analysis on LSU’s actions here: https://t.co/R6VQEcFj0A

— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) November 11, 2025

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Yup. You can't wiggle out of this kind of contract. LSU has no one to blame, but themselves and their legal team who drafted/accepted/red-lined the deal. They need to own it.

" This further proves my case from my post yesterday about how the 3rd quarter of the Aggie/LSU game forever changed the trajectory of their program."


Most devastating loss for a team I have seen in many decades of watching ball.

This was a total decapitation of their football program and they are handling the situation terribly. And very unfortunately for them we go back to Baton Rouge again next year.

On another fansite that supports LSU...I read some posts where people are saying their governor is responsible for this latest legal issue. This quote from someone describing Landry made me laugh:

"He wants to be like Trump SO BAD that he's actually the opposite of Trump and he looks like a ******ed possum backed into a hallowed out tree trunk. He's going to keep acting this way until LSU is destroyed."

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Can someone explain how the Lousyanna legislature controls whether or not the LSU Athletic Department pays out on their contract with their former football coach?
Certainly, not all, and probalbly only a small fraction of his compensation was from the state.

That part just doesn't make sense to me.

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Two things about Louisiana politics.

Politicians know how important LSU sports is to the entire state, meaning the voters.

Their politicians are never above threatening to gut LSU football just to get their way over budget disputes and the like. The actual reality rarely is discussed. That goes for coaches' compensation, too.

There is a Tiger Association Foundation similar to our 12th Man Foundation but their Big Cigars don't have nearly the number of billionaires we do. And those people are tired of supporting the program with endless donations and nothing to show for it.

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BMX Bandit said:

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cool. no one is claiming the situation is the same as tech or tennessee. kelly is in a much better spot than either of those coaches.

but at this point we don't even know what the (alleged) for cause is. It is just some lawyer saying "Someone" at LSU told them that.

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Moscano said that BK and his wife filed for divorce shortly after he came on board. They later "reconciled" and withdrew the petition, and I think the pleadings were sealed at that time. So maybe it could be related to that? Granted that was a few years ago but if the records were sealed and LSU was not told by BK what was truly going on? That's still weak sauce but not as week as the poor treatment of a player with cancer that was public knowledge over two years ago.

Pure speculation at this point.

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Moscona also said that it could be tied to his handling of a player named Greg Brooks who was diagnosed with cancer in 2023

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Surely there is a statute of limitations here. They should have fired him 2 years ago if his handling was a material breach of contract. LSU clearly didn't care or view it as such then.

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Agreed.
But sure, that deal from 2023 really was why LSU fired Kelly in a child's fit after losing to the Ags at home in humiliating fashion. They went from puffing out chests to stomping on Kelly's at lightning speed.

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Can someone explain how the Lousyanna legislature controls whether or not the LSU Athletic Department pays out on their contract with their former football coach?
Certainly, not all, and probalbly only a small fraction of his compensation was from the state.

That part just doesn't make sense to me.

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The governor claimed in his infamous press conference that taxpayers could be liable which has been proven incorrect. Buyouts will come through fundraising and private donations not taxpayers.

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Emilio Fantastico said:

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Can someone explain how the Lousyanna legislature controls whether or not the LSU Athletic Department pays out on their contract with their former football coach?
Certainly, not all, and probalbly only a small fraction of his compensation was from the state.

That part just doesn't make sense to me.

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Two things about Louisiana politics.

Politicians know how important LSU sports is to the entire state, meaning the voters.

Their politicians are never above threatening to gut LSU football just to get their way over budget disputes and the like. The actual reality rarely is discussed. That goes for coaches' compensation, too.

There is a Tiger Association Foundation similar to our 12th Man Foundation but their Big Cigars don't have nearly the number of billionaires we do. And those people are tired of supporting the program with endless donations and nothing to show for it.

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A billion dollars is a lot of money. You don't need a lot of them. One sufficiently motivated billionaire could solve this problem.

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A billion dollars is a lot of money. You don't need a lot of them. One sufficiently motivated billionaire could solve this problem.

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Not if they don't want to. When the Big Cigars lose faith in the AD, the school Prez and the Board of Supervisors to make the next hire? I think that is a large part of what is going on here.

We saw much the same thing on the 40 acres when the Big Cigars wanted Dodds to fire Mack Brown. A lot of it was behind the scenes, at first. But in short succession, Brown, Dodds and President Powers were out on their azzes. Dodds initially did not want to fire Brown. Powers initially didn't want to fire Dodds.

PFFTH! They were gone like a fart in a dust storm. As I have said before, college football is a business. Keep emotion out of it but have to walk that fine line of keeping your investors appeased enough, even if grudgingly.

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After listening to that Moscona report, Kelly did not file suit against LSU but rather the state of Louisiana. So a sovereign immunity argument likely comes into play. But there apparently is a procedure wherein the LA state legislature can vote to approve the payment of any verdict amount Kelly would win...or...and here's the rub, NOT pay him ever.

Moscona says there are already 300 million worth of verdicts against the state that the legislature are ignoring.

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WOW

Kind of OT but if LSU's position is they haven't truly terminated Kelly until yesterday, has there been any actions towards a coaching search? Could there be such efforts without violating LA law or the terms of Kelly's contract? Or both?

Did LSU's lawyers create another headache for themselves?

FWIW, twitter has reports a plane from LSU is in Lubbock? Take that with a grain of salt, BTW.

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aggiehawg said:

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After listening to that Moscona report, Kelly did not file suit against LSU but rather the state of Louisiana. So a sovereign immunity argument likely comes into play. But there apparently is a procedure wherein the LA state legislature can vote to approve the payment of any verdict amount Kelly would win...or...and here's the rub, NOT pay him ever.

Moscona says there are already 300 million worth of verdicts against the state that the legislature are ignoring.

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WOW

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Yep….loser should have taken the $30 million.
this is going to be in courts for decades.

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Emilio Fantastico said:

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Can someone explain how the Lousyanna legislature controls whether or not the LSU Athletic Department pays out on their contract with their former football coach?
Certainly, not all, and probalbly only a small fraction of his compensation was from the state.

That part just doesn't make sense to me.

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The governor claimed in his infamous press conference that taxpayers could be liable which has been proven incorrect. Buyouts will come through fundraising and private donations not taxpayers.

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it was not "proven incorrect"

if they don't get the money through fundraising and private donations, then taxpayers could be liable.

full lawsuit here:

https://www.on3.com/news/brian-kelly-files-suit-against-lsu-amid-54-million-buyout-dispute-full-details/

Two interesting sections of Brian Kelly's lawsuit vs. LSU

+ The first provides a glimpse into who attended the meeting when Brian Kelly was fired
+ The second outlines that LSU reps have allegedly said that Scott Woodward was not acting with authority when Kelly was fired.… https://t.co/AdYM5vJ9jo pic.twitter.com/3zcCihr06d

— Pete Nakos (@PeteNakos) November 11, 2025

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if they don't get the money through fundraising and private donations, then taxpayers could be liable.

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Well yes and no since we now know the state lege would have to approve that expenditure, no?

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" This further proves my case from my post yesterday about how the 3rd quarter of the Aggie/LSU game forever changed the trajectory of their program."

Most devastating loss for a team I have seen in many decades of watching ball.

This was a total decapitation of their football program and they are handling the situation terribly. And very unfortunately for them we go back to Baton Rouge again next year.

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So glad we could assist in this matter.

BK apparently got some badass lawyers. LSU better settle up fast.

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BK apparently got some badass lawyers. LSU better settle up fast.

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Agree but here's the problem I have looking from outside. Who is really in control there? The new Interim err now not interim AD and the new President? Board of Supervisors? The Governor? The Big Cigars?

One thing is sure, LSU's lawyers ain't driving this bus.

attorney general's office will most likely step in

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Maroon Flash said:

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" This further proves my case from my post yesterday about how the 3rd quarter of the Aggie/LSU game forever changed the trajectory of their program."

Most devastating loss for a team I have seen in many decades of watching ball.

This was a total decapitation of their football program and they are handling the situation terribly. And very unfortunately for them we go back to Baton Rouge again next year.

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So glad we could assist in this matter.

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At this point their program is a smoking ruin, and it's pretty much our fault.

No
How someone reacts is all on them.

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attorney general's office will most likely step in

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Because the Board of Supervisors has asked them to do so? Thought I heard something about that on Finebaum but wasn't paying that close of attention..

So if Scott Woodward didn't have the authority to fire him, who did/does?

Are they claiming Woodward needed approval from Board of Supervisors or Interim President?

Nice writeup by USA Today today.

Only a band of idiots could screw up LSU football. Introducing the buffoons on the bayou
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2025/11/11/brian-kelly-lawsuit-new-twist-in-lsu-football-drama-coaching-candidates-governor-who-is-hiring/87195576007/

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LSU is considered a crown jewel job within the college football ecosystem. Coaches who ply their craft elsewhere look at LSU with envy. Ed Orgeron won a national championship there. Les Miles won one and nearly two. Enough said.

The job's so good, it would take a band of idiots to screw up a coaching search so badly as to make LSU unattractive.

Well, strike up the band!

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I could have sworn LSU publicly announced Kelly's firing Oct. 26. That announcement included language LSU had separated with Kelly, "effective immediately."

A few days later, Gov. Jeff Landry made a big to-do in a news conference about LSU being on the hook for Kelly's whopper buyout.

"The spirit of the team needed a change, and so that change was made," Landry said Oct. 29. "… Right now, we got a $53 million liability."

That's straight from the circus ringleader's mouth.

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Couple of posts above mentioned fired AD Woodward. He also had a buyout, did he not? $6.5 million according to google. Any word on if lsu is going to honor the terms of his buyout? Tin foil hat has me thinking that they try to tie his buyout with the same BS unless he admits in court that he didn't have the authority to fire BK in an effort to make lsu's claims seem somewhat plausible. Thoughts?