***Official 2024 - 2025 Dallas Mavericks Season Thread***

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In reply to Kellso • 5:06p, 7/1/25
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Kellso said:
DannyDuberstein said:
They pivoted to being an old ballclub. The defensive centerpiece is a guy who will be lucky to play half their games from here on out. And speaking of centerpiece, he doesn't want to play center
If your whole argument is that Anthony Davis sucks and will only play 40 games a season....then I don't know what to tell you. Anthony Davis is already the best defensive player the Mavericks have ever had in Franchise history.

As disastrous as last season was....the AD haters (like yourself) will never want to admit that the Mavs were 7-3 in the first 10 games that AD played....and this was with no Kyrie and injuries to almost every other starting player.

God works in mysterious ways.

Cooper Flagg will be everything that Luka wasn't:
- He will play elite level defense. He won't be whining. He will be in shape. He will not run out of gas in the 4th quarter of games.
Will he be able to score like Luka? Probably not. But that is not Coopers game.

His game reminds me of Anthony Davis or Kawaii Leonard. I don't expect Flagg to become an elite scorer until his 3rd or 4th year.
I'm not sure if Cooper will help all that much on the offensive side of the ball in his rookie year. He will impact the defensive side of the ball immediately.

Cooper Flagg will not make us forget Luka….but he will be the Jason Terry to Steve Nash.
There are still plenty of Steve Nash fans here in Dallas (I'm one of them) but Jason Terry is the one that became the legend in Dallas.

Terry helped lead the Mavs to their first two Western Conference Championships in 2006 and 2011. Steve Nash made the Hall of Fame (as will Luka) but he never made the Finals.

The Mavericks are going to be better under AD, Kyrie and Flagg than they ever were under Luka.
Alright **** for brains, you want attention, you got it.
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If your whole argument is that Anthony Davis sucks and will only play 40 games a season....then I don't know what to tell you. Anthony Davis is already the best defensive player the Mavericks have ever had in Franchise history.
You literally bemoaned Luka for not playing 70+ games/year and now you're goal tending for AD's on court availability? Luka Doncic was already the best offensive player the Mavericks have ever had in franchise history.
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As disastrous as last season was....the AD haters (like yourself) will never want to admit that the Mavs were 7-3 in the first 10 games that AD played....and this was with no Kyrie and injuries to almost every other starting player.
This is both wrong and disingenuous...AD played 2.5 qtrs, got hurt, and then was out the next 18 games. The Mavs record WITH AD on the court was 6 - 3 but they played 20 games without him. [Btw their 6 wins with AD were Houston, Brooklyn, Orlando, Chicago, Atlanta, & Toronto]. The Rockets were the only team they beat that was worth a damn.

Conversely, the Mavs played a total of 14 games with Luka, Kyrie, Klay, PJ & Lively...in those 14 games, the Mavs had a 12-2 record with the 5th best Net Rating in the NBA (ahead of OKC).


And that wasn't a fluke. Last year, post trade deadline (with the addition of PJ & Gafford), the Mavs had the 6th best Def Rating in the league while also sustaining a top 5 Off Rating in the league.

The Mavs were factually a better team with Luka than without him AND if you think that's just a fluke...go see what happened with the Lakers after they got Luka! The Mavs and Lakers had an inverse trajectory post trade deadline. THATS WEIRD HUH?
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God works in mysterious ways.

he Mavericks are going to be better under AD, Kyrie and Flagg than they ever were under Luka.
As does your worm riddled mind. Nico Harrison took a team that was constructed to accentuate Luka's strengths and mitigate his weaknesses that had literally just made the NBA finals and turned them into a lottery team. There was as 98.2% chance they would have been selecting at pick 11 in this year's draft. Imagine the scenario where we trade Luka and Grimes and still get the 11th pick...that's the disaster Nico TRIED to steer us into. But through sheer force of luck, the Mavs land Cooper Flagg. NICO DOESNT GET CREDIT FOR THAT. Winning the lottery wasn't the plan or the ****ing vision. It was random ****ing luck.
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In reply to hph6203 • 5:24p, 7/1/25
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You realize this hypothetical already happens in free agency, right? Bigger market cities are usually draws for top players for reasons besides even competing for championships. Yet people still attend games in the smaller markets, anyway, whether the teams are contenders or not. So thanks again for attempting to define "foundational" for me. We can just agree to disagree on what's more important, though.

I have not been referring to gut feelings, but making references to events that actually occurred, and drawing connections to them because they involve the same people. I've also been making assumptions about thought processes based on how one would expect a rational person to act in particular situations. You may disagree with whether those assumptions are justified or not, but I haven't exactly been taking shots in the dark.

Like I said, believe as you wish. Just wish people like you could defend their position without stooping to painting those who disagree with them as unreasonable. This is just about sports, anyway.
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In reply to DANManman • 6:56p, 7/1/25
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Surely you understand the difference between a player choosing not to live in Indiana and a player being plucked by the league from Indiana so the league can make more money, right? People in Indiana know they're in Indiana. They know it's not LA, New York, Chicago, Miami, but the league saying:

"You're not a big city, your only path to a franchise player is basically to draft them yourselves and quickly build a playoff team around them, and even if you do manage to do that we might decide it's better for the league's profits to move him to a larger market so we can make money."

That's a different kind of eff you than your winters suck and you don't have any beaches or *****es.


If the league wanted your version of reality where star players are perpetually in LA, NY, and Miami they wouldn't have the luxury tax. They would just say it's important that big markets can spend big money so that big markets have big time players and avoid the underhandedness of secretly orchestrating trades. Go look at what's happening to Boston right now.
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In reply to M.C. Swag • 6:57p, 7/1/25
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You forgot that fortune favors the bold. You make your own luck.
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In reply to hph6203 • 7:10p, 7/1/25
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I'm really not interested in making the argument for my claim anymore. I just took exception to painting skeptics like they're fringe loons, or something. We have plenty of examples of companies (especially ones advertising quality as a selling point) doing underhanded things for profit. I don't understand how suspecting another instance of that is living in an "alternate reality."

But, it's been fun. I'm done.
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In reply to DANManman • 8:29p, 7/1/25
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I'm not making it sound like you're loons. You're doing that all on your own. All I've done is say what you believe is illogical. You're free to say what I believe is illogical. It won't hurt my feelings.

The league has a signed deal with NBC, ESPN/ABC and Amazon to broadcast games that doubled their payouts that starts next year. It was signed last summer. Trade has no impact on that, it accounts for >40% of league revenue. 25% comes from ticket sales, one player on one team isn't moving that needle. Merchandise makes up 10%, again, minimal impact. Rest are sponsorships/local broadcast rights.

Revenue since 2019 is compounding at >7% per year. The Celtics just sold for $6 billion, which is 3x as much as what Ballmer paid for the Clippers 11 years ago and at the time of that purchase it was considered a wild overpay. That's a 10.7% YoY return with what most people say is very little downside risk. Pretty sweet deal the league is providing to rich guys.

Los Angeles already has LeBron. If they were trying to juice markets they would've forced a star to Miami to get Butler out of there. Dallas is the 4th largest market in the league and Milwaukee has a disgruntled star just begging to escape and you think the league said "Let's throw a grenade in Dallas like has never been seen in sports before." And then expect all the people that know it's manufactured, the league, Ernst and Young, the lottery administrators, tab executives to keep it under wraps.
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In reply to hph6203 • 9:32p, 7/1/25
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Bro, when you tell people they sound like loons, after they tell you why they're not, they have no reason to listen what you have to say, either. If you believe the other person you're discussing with is unreasonable, there's no reason to state your case. You're trying to discuss with someone who isn't thinking logically, after all. HTH
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8:42a, 7/2/25
Anybody still on the "not another dime" and "never again" train with the Mavericks franchise? I'm honestly not sure. I don't like rooting against or trying to be indifferent about a franchise I've followed with varying interest since Aguirre. The thought of this franchise seeing great success over the next 2-3 years with Nico getting credit makes me nauseous.
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In reply to South Platte • 8:58a, 7/2/25
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Dont want to clog this forum with duplicative Mavs threads, so feel free to port this over to the '25-'26 season thread!

https://texags.com/forums/52/topics/3547945
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In reply to DANManman • 9:47a, 7/2/25
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"You can't reason a person out of a position they didn't reason themselves into."

Gotta use other strategies.
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In reply to hph6203 • 12:28p, 7/2/25
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Insulting the person you're arguing with is not a viable strategy. It's just not. Whether you believe you're right or not, at best, you make the other person defensive (and unwilling to concede); at worst it comes off like you don't believe what you're claiming (or at least don't believe in your ability to defend your claim), and are trying to keep the other person from pressing you by using ad hominem attacks. Either way, if you wanted a productive discussion (and not simply to flame or troll), you went about it the wrong way.

I'm sure people are sick of this thread being updated for things that aren't even directly about the team anymore. If you've got a reply, go ahead, but I'm not saying anything else after this post.

Take care. God bless. Let's go, Mavs.
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12:40p, 7/2/25
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Obviously it's impossible to prove that the lottery is rigged, but it's also silly to not smell a rat.

It looks like the league incentivized the purchase of the pelicans with a value-add of AD. AD is traded to the Lakers and the pelicans then get Zion. Luka goes to LAL and the Mavs get Flagg. The Knicks getting Ewing, the Bulls jumping from 10 to get D Rose, and the Cavs getting LeBron. A lot of very happy coincidences.

It's fun to talk about and speculate. Weird for the anti-conspiracy nuts (who are just as nutty as the people who believe every conspiracy) to get so worked up about this.
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In reply to shack009 • 1:34p, 7/2/25
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It's almost like big market teams are desirable landing spots for disgruntled players that request trades, because big market teams can reliably expect that the big time players don't get disgruntled again, because at least if the team sucks they're not in a small market like Milwaukee and the small market team isn't stuck stretch waiving over $100 million in contracts when it doesn't work out. And given that those teams have lost their star player they often go from bad to terrible and position themselves well for the #1 overall pick.

Very weird how the league just totally forgot that the team in their largest market existed. Two winning seasons in 20 years. 4 trips to the playoffs. Never once moved up in the draft. Confounding that a league with so much control and willingness to direct eyes to their larger markets didn't move players or assist the largest market in the league at all. Biggest acquisition in 20 years was a guy that was born in New York, played college in New York, had a wife that desperately wanted to get back to New York, demanded a trade and said the only place he would sign with was New York.


Guess it's just a coincidence that a coincidence didn't happen for New York. Very weird that the NBA signed 3 national TV broadcasting contracts in those 20 years and never once decided it was time for New York to be good again, and instead waited until after signing a new TV contract to force Luka to LA so that their ratings were better.

Guess it was a strategy to make the New Jersey/Brooklyn Nets to get some time where they weren't overshadowed by the Knicks and they were allowed to be really, really good and increase their brand.


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2:41p, 7/2/25
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I'll add that in some instances the basis for the justification of your conspiracies are money (Luka, Rose) in others its to facilitate the sale of a team at the expense of long term league money (AD to NO), in others its for sentimentality at the expense of league money (Lebron to Cavs), in others its to make up for a star leaving at the expense of league money (Zion to NO). There's no consistent theory of why the league makes moves.

The league would have no trouble selling the Pelicans at an appropriate price, they reportedly made $20 million in the offing ($318 purchase from Shinn, $338 million sale to Benson). A professional sports team in North America is one of the rarest things to own in the world. They don't need AD to get a deal done. In the '11 draft the conspiracies would be:

Charlotte to assist Jordan
Washington to make the capital city team interesting
Cleveland to pay back for Lebron leaving
New Orleans to help sell the team
Brooklyn because they want a good team in New York

That's fully 80% of the time AD getting sent somewhere ends with a viable conspiracy basis.

In the 2008 draft you have

Miami, because Miami
Seattle, because they're moving to OKC
Minnesota, to make up for KG leaving
Memphis, to make up for Pau leaving
New York, because New York
Clippers, because LA
Charlotte, because of Jordan
Chicago, because Chicago

Again 93% of the time you have a basis for conspiracy of why something happened.

2019 Draft you have
New York, because New York
Cleveland, because Lebron left
Bulls, because Chicago
Washington, because Washington
New Orleans, because AD left
Lakers, because LA

Again, 60% chance of a conspiracy theory.
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2:44p, 7/2/25
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Nobody cares more about conspiracies than the anti-conspiracy nuts.
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2:49p, 7/2/25
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No way would EY be in on it. All risk, no reward. So if it's rigged, it's in a way to fool them too.

But I just go with pure dumbass luck.
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 5:38p, 7/2/25
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The manufacturer of the lottery machine they use is Smartplay International. They validate the machine for fairness prior to the drawing. Smartplay International also provides the lottery machines for the Powerball, Megamillions, and hundreds of other state lotteries across the country . I'm sure their once a year engagement with the NBA is worth risking their 100's of times a week business.

We're quickly approaching the theory that the NBA sent members of their legal counsel to overnight magic camp to learn advanced sleight of hand techniques so they could swap balls without notice by a room full of sports reporters, and then in front of the world when the video of the drawing gets released. If found out I guess these highly paid lawyers could fall back on kids birthday parties to make money.



All argued for to defend the intelligence of a shoe salesman that didn't even score 4 touchdowns in the city championship for Polk High football.
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6:03p, 7/2/25
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Right. To clarify, I'm 100% in the "this dip**** just fell ass backwards into a pick that will likely bail out his disaster". **** happens.
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6:58a, 7/3/25
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Has anyone thought that maybe God felt sorry for Mavericks fans so he gave us Cooper Flagg? I mean, even He couldn't think someone would be dumb enough to make that trade.
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