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and refuse to leave, let's discuss the elephant in the room.

I would like to hear your take on why A&M joined the SEC. Note: This is a serious request. I truly want to hear your take and the evidence you have to back it up.
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TPS_Report said:

and refuse to leave, let's discuss the elephant in the room.

I would like to hear your take on why A&M joined the SEC. Note: This is a serious request. I truly want to hear your take and the evidence you have to back it up.

Financial reasons and to get out of the shadow of the University of Texas and forge their own identity. The Horns and Aggies were always the "yin & yang" of Texas universities, forever linked, and I think the Aggies wanted to break free from that.

EDIT: This is my general impression from listening to my Aggie friends and TexAgs posts. "Evidence" is sometimes an official statement or press release that's been sanitized of the real reasons something occurred in general.
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Big 12-0 said:

TPS_Report said:

and refuse to leave, let's discuss the elephant in the room.

I would like to hear your take on why A&M joined the SEC. Note: This is a serious request. I truly want to hear your take and the evidence you have to back it up.

Financial reasons and to get out of the shadow of the University of Texas and forge their own identity. The Horns and Aggies were always the "yin & yang" of Texas universities, forever linked, and I think the Aggies wanted to break free from that.

Thanks for your response... and there is some truth in there in regard to the financial aspect. The evidence part will be difficult for the "break free" portion. If A&M truly wanted to "break free" from Texas, we wouldn't have requested to keep playing them in every sport, every year, just like UGA and GT, FSU and UF, USCe and Clemson, Louisville and UK, etc. do.

But A&M definitely saw the SEC as a much more lucrative option long-term, which has been shown to be an accurate assessment on A&M's part. Breaking away from UT was a consequence, not an objective.

EDIT: I posted this before seeing your edit.
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Interesting, that's the first I remember hearing that A&M proposed to keep the athletic rivalry alive with Texas. Another reason I forgot to mention was for an advantage in recruiting. A&M could offer an athlete the SEC, while Texas could offer the Big XII, in which at the time was in uncertain waters with Colorado, Nebraska, A&M, etc. leaving and a huge conference realignment across the nation in the future.
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TPS_Report said:

and refuse to leave, let's discuss the elephant in the room.

I would like to hear your take on why A&M joined the SEC. Note: This is a serious request. I truly want to hear your take and the evidence you have to back it up.

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Texas A&M left the Big 12 for the SEC primarily due to dissatisfaction with the conference's governance and a desire for a stronger, more independent identity. The move was also influenced by the establishment of the Longhorn Network, which many believed favored Texas and contributed to the Aggies' decision to seek a new conference.

Texas A&M's decision to leave the Big 12 for the Southeastern Conference (SEC) was influenced by several factors. The university's leadership expressed concerns about the governance and operational structure of the Big 12.
Key reasons include:
  • Desire for Independence: Texas A&M sought a more independent identity, feeling that the Big 12's governance did not adequately represent its interests.
  • Longhorn Network Impact: The establishment of the Longhorn Network by the University of Texas was seen as detrimental to the Big 12, leading to concerns about competitive balance and revenue
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R8ted said:

Texas A&M left the Big 12 for the SEC primarily due to dissatisfaction with the conference's governance and a desire for a stronger, more independent identity. The move was also influenced by the establishment of the Longhorn Network, which many believed favored Texas and contributed to the Aggies' decision to seek a new conference.

Texas A&M's decision to leave the Big 12 for the Southeastern Conference (SEC) was influenced by several factors. The university's leadership expressed concerns about the governance and operational structure of the Big 12.
Key reasons include:
  • Desire for Independence: Texas A&M sought a more independent identity, feeling that the Big 12's governance did not adequately represent its interests.
  • Longhorn Network Impact: The establishment of the Longhorn Network by the University of Texas was seen as detrimental to the Big 12, leading to concerns about competitive balance and revenue


Reads like a chatgpt answer
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Big 12-0 said:

Interesting, that's the first I remember hearing that A&M proposed to keep the athletic rivalry alive with Texas. Another reason I forgot to mention was for an advantage in recruiting. A&M could offer an athlete the SEC, while Texas could offer the Big XII, in which at the time was in uncertain waters with Colorado, Nebraska, A&M, etc. leaving and a huge conference realignment across the nation in the future.


From the Austin American Statesman:
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"We want to make it abundantly clear we will play the game anywhere, any time," the new Texas A&M; chancellor told me Monday morning. "If that game dies, it will not be on us. That game is bigger than Texas and bigger than A&M.; That game belongs to the people of Texas, and if it goes away, it's not going to be on our watch."

The Aggies are on record as saying they want to continue the series, come rain, shine or the Longhorn Network. A&M;'s president and chancellor both say they want to play Texas every year.

Well, maybe. R. Bowen Loftin's and John Sharp's job security don't rest on how A&M; does in the red zone.

On Monday's conference call of Big 12 head football coaches, Sherman all but pronounced the series dead. Regretfully, so.

I think Sherman is as honorable a man as there is in the profession, but I don't really think he wants to play the Longhorns every year as icing on an SEC cake that could be very hard to swallow.

That's why Texas should call A&M;'s bluff and insist upon playing every year. See if A&M; will blink.

Trouble is, Mack Brown says he has "minimal input" in decisions like this wink, wink and surely wouldn't want to play A&M; in the same season it does USC or Notre Dame, both of whom show up on Texas' schedule this decade.

Asked point blank if he wants it, Mack said, "I haven't had time to think about it."

Bottom line: probably neither football coach wants it.

Both sides are talking about how difficult it will be to fit in that game with conference schedules and all. Poppycock. Isn't A&M; in the third year of a 10-year series with Arkansas? Well, that will become an SEC game, which opens up a spot for Texas. Weren't the Aggies and Longhorns supposed to play every year until the end of time or Joe Paterno's next birthday? So now it's a non-conference gig like all those pre-Big 12 Texas-OU shootouts in Dallas, no problem.

You see how easy it is.

Do not let pride and ego and raw emotion get in the way of the best thing in sports since the State Fair corny dog.

But DeLoss Dodds doesn't sound as if he'll budge either.

"As we have said before, scheduling them would be problematic," the Texas athletic director said. "We have contracts for three non-conference games each year that run until 2018. We also don't know what the configuration of the Big 12 will be."

Then, DeLoss adds this for a zinger:

"We didn't leave the conference. They did," he said. "We'll make a decision that's best for Texas."


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In addition to reasons discussed above, it seems like A&M culturally fits better with the states in the southeastern part of the country rather than the rest of Texas and the schools in the American heartland.
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"The decision to move to the SEC wasn't about running from anyone, it was about securing a stronger future for Texas A&M. That said, when you've got a rival like Texas casting such a big shadow in the Big 12, you can feel boxed in. The SEC gave us a chance to build our own identity, on our own terms, against the best competition in the country."

"The truth is, in the Big 12 it always felt like we were living in Texas' shadow. Every move, every decision, every headlineit revolved around the Longhorns. And yeah, there was a sense inside our program that as long as we stayed put, we'd never step out from under that weight. The SEC offered us an escape from that, even if it meant trading one kind of challenge for another. Better to take our chances against the nation's best than stay where one school defined everything."
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South Platte said:

In addition to reasons discussed above, it seems like A&M culturally fits better with the states in the southeastern part of the country rather than the rest of Texas and the schools in the American heartland.

That's an astute point. Texas typically is categorized as a "southern" state, but the South Plains/Panhandle doesn't fit in with that description. Lubbock's barely over a hundred years old but you got East Texas towns that have been around for almost 200 years. I always see my part of Texas as "Southwest U.S." and East Texas as "Southern U.S." or just "the South."
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South Platte said:

In addition to reasons discussed above, it seems like A&M culturally fits better with the states in the southeastern part of the country rather than the rest of Texas and the schools in the American heartland.


This is accurate.
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R8ted said:

"The decision to move to the SEC wasn't about running from anyone, it was about securing a stronger future for Texas A&M. That said, when you've got a rival like Texas casting such a big shadow in the Big 12, you can feel boxed in. The SEC gave us a chance to build our own identity, on our own terms, against the best competition in the country."

"The truth is, in the Big 12 it always felt like we were living in Texas' shadow. Every move, every decision, every headlineit revolved around the Longhorns. And yeah, there was a sense inside our program that as long as we stayed put, we'd never step out from under that weight. The SEC offered us an escape from that, even if it meant trading one kind of challenge for another. Better to take our chances against the nation's best than stay where one school defined everything."

Getting away from UT was definitely a benefit.
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Money!
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The Aggies couldn't match the 340 total yards tu had against the powerhouse utep.

Oh, wait, on the road against #8 the Ags had 488 total yards. Never mind.
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UT lost to Georgia today
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Here's my take on why A&M left the Big12 for the SEC.

1. Conference stability
2. Increased revenue
3. Increased exposure
4. Increased competition


Conference stability was key. In the late 00's, when Dodds saw how much money the B1G and the SEC were beginning to command, he realized the Big12 would never be able to compete due to it's limited TV footprint. In 2009, Dodds began working with Larry Scott and his staff to create the PAC-16 by moving 6 schools from the Big12 to the PAC-10. These negotiations and planning sessions took place without input from A&M. When rumors began to spread, A&M asked UT what was going on, and was told, "Don't worry, we'll take care of you." In 2010, UT tried to force A&M's hand to join the PAC. The other 4 Big12 schools were on board with the move but A&M tapped the brakes because the PAC was a horrible fit for A&M. A&M said it was looking at all its options so Dodds told A&M AD Bill Byrne that if A&M didn't fall in line UT would never play them again in any sport. A&M was given 72 hours to decide.

It looked like the Big12 was about to dissolve. Seeing this, Nebraska reached out to the B1G and secured a spot to start playing in that conference in 2011. Colorado, afraid its place in the PAC-16 might get poached by Baylor, signed on with the PAC a day early to ensure its spot. Colorado fully expected at least 4 of the other 5 Big12 schools to join the following day. This was critical for Colorado as the remaining Big12 schools would ensure a manageable travel schedule and preserve some Big-8 rivalries. What those two may not have known was UT had been simultaneously negotiating with ESPN and FOX to create its own network. Initially it was looking like the LHN could garner about $2 million per season for UT. However, when ESPN saw that the PAC 16 would force massive (read expensive) realignment in addition to losing big brands like UT and OU, it decided to offer UT a $300 million dollar poison pill rather than spend billions renegotiating conference TV deals en masse. UT tried to get the PAC to allow them to have their own network rather than be part of the PAC Network as originally agreed upon. The PAC balked and UT backed out of the deal. Once UT was out, the PAC scuttled the rest of it and went with its first alternate, Utah... creating the PAC-12.

Once UT showed it was willing to destroy its conference to get more money, it became clear the Big12 would eventually be unable to satisfy UT's revenue needs. UT would leave the Big12 at some point in the future... maybe to the PAC, maybe to the B1G, maybe independent. Regardless, it was clear that UT would bolt someday. A&M didn't want to be in a position where it was forced to follow UT into a situation that wasn't right for A&M. The only way to prevent this was to determine its preferred destination and work toward that goal.

A&M's desire to leave was kicked into hyper-drive by Dan Beebe's handling of the LHN. Big12 mandated that school media platforms like the LHN would only be able to televise 1 non-conference home game per year. No discussion had occurred regarding televising recruits, there was no discussion about UT paying conference members to have their game with UT moved to the LHN, and it was understood that ESPN wouldn't force Big12 schools to appear on the LHN. However, after the LHN launched, UT moved forward with all of these. When these issues were brought up to Beebe, he refused to draw the line. A&M had to appeal to the NCAA regarding the plan to televise recruits. The NCAA responded that such an activity would be a violation and recruits' games were never televised on LHN. Had it just been up to Beebe, UT would have been allowed to do it. It became apparent to A&M that Beebe intended to favor the Longhorns as much as possible to keep UT's finger off the Big12 destruct button.

So A&M reached out to the SEC in the summer of 2011 to pursue membership in its conference. The SEC was receptive. The remaining Big12 schools indicated they would sign a waiver agreeing to forego any torts that might otherwise be pursued. Things were moving smoothly. A snag was encountered when OU also became frustrated with Beebe. In an effort to oust Beebe, OU stated they were looking to move to the PAC on their own. Baylor was so alarmed by this that they contacted the SEC to tell them they were no longer going to sign the waiver. Us Aggies saw this as an attempt to keep us from going to the SEC when in reality it was a warning shot to the PAC that OU wasn't getting out without a legal battle. Baylor knew the Big12 would survive just fine without A&M but losing OU would be a major blow to the league and might result in its dissolution. In the end Beebe was ousted and Baylor signed the waiver, paving the way for A&M to join the SEC.

Once the Big12 had been destabilized, A&M no longer had faith that the conference would be viable home long-term. With the clock ticking, A&M determined its own future rather than letting fate decide it for them. Had the 2010 Big12 Missile Crisis never happened, A&M would still be in the Big12 today. But once that Rubicon was crossed, the conference has never been the same.

In the end, A&M's belief that UT would leave the conference for more money was validated. The surprise was that it came before the LHN contract ran out and that the SEC was the chosen conference.

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