It's a widely known fact that Daylight Savings Time was created solely for the benefit of golfers. And it pisses off the non-golfer Standard types to no end.

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DannyDuberstein said:

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Year round standard time is for dumb old ****s who like the sun rising at 5am in the summer and setting just after they get from from Lubys

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or people that work outside for a living.

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Well, like many things in life, the ditch diggers don't get a say.

AggieArchitect04 said:

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I have woken up late twice this week…

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Put your alarm far enough from the bed that you have to get up to shut it off. Problem solved. DST forevah!

No. It's for folks who actually have to do things outside in the mornings instead of working in offices and sipping a Starbucks. And for those who work outside till dark and don't want to come in and eat dinner at 9:30 at night in July.

Sunrise is at 6:20 in early July in Texas and 6:40 at the end of it. Starts getting light 20-30 minutes before that. I think you'll live

I had forgotten about year round, daylight savings time until it finally dawned on me.

Yea. At the ranch in Junction in Summer we still have daylight at 9:00 pm.

So if you work dawn to dusk, what does it matter? It's the same amount of time. Start at 5am, end at 8pm. Start at 6am, end at 9pm.

We may end up on one time year-round, but the option that absolutely won't happen is year round standard time. Don't get why people even bother debating that one.

Gunny456 said:

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No. It's for folks who actually have to do things outside in the mornings instead of working in offices and sipping a Starbucks. And for those who work outside till dark and don't want to come in and eat dinner at 9:30 at night in July.

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I'm struggling to think of an outdoor profession that really needs extra sunlight in the morning. I have a family member who farms and my buddy in college raised cattle. Neither would let a lack of sunlight stop them from working.

Artificial lights really solve most of the problems I can think of. Which jobs really need that extra morning light?

Yes I don't know what chart you're looking at but noaa shows this for Kimble County Texas in July 1, 2025.
Sunrise at 6:41 and Sunset at 8:46. You are about two hours off. That's why we still had light to work till 9:15 pm or so.

I'm talking about ranch and farm work. Sure you can work before daylight but it's a lot more dangerous and harder needing lights in hooking equipment up and using it etc.
The morning is one thing but if there's daylight I'm going to work. I'm not going to stop and eat at 6:00pm. Then go back out and work till 9:15pm. If you wait to eat at 9:15 pm that's about unhealthy as you can get.

What bothers me most is how people use "CST EST PST" year round.

I make sure to respond with "CDT EDT PDT"

If you're unsure, just use "CT ET PT"

I use Texas Time. It's not my fault that people in other places are wrong all the time.

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Gunny456 said:

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No. It's for folks who actually have to do things outside in the mornings instead of working in offices and sipping a Starbucks. And for those who work outside till dark and don't want to come in and eat dinner at 9:30 at night in July.

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I'm struggling to think of an outdoor profession that really needs extra sunlight in the morning. I have a family member who farms and my buddy in college raised cattle. Neither would let a lack of sunlight stop them from working.

Artificial lights really solve most of the problems I can think of. Which jobs really need that extra morning light?

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dropping a bale of hay or cubes can 100% be done in the dark but I can assure you they wouldnt want to be giving shots or castrating bulls with a head lamp.....or having to load them up and take said cows to a place where there is artificial light.


my only experience is working construction and having to lug around mobile lights while you wait for the sun to come up and then put them away every night (thieves) became a huge pain in the ass...plus it kills about an hour of actual working time.

tomato tomato, there will always be someone not happy.......i guess thats why it flops back and forth so 1/2 the time 1/2 the people are happy

Yes sir.

Ragoo said:

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BenTheGoodAg said:

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I don't mind going to work in the dark and don't care one bit if the sunrise is at 8:30.

I loathe walking out of the office and it's dark. Camp year-round DST, here.

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sun up during the morning commute is a waste of sun.

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Bingo. For some reason the dark during my commute is peaceful to me.

Gunny456 said:

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Yes I don't know what chart you're looking at but noaa shows this for Kimble County Texas in July 1, 2025.
Sunrise at 6:41 and Sunset at 8:46. You are about two hours off. That's why we still had light to work till 9:15 pm or so.

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If you go to standard time, it's 5:41am. And it gets light 20-30 minutes before that. Hence the 5am to 8pm that I mentioned. So do the math on how I'm 2 hours off lol.

Because you said sunset was at 6:40 DST. In Kimble County it's 8:46 DST. This is just an argument. You have your side, I have mine. But not getting dark till 9:15 pm is just dumb.
Guess as Ags we can agree to disagree sir.

Trading light from 8pm to 9pm when most folks are awake for light between 5am and 6am when most folks are not awake is so much more logical.

Gunny456 said:

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Because you said sunset was at 6:40 DST. In Kimble County it's 8:46 DST. This is just an argument. You have your side, I have mine. But not getting dark till 9:15 pm is just dumb.
Guess as Ags we can agree to disagree sir.

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I said sunrise is at 6:20am at the beginning of July and 6:40 at the end of it. "It" meaning the end of July as in July 31. 6:40 AM. That's how it is in DFW. Go east to LA or Miss ir Bama and it's earlier than that. You standard timers push sunrise to before 5am for parts of the country (those on the eastern parts of timezones) for a good part of the summer, to where it's light barely after 4:30am. That's why it's never happening.

The number displayed on a clock has zero affect on the number of daylight hours you can work on a given day.

THE_CHOSEN_ONE said:

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The number displayed on a clock has zero affect on the number of daylight hours you can work on a given day.

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Gunny456 said:

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I'm talking about ranch and farm work. Sure you can work before daylight but it's a lot more dangerous and harder needing lights in hooking equipment up and using it etc.
The morning is one thing but if there's daylight I'm going to work. I'm not going to stop and eat at 6:00pm. Then go back out and work till 9:15pm. If you wait to eat at 9:15 pm that's about unhealthy as you can get.

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I'm not trying to be a dick, but the agriculture industry makes up less that 3 million people. That less than 1% of the us population. It seems like the group of people who work in offices should be the primary concern when deciding policy.

You guys are missing my point. It's not about the hours of daylight for the third time. It's about getting in at 9:15 pm. Doctors have all said DST is not healthy as folks come in ….eat late…then unless you stay up till midnight you go to bed shortly after eating….not healthy.
But continue arguing. Funny that our country ran just fine for many years before DST.

Sure. Absolutely. Lots of folks work outdoors that aren't in Ag.

If you believe your day and night need to be dictated by what an arbitrary number on a clock says, I guess maybe that could possibly make sense? But once again, it is just a number on a clock, why do have to follow that instead of the actual daylight hours?

If we follow that logic then we don't need either. Just get up and go to work whenever you want and quit whenever you want.

Gunny456 said:

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If we follow that logic then we don't need either. Just get up and go to work whenever you want and quit whenever you want.

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Time really is just a social construct to keep everything from happening at once.

Gunny456 said:

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You guys are missing my point. It's not about the hours of daylight for the third time. It's about getting in at 9:15 pm. Doctors have all said DST is not healthy as folks come in ….eat late…then unless you stay up till midnight you go to bed shortly after eating….not healthy.
But continue arguing. Funny that our country ran just fine for many years before DST.

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As long as we have companies that dictate that everybody has to be in the office at 8 or 8:30 or whatever, there will be a desire to shift the "time" on the clock to match the daylight available. For people who have to be in the office until 5 or 6, having it get dark before 530pm absolutely sucks. For the people working outdoors, they don't care what the clock says if they are just working based on when the light is available. So it makes sense to shift the clock time for the benefit of the poor schlubbs that are stuck inside all day at the mercy of the morning person mafia that insists everybody has to be there at 8am. There is no reason you can't stop and eat at 6pm, then spend another 2 hours doing stuff outdoors until 930pm.