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*** STAR TREK 4 (Abrams-verse) ***

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My take on this iteration of Star Trek:

That first was amazing. It had an energy that, frankly, no Star Trek had ever before displayed. It was a case of perfect casting for well known characters. Great score. A great Star Trek story. A villain that one could find compassion for despite his villainy. Its only problem was that (for classic Trekkers) it was too Star Wars-y. But to hell with them, that movie was one of the best of this century.

The second was a big bag of meh. I liked Cumberbatch in the Khan role, and Peter Weller was a good villain in his own right. But the movie just never really clicked as its predecessor did. It had another great score, though, but for the life of me, I can't recall what the plot was.

The third ... eh. I likened this to how I felt right before Batman & Robin came out (after what Schumacher did to that franchise in Batman Forever. BF was such a dramatic change in tone from Tim Burton's movies, which amounted to a huge steaming pile of crap IMO, leading to one of the worst movies ever made and still resonating with me years later that I very nearly missed seeing Batman Begins (one of the best Batman movies) theatrically. Same kind of thing for me after Star Trek Into Darkness. Star Trek Beyond was not nearly as bad as those Schumacher Batman movies, but it just didn't have the same feel for me. Terrible plot. Forgettable villain. I don't even recall the score. And after the first featured a futuristic motorcycle, why the f*** are there 1980s dirt bikes on some alien planet where a lot of the action took place?

I hope the fourth can recapture the fun of the first.
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I wonder if after this one, they'll start making movies with the Discovery crew.
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TCTTS said:

The first is still one of my favorite blockbusters of the century so far


Top 5 trailer for me - maybe my #1 even.
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the stunning thing to me is how this late 60's show, that only ran 3 years, was such an incredibly good concept, and so well executed for about 1/3 of the episodes, that it has created a phenomena for over 50 years, even though almost every single movie made sucks donkey balls blue, and most of the other series range from just as godawful to very average.

what a waste of brilliance.

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i regularly think the same
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cbr said:

the stunning thing to me is how this late 60's show, that only ran 3 years, was such an incredibly good concept, and so well executed for about 1/3 of the episodes, that it has created a phenomena for over 50 years, even though almost every single movie made sucks donkey balls blue, and most of the other series range from just as godawful to very average.

what a waste of brilliance.


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DrEvazanPhD said:

cbr said:

the stunning thing to me is how this late 60's show, that only ran 3 years, was such an incredibly good concept, and so well executed for about 1/3 of the episodes, that it has created a phenomena for over 50 years, even though almost every single movie made sucks donkey balls blue, and most of the other series range from just as godawful to very average.

what a waste of brilliance.



lol, the first movie was decent in a weird way. that one was pretty good if you can get past his bad tupe and the dumbass uniforms.

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cbr said:

DrEvazanPhD said:

cbr said:

the stunning thing to me is how this late 60's show, that only ran 3 years, was such an incredibly good concept, and so well executed for about 1/3 of the episodes, that it has created a phenomena for over 50 years, even though almost every single movie made sucks donkey balls blue, and most of the other series range from just as godawful to very average.

what a waste of brilliance.



lol, the first movie was decent in a weird way. that one was pretty good if you can get past his bad tupe and the dumbass uniforms.


I don't know...the uniforms in the first one had that weird Logan's run bodysuit look, which the crew really couldn't pull off
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SURPRISE!
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So I kind of skimmed through the last couple pages...is there going to be a 4th ST movie or not?
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redline248 said:

So I kind of skimmed through the last couple pages...is there going to be a 4th ST movie or not?


Was scheduled for December 2023, but Paramount officially took it off the release calendar a couple weeks ago when the director jumped ship to direct Fantastic Four. I'm sure they're looking for another director now, but who knows.
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Two Abrams-verse Star Trek movies in the works...

1) A fourth movie/follow-up to Star Trek Beyond, with Pine, Quinto & co returning, for what is being referred to as "the final chapter in the main series."

2) A prequel/"origin story that takes place decades before" 2009's Star Trek, which "expands on the Star Trek universe."



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So, like, 4 years away?
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You're probably not far off.

A fourth Abrams-verse Trek movie has someone now been in development for EIGHT YEARS.

That said, this announcement feels a bit different, like they actually have a broader plan/vision this time, but who knows.
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I'm more hopeful about a movie that will have been in dev for 8 years than one that was rushed out at light speed, as Marvel & some Star Wars has been doing lately.
Thanks and gig'em
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True.

For the record, it's seen multiple iterations, though, and hasn't technically been the same movie in development for all eight years...

- The first iteration once again embraced the time travel element, somehow bringing back Chris Hemsworth as Kirk's dad, with Hemsworth & Pine - father & son - teaming up for an adventure with the rest of the crew. However, both Hemsworth and Pine asked for hefty fees, Paramount refused to meet their demands, and that version fell apart.

- The second iteration was the infamous, R-rated Tarantino script, that was apparently more of a terrestrial story, "set in a 1930s gangster setting and appeared to take inspiration from 'A Piece of the Action,' the 17th episode of the second season of Star Trek: The Original Series. The installment, which aired in 1968, followed the Enterprise crew as they visit a planet with an Earth-like 1920s gangster culture."

- For obvious reasons, the Tarantino version never went anywhere, and then the third iteration dealt with some kind of plague/virus, they had a finished script, a director attached... and then Covid hit. So that one fell apart as well, due to the subject matter + Covid production issues.

No idea what this latest iteration is about, but it sounds like it has more finality than past iterations, and will attempt to give a proper send-off to the Abrams-verse cast. Then, maybe the decades-earlier prequel will be an attempt to launch a new direction for the franchise?
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cbr said:

the stunning thing to me is how this late 60's show, that only ran 3 years, was such an incredibly good concept, and so well executed for about 1/3 of the episodes, that it has created a phenomena for over 50 years, even though almost every single movie made sucks donkey balls blue, and most of the other series range from just as godawful to very average.

what a waste of brilliance.




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TCTTS said:

True.

For the record, it's seen multiple iterations, though, and hasn't technically been the same movie in development for all eight years...

- The first iteration once again embraced the time travel element, somehow bringing back Chris Hemsworth as Kirk's dad, with Hemsworth & Pine - father & son - teaming up for an adventure with the rest of the crew. However, both Hemsworth and Pine asked for hefty fees, Paramount refused to meet their demands, and that version fell apart.

- The second iteration was the infamous, R-rated Tarantino script, that was apparently more of a terrestrial story, "set in a 1930s gangster setting and appeared to take inspiration from 'A Piece of the Action,' the 17th episode of the second season of Star Trek: The Original Series. The installment, which aired in 1968, followed the Enterprise crew as they visit a planet with an Earth-like 1920s gangster culture."

- For obvious reasons, the Tarantino version never went anywhere, and then the third iteration dealt with some kind of plague/virus, they had a finished script, a director attached... and then Covid hit. So that one fell apart as well, due to the subject matter + Covid production issues.

No idea what this latest iteration is about, but it sounds like it has more finality than past iterations, and will attempt to give a proper send-off to the Abrams-verse cast. Then, maybe the decades-earlier prequel will be an attempt to launch a new direction for the franchise?
I'm on record as enjoying time travel movies a lot, but I'm relieved that the Hemsworth version fell apart. Time travel has become an overused crutch of ST movies and series plots, on par with the requirement for Bond villains to have giant secret lairs that always explode in overly dramatic fashion at the end. Less time travel, please.
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Agreed. It worked once, quite well, to give us this iteration of the franchise. Anything more would have been overkill.
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Simon Kinberg is now onboard to produce, and we have a more plot details...

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"The project is said to be set decades before the events of the 2009 movie that was directed J.J. Abrams, likely around modern times. It is said to involve the creation of the Starfleet and humankind's first contact with alien life."

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Some sort of Star Trek movie about First Contact

Truly Hollywood has crafted a winner
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Cinematically, the franchise has basically been in a holding pattern over the last year+ while the Skydance deal/drama unfolded. But now that the deal finally closed, and Skydance is officially in charge, I would expect real movement on both of these projects...


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As long as Abrams doesn't direct…
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Also, it sounds like the movies and the shows will all finally better jibe/sync together, a la Marvel…

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It's the 4th movie. Time to go save some whales!
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That sounds like a good plan, so long as no acknowledgment of Discovery is ever made. That show was terrible.
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I was hoping we'd get one last movie with this crew, but that's apparently no longer happening. All things considered, at this point it probably does make the most sense to just start fresh again cinematically...

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The Pine/Quinto/Urban crew was the only version I was interested in.
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Yoda said:

The Pine/Quinto/Urban crew was the only version I was interested in.

Ditto, although that third movie was a bowser.

Great stuff from the first 2 films: Lots of great moments. Bruce Greenwood's all-time best IMO.

"You know your father was captain of the starship for 12 minutes. He saved 800 lives including your mothers and yours. I dare you to do better."


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Great cast in those movies. A shame they won't be back.
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Good. That was Star Wars wrapped in a Star Trek bag. Bring us actual Star Trek. The formula is there. Just make the thing the fans have been clamoring for decades. A long form, episodic, 45 minute episode season of at least 27 episodes with a crew and stories that mimic the morals, the code, the attitude, and the situations of Next Gen/Voyager. Throw in the character development of DS9 and that's frankly all we want.

You don't need flashy graphics and big battles. We just need a really well built set, some cool aliens, and an overarching enemy that is the antithesis to the values of what the federation exudes. The Borg, the Marquis, The Romulans, The Founders, Jem H'adar, etc.

Have them explore the galaxies post the Dominion War and carry on the story. This is not complicated. The cost needs to focus on the set and not the flashy graphics and we need to have more time with the crew. The 27 episode demand is real. Make it happen. 10 episodes is just not enough time for any lasting character development.

Break the mold as Star Trek did years ago. Make it so!
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I agree. This is what Star Trek should be. They can still make Star Trek movies in the form of spinoffs, prequels, etc, but the main story (or stories) should be in the form of an ongoing TV/streaming series with 20+ episodes per season. Also, fire anyone and everyone involved with the *current* Star Trek streaming series, which look abysmal. Start over completely fresh.
 
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