Superman II is not a movie that has withstood the test of time. In the summer of 1981, back to back weekends gave us Raiders of the Lost Ark and Superman II. I saw both multiple times, and they were neck-and-neck for the best that year. In 2025, I will still watch Raiders, but no interest in ever watching Superman II again after I watched it for the first time in probably 20 years, and thought that it was hot garbage. Terribly and unwatchable. It is the memory of seeing that movie roughly half a dozen times in 1981 that I don't hate, rather than the movie itself.Sapper Redux said:YouBet said:Cinco Ranch Aggie said:
Man of Steel, BvS, and Zach Snyder's Justice League are all better than Superman II - IV and Superman Returns. Maybe not a fair comparison since two of those are not solo Superman movies, but those latter two are still better movies than the original Superman sequels.
I could make a movie with my iPhone sitting on my couch that is better than Superman II-IV.
I don't get the recent hate for Superman II, but III & IV fall into that category.
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Superman II is an imperfect film, but I'll take it every time over BvS or Justice League. It's got peak Cristopher Reeve, plus no scene in the Snyderverse comes close to the chills produced by…
And Hackman walks the line between helping Supes vs helping Zod wonderfully.Yoda said:
Superman II is an imperfect film, but I'll take it every time over BvS or Justice League. It's got peak Cristopher Reeve, plus no scene in the Snyderverse comes close to the chills produced by…
And if you're from the H, you have to love:
TCTTS said:
Complete and utter psychos...Nah bro this is insane. The cult is going through it so bad pic.twitter.com/POrZQbdhJE
— Unbiased ‘Real’ DC Fan (@DCStannn) June 14, 2025
We've officially moved passed psycho territory and are now into aspiring terrorist territory. Seriously, how does a human being get like this?
FBI investigating Snyder cultists for terrorism was not on my 2025 bingo card.
— mike (@mxke_teo) June 15, 2025
— mike (@mxke_teo) June 16, 2025
Snyder himself seems like a nice enough guy, but it's kind of weird and ****ty that he's never made some kind of emphatic, public denouncement of these guys.
Someone should tell these guys….
I get being a passionate fan base….but faking to purchase movie tickets and purposely posting spoilers everywhere for a version of a film you don't want is pretty much the comic nerd territory of this chick….
I get being a passionate fan base….but faking to purchase movie tickets and purposely posting spoilers everywhere for a version of a film you don't want is pretty much the comic nerd territory of this chick….
Other than the fact that this stuff is being posted on other forums is it much different than the slaughter of Captain Marvel because people didnt like Brie Larson's politics or any other hammering done by mass grroups of bitter people who think the entertainment world is their enemy?
I don't recall people trying to organize reserving movie tickets to prevent sales and scheming to post spoilers everywhere to try and stifle sales also….
those freaks did a lot of organizingjokershady said:
I don't recall people trying to organize reserving movie tickets to prevent sales and scheming to post spoilers everywhere to try and stifle sales also….
The whole fam has agreed to pile into the Family Truckster for Superman, a true rarity among superhero movies.
Reasons include:
Me: Nathan Fillion and Hawkgirl
Wife: Gideon Gemstone and the Ms Maisel
Kid1: The dog
Kid 2: to brag to her friends
We've done 2 superhero films altogether: The last one was an unmitigated success - Guardians of the Galaxy 3. The first, not so much, Wonder Woman 1984
Reasons include:
Me: Nathan Fillion and Hawkgirl
Wife: Gideon Gemstone and the Ms Maisel
Kid1: The dog
Kid 2: to brag to her friends
We've done 2 superhero films altogether: The last one was an unmitigated success - Guardians of the Galaxy 3. The first, not so much, Wonder Woman 1984
Our family is all in but for a very different reason….
We've never actually started any sort of comic book movie universe thing from the start…we never saw any of the original DCU and our history with the MCU was well documented here….
So yeah…we're fired up just about getting started with something from the beginning in the theaters.
Yes I've seen the OG Superman (Reeves) and Batman films as well as the Christopher Nolan Batman but nothing else from DC since the dark knight rises so I'm looking forward to this.
We've never actually started any sort of comic book movie universe thing from the start…we never saw any of the original DCU and our history with the MCU was well documented here….
So yeah…we're fired up just about getting started with something from the beginning in the theaters.
Yes I've seen the OG Superman (Reeves) and Batman films as well as the Christopher Nolan Batman but nothing else from DC since the dark knight rises so I'm looking forward to this.
A NEW CLIP from the Clark & Lois interview in ‘SUPERMAN’
— DCU Updates (@DCU_Updates) June 17, 2025
Via @KellyClarksonTV pic.twitter.com/N6SxJBdCxz
An HD look at this ‘SUPERMAN’ standee
— DCU Updates (@DCU_Updates) June 17, 2025
Via @SalaAbiertaES pic.twitter.com/EvZqTAb4WS
Ladies and gentlemen, it’s a bald off. 👨🦲 pic.twitter.com/OifpzuNkxZ
— Superman (@Superman) June 17, 2025
my wife has the most bizarre Marvel in-theater track record of all time. She's seen:jokershady said:
Our family is all in but for a very different reason….
We've never actually started any sort of comic book movie universe thing from the start…we never saw any of the original DCU and our history with the MCU was well documented here….
So yeah…we're fired up just about getting started with something from the beginning in the theaters.
Yes I've seen the OG Superman (Reeves) and Batman films as well as the Christopher Nolan Batman but nothing else from DC since the dark knight rises so I'm looking forward to this.
Iron Man 2
Ant-Man
Ant-Man and the Wasp
Spiderman: No Way Home
GOTG 3
in the theater. That's it.
That's…quite a selection.
Though I will say whether it's considered DCU or its own weird little universe, The Batman is well worth the watch (and I say that as a long time Batman comic reader).
Though I will say whether it's considered DCU or its own weird little universe, The Batman is well worth the watch (and I say that as a long time Batman comic reader).
I thought the Batman was just a good movie. Like without the "comic book" caveat.
The first 'Superman' reactions will hit social media July 7
— DCU Superman News (@DCUSuperNews) June 17, 2025
The official review embargo will lift the morning of July 8
Right before fans across the US see the film at the Amazon Prime early screening event pic.twitter.com/LeDM1dKTAI
SUPERMAN’ is tracking at $125M–$145M via NRG, though some insiders see a $90M–$125M range as more realistic.
— DC Film News (@DCFilmNews) June 19, 2025
The film boasts 30% unaided awareness—topping 'TOP GUN: MAVERICK' signaling major interest ahead of release.
(via: https://t.co/rn3ojBmcCO) pic.twitter.com/Nzo4enFYtt
Misleading headline... https://t.co/0KU2j4wyyU pic.twitter.com/6822GTdf48
— Jamie (@filmnerdjamie) June 19, 2025
IF reviews are good, I think it comes in over $150M for the weekend.
Does unaided awareness mean you just have ESP but only limited to when a movie is coming out?
It means you're Redstone.The Original Houston 1836 said:
Does unaided awareness mean you just have ESP but only limited to when a movie is coming out?
The Original Houston 1836 said:
Does unaided awareness mean you just have ESP but only limited to when a movie is coming out?
I assume it means you bring it up without prompting?
I'm hearing talk that the supposed marketing cost for Superman is $200 million….which is insane but considering how much they are actually doing y'all think that number is believable? Do we know approximately what the budget for this thing was?
Totally agree. More the note that I appreciated it even more as a comic reader, was the most complete and true to history interpretation of Batman we've seen.schmendeler said:
I thought the Batman was just a good movie. Like without the "comic book" caveat.
This is some kind of bootleg audio recording, but it's the new version of the Williams theme in full effect, from the movie itself, and kicks in about 25 seconds through. If this is the energy Gunn is bringing, yeah, this movie's gonna cross a billion...
I’m not crying. You’re crying. #Superman pic.twitter.com/n4aIhe6rrw
— Superman On Film (@SupermanOnFilm) June 19, 2025
This is the soundtrack from the part where he's putting on his boots from that first image. All in slo-mo, 3 minute long scene.TCTTS said:
This is some kind of bootleg audio recording, but it's the new version of the Williams theme in full effect, from the movie itself, and kicks in about 25 seconds through. If this is the energy Gunn is bringing, yeah, this movie's gonna cross a billion...I’m not crying. You’re crying. #Superman pic.twitter.com/n4aIhe6rrw
— Superman On Film (@SupermanOnFilm) June 19, 2025
jokershady said:
I'm hearing talk that the supposed marketing cost for Superman is $200 million….which is insane but considering how much they are actually doing y'all think that number is believable? Do we know approximately what the budget for this thing was?
From what I've heard, $200M is accurate. The budget for the movie itself is reportedly around $225M, which would traditionally mean roughly another $150M on top of that for marketing. But this movie HAS to succeed. Warner Bros has too much riding on it. And my guess is the extra $50M toward marketing is to help ensure its success. It also probably/hopefully shows how confident Warner Bros is in what Gunn has done.
What profit margin is considered successful for something like this?TCTTS said:jokershady said:
I'm hearing talk that the supposed marketing cost for Superman is $200 million….which is insane but considering how much they are actually doing y'all think that number is believable? Do we know approximately what the budget for this thing was?
From what I've heard, $200M is accurate. The budget for the movie itself is reportedly around $225M, which would traditionally mean roughly another $150M on top of that for marketing. But this movie HAS to succeed. Warner Bros has too much riding on it. And my guess is the extra $50M toward marketing is to help ensure its success. It also probably/hopefully shows how confident Warner Bros is in what Gunn has done.
Someone posted it earlier in the thread. I think it was like $675/$700M. Around there.
if the budgets are roughly what you posted above ($225 film $200 marketing) that's a total production budget of $425 million…assuming there's NOT a 25% tax discount coming from the film budget if they filmed in the UK then doesn't that mean they need to earn roughly $850 million worldwide to roughly break even?TCTTS said:
Someone posted it earlier in the thread. I think it was like $675/$700M. Around there.
If they get that 25% discount on the film budget then it appears the break even worldwide would be $738 million.
Thoughts?
I've never completely understood how all that works. All I know that the $675M/$700M number was officially reported.
It's $700M. Here's the article…
https://www.thewrap.com/superman-success-stakes-box-office-dc-studios-warner-bros/
https://www.thewrap.com/superman-success-stakes-box-office-dc-studios-warner-bros/
What I've always heard is this:
Generally the US Box office gives back to the production company a little over 50% of the tickets sold. The remaining worldwide box office gives a little less than 50% and the amount also depends on the country. Therefore just as a general consensus just take 50% of the total worldwide Bix office and assume that's the break even.
That article was written on June 2nd and I don't think the marketing $$$ had been made known at that point so also safe to say the number from that article should go up.
Needless to say it's true what you and others are saying…they need this to be a banger! Hell they might be thinking spend a butt load of money on this to create hype around the DCU and if they just break even then that's a win because it should mean $$$$$$ down the road with other films….
What will also be interesting (and unpredictable) is how this will fair internationally…cause even if this only does 120 million domestic but the world wide is over 2x that then that's still a pretty dang good start….
Generally the US Box office gives back to the production company a little over 50% of the tickets sold. The remaining worldwide box office gives a little less than 50% and the amount also depends on the country. Therefore just as a general consensus just take 50% of the total worldwide Bix office and assume that's the break even.
That article was written on June 2nd and I don't think the marketing $$$ had been made known at that point so also safe to say the number from that article should go up.
Needless to say it's true what you and others are saying…they need this to be a banger! Hell they might be thinking spend a butt load of money on this to create hype around the DCU and if they just break even then that's a win because it should mean $$$$$$ down the road with other films….
What will also be interesting (and unpredictable) is how this will fair internationally…cause even if this only does 120 million domestic but the world wide is over 2x that then that's still a pretty dang good start….
So, $500M is break even but $700M is the subjective barometer of success.
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