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12:28a, 6/2/25
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I'm surprised there isn't a thread on this and if I missed it SIAP.

I just found out about this mini-documentary and watched the first episode 1 of 2 and it's phenomenal. Evidently it came out last week on MAX and details the life of Paul Reubens all through his own lens shortly before he passed.

So much of the old footage is great and I had no clue about some of the legendary connections he had rising up the ladder to become one of the most creative bit characters ever.

Can't comment on episode 2 yet but damn, the first one is so great. Highly recommend.



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I read an article from the documentarian about his time with Paul and trying to get this film done. I really want to watch it.
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We watched this recently. It is really good. I told my wife that I would have hated being the person making that documentary. He isn't exactly cooperative, even when it might help his cause.
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This documentary outted him as a fool who pronounced .gif as "jif"
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All of the parts of this that were about Paul Ruebens, Pee Wee Herman, his family and artists and filmmakers he collaborated with were great. The parts that were about Matt Wolf were annoying.
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It was really fascinating to watch. All the stuff he did leading up to Pee Wee's Big Adventure and the relationships he had with other big names was amazing to learn about. In the end, I really felt sad for him because it seemed like he regretted sacrificing meaningful relationships in favor of a successful career, although he was 100% correct that his career never would have taken off the way it did had people known he was gay.
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It was a good documentary, interesting subject for sure. I was 13 when the first Pee Wee movie came out, good age to enjoy on a kid level and also get some of the adult humor and innuendo. Too old for the kid show Pee Wee's playhouse, or at least I thought I was, so was never really a big fan but obviously very aware of him as a celebrity and pop culture icon. The first arrest was so shocking, definitely the late night shows and comedians had a field day with that. I was a much bigger Phil Hartman fan than I was a Pee Wee Herman, and at some point i learned about Hartman's history with Paul Reubens and that they had a falling out (which I of course blamed on Reubens only, and the documentary doesn't really change my opinion there).

I guess my take away is that Reubens was an incredibly creative and driven person, to the point of obsession, and he created some great entertainment. I also think he must have been difficult to deal with, at least professionally, due to his drive and neediness for "more credit". I didn't feel any part of the documentary was ABOUT Wolfe but the scenes where he appeared seemed to be trying to convey how hard it was to get Reubens to trust him and open up. With the way Reubens answered many questions it was difficult to know how much you could trust what he shared.

I may not have watched this documentary if I had not heard Reuben's podcast interview with Conan OBrien a few years ago, I found him interesting, funny, and warm in that interview so it made me curious to learn more about his entire history since he was a bit of an enigma, as a young kid I definitely wondered if it was a "real person" or how close the actor was to the character.
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Complete Idiot said:
It was a good documentary, interesting subject for sure. I was 13 when the first Pee Wee movie came out, good age to enjoy on a kid level and also get some of the adult humor and innuendo. Too old for the kid show Pee Wee's playhouse, or at least I thought I was, so was never really a big fan but obviously very aware of him as a celebrity and pop culture icon. The first arrest was so shocking, definitely the late night shows and comedians had a field day with that. I was a much bigger Phil Hartman fan than I was a Pee Wee Herman, and at some point i learned about Hartman's history with Paul Reubens and that they had a falling out (which I of course blamed on Reubens only, and the documentary doesn't really change my opinion there).

I guess my take away is that Reubens was an incredibly creative and driven person, to the point of obsession, and he created some great entertainment. I also think he must have been difficult to deal with, at least professionally, due to his drive and neediness for "more credit". I didn't feel any part of the documentary was ABOUT Wolfe but the scenes where he appeared seemed to be trying to convey how hard it was to get Reubens to trust him and open up. With the way Reubens answered many questions it was difficult to know how much you could trust what he shared.

I may not have watched this documentary if I had not heard Reuben's podcast interview with Conan OBrien a few years ago, I found him interesting, funny, and warm in that interview so it made me curious to learn more about his entire history since he was a bit of an enigma, as a young kid I definitely wondered if it was a "real person" or how close the actor was to the character.
I'm with you there and I tend to trust Hartman's perspective simply because everyone he collaborated with gushed over how great a person and team player Phil was while Paul didn't have near that type of reverence of those in his orbit.

If I was Phil and contributed a lot to the first movie and the Playhouse but essentially got shafted in compensation because he took his dream job at SNL I would be very bitter. Apparently he never saw any money for all his contributions.
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1:42p, 6/2/25
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Lol, wtf? I started listening to that Conan podcast and the gif vs jif thing is a running gag in it.
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I really enjoyed that documentary, but it also left me feeling sad.

Phil Hartman had some issues as well...so without being there, not sure who was in the wrong/right. Im sure Hartman wanted more credit, but Paul was fighting for his own.

Like others have mentioned, I was amazed at Pee Wee's circle of influence, and the fact he was part of the Groundlings when it was formed. The number of famous people who came out of that group is crazy. I also didnt know that Pee Wee's Big Adventure was Tim Burton's first movie.

Like he lamented, I thought Paul was just an actor...just a goofy dude who did a goofy character. I had no idea the birth of the character, and how he took that dumb sketch show to two movies and a career. He wanted recognition, but he deserved it...and he was stuck in this character that forced him to be anonymous. What a weird spot to be in.

I wish he hadn't had those hiccups, because I'd have liked to have seen what he could have done with his legit acting career.

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In reply to AgGrad99 • 5:50p, 6/2/25
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AgGrad99 said:
I also didnt know that Pee Wee's Big Adventure was Tim Burton's first movie.
I learned this just last night as well. Wild.
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In reply to AgGrad99 • 7:46p, 6/2/25
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I really enjoyed that documentary, but it also left me feeling sad.

Phil Hartman has some issues as well...so without being there, not sure who was in the wrong/right. Im sure Hartman wanted more credit, but Paul was fighting for his own.

Like others have mentioned, I was amazed at Pee Wee's circle of influence, and the fact he was part of the Groundlings when it was formed. The number of famous people who came out of that group is crazy. I also didnt know that Pee Wee's Big Adventure was Tim Burton's first movie.

Like he lamented, I thought Paul was just an actor...just a goofy dude who did a goofy character. I had no idea the birth of the character, and how he took that dumb sketch show to two movies and a career. He wanted recognition, but he deserved it...and he was stuck in this character that forced him to be anonymous. What a weird spot to be in.

I wish he hadn't had those hiccups, because I'd have liked to have seen what he could have done with his legit acting career.




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In reply to Ol_Ag_02 • 7:55p, 6/2/25
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I thought the same.
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In reply to Ol_Ag_02 • 7:58p, 6/2/25
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Agreed
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It was really fascinating to watch. All the stuff he did leading up to Pee Wee's Big Adventure and the relationships he had with other big names was amazing to learn about. In the end, I really felt sad for him because it seemed like he regretted sacrificing meaningful relationships in favor of a successful career, although he was 100% correct that his career never would have taken off the way it did had people known he was gay.
I feel like there was an era of American society where the vast majority of people were fine with you being gay, they just didn't want to hear about it. Richard Simmons was a national treasure/icon...he may very well be one of the most flamboyantly gay men to ever operate int he mainstream...and that was decades ago.

And I think tons of people suspected or knew Paul Ruebens was gay.

I do think if he has proudly proclaimed his sexuality or made a big issue about it, many would have likely rejected him though.
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In reply to Butcher of Bakersfield • 1:29p, 6/3/25
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Butcher of Bakersfield said:
Ryan the Temp said:
It was really fascinating to watch. All the stuff he did leading up to Pee Wee's Big Adventure and the relationships he had with other big names was amazing to learn about. In the end, I really felt sad for him because it seemed like he regretted sacrificing meaningful relationships in favor of a successful career, although he was 100% correct that his career never would have taken off the way it did had people known he was gay.
I feel like there was an era of American society where the vast majority of people were fine with you being gay, they just didn't want to hear about it. Richard Simmons was a national treasure/icon...he may very well be one of the most flamboyantly gay men to ever operate int he mainstream...and that was decades ago.
Richard Simmons never came out. Same with Liberace - who might have been even more flamboyant than Richard Simmons. Not a good career move to come out as gay in those days.
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Nobody would have cared, but decision makers would have been afraid that everyone would care.
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chico said:
Butcher of Bakersfield said:
Ryan the Temp said:
It was really fascinating to watch. All the stuff he did leading up to Pee Wee's Big Adventure and the relationships he had with other big names was amazing to learn about. In the end, I really felt sad for him because it seemed like he regretted sacrificing meaningful relationships in favor of a successful career, although he was 100% correct that his career never would have taken off the way it did had people known he was gay.
I feel like there was an era of American society where the vast majority of people were fine with you being gay, they just didn't want to hear about it. Richard Simmons was a national treasure/icon...he may very well be one of the most flamboyantly gay men to ever operate int he mainstream...and that was decades ago.
Richard Simmons never came out. Same with Liberace - who might have been even more flamboyant than Richard Simmons. Not a good career move to come out as gay in those days.
Is there really a difference though in actually announcing to some interviewer or journalist that you are in fact gay, vs just being clearly and undeniably gay on the screen? Do you think the words coming out of their mouths would really end it all?


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Ryan the Temp said:
It was really fascinating to watch. All the stuff he did leading up to Pee Wee's Big Adventure and the relationships he had with other big names was amazing to learn about. In the end, I really felt sad for him because it seemed like he regretted sacrificing meaningful relationships in favor of a successful career, although he was 100% correct that his career never would have taken off the way it did had people known he was gay.
I feel like there was an era of American society where the vast majority of people were fine with you being gay, they just didn't want to hear about it. Richard Simmons was a national treasure/icon...he may very well be one of the most flamboyantly gay men to ever operate int he mainstream...and that was decades ago.

And I think tons of people suspected or knew Paul Ruebens was gay.

I do think if he has proudly proclaimed his sexuality or made a big issue about it, many would have likely rejected him though.
I do think there would've been significant backlash, unfortunately; I don't think the broader public would've been receptive to an openly gay host of a children's show in the mid to late 1980s.
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62strat said:
chico said:
Butcher of Bakersfield said:
Ryan the Temp said:
It was really fascinating to watch. All the stuff he did leading up to Pee Wee's Big Adventure and the relationships he had with other big names was amazing to learn about. In the end, I really felt sad for him because it seemed like he regretted sacrificing meaningful relationships in favor of a successful career, although he was 100% correct that his career never would have taken off the way it did had people known he was gay.
I feel like there was an era of American society where the vast majority of people were fine with you being gay, they just didn't want to hear about it. Richard Simmons was a national treasure/icon...he may very well be one of the most flamboyantly gay men to ever operate int he mainstream...and that was decades ago.
Richard Simmons never came out. Same with Liberace - who might have been even more flamboyant than Richard Simmons. Not a good career move to come out as gay in those days.
Is there really a difference though in actually announcing to some interviewer or journalist that you are in fact gay, vs just being clearly and undeniably gay on the screen? Do you think the words coming out of their mouths would really end it all?
Yes a public statement very well might make a negative difference (look earlier in this thread "people....didn't want to hear about it"). Liberace sued a newspaper that implied he was gay. Ellen Degeneres' career took a nosedive after she came out; it took awhile before her career recovered. Rock Hudson hid it his entire career. The closet was awfully big in those days.
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chico said:
Butcher of Bakersfield said:
Ryan the Temp said:
It was really fascinating to watch. All the stuff he did leading up to Pee Wee's Big Adventure and the relationships he had with other big names was amazing to learn about. In the end, I really felt sad for him because it seemed like he regretted sacrificing meaningful relationships in favor of a successful career, although he was 100% correct that his career never would have taken off the way it did had people known he was gay.
I feel like there was an era of American society where the vast majority of people were fine with you being gay, they just didn't want to hear about it. Richard Simmons was a national treasure/icon...he may very well be one of the most flamboyantly gay men to ever operate int he mainstream...and that was decades ago.
Richard Simmons never came out. Same with Liberace - who might have been even more flamboyant than Richard Simmons. Not a good career move to come out as gay in those days.
That's my point. Everyone knew they were gay and most loved them. Richard Simmons did a lot of good for people and had a likeable personality and brought joy to people. You don't need to make some big announcement or deal out of your sexuality...that is what starts to turn people off. People want to be able to relate to you...if Richard Simmons had worn lipstick and eye shadow and dressed like a woman, or obsessed over his sexuality, he wouldn't have been so well received/admired.

He was just a positive, joyful, clearly gay guy who seemed to care about others more than himself and feel sincere empathy for people.
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In reply to chico • 6:32p, 6/3/25
chico said:
62strat said:
chico said:
Butcher of Bakersfield said:
Ryan the Temp said:
It was really fascinating to watch. All the stuff he did leading up to Pee Wee's Big Adventure and the relationships he had with other big names was amazing to learn about. In the end, I really felt sad for him because it seemed like he regretted sacrificing meaningful relationships in favor of a successful career, although he was 100% correct that his career never would have taken off the way it did had people known he was gay.
I feel like there was an era of American society where the vast majority of people were fine with you being gay, they just didn't want to hear about it. Richard Simmons was a national treasure/icon...he may very well be one of the most flamboyantly gay men to ever operate int he mainstream...and that was decades ago.
Richard Simmons never came out. Same with Liberace - who might have been even more flamboyant than Richard Simmons. Not a good career move to come out as gay in those days.
Is there really a difference though in actually announcing to some interviewer or journalist that you are in fact gay, vs just being clearly and undeniably gay on the screen? Do you think the words coming out of their mouths would really end it all?
Yes a public statement very well might make a negative difference (look earlier in this thread "people....didn't want to hear about it"). Liberace sued a newspaper that implied he was gay. Ellen Degeneres' career took a nosedive after she came out; it took awhile before her career recovered. Rock Hudson hid it his entire career. The closet was awfully big in those days.
I still don't want to hear about it. I don't want to hear about it if a certain actor is into swinging, or feet, or orgies or whatever. It's annoying when people make a big deal out of their sexuality.

A lot of more conservative types love Elton John and dudes like Morrissey (pretty sure he's gay, right?) for being authentically themselves and expressing themselves as they saw fit, while still seeming relatable. Helps that these guys haven't gone the hyper-woke or "look at me I'm gay I'm gay!" route, at least not to my knowledge.
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Ellen came out at the height of her popularity 30 years ago. I bet almost every comedian wishes they could have the 20+ year "nosedive" that followed at some point in their career…
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chico said:
62strat said:
chico said:
Butcher of Bakersfield said:
Ryan the Temp said:
It was really fascinating to watch. All the stuff he did leading up to Pee Wee's Big Adventure and the relationships he had with other big names was amazing to learn about. In the end, I really felt sad for him because it seemed like he regretted sacrificing meaningful relationships in favor of a successful career, although he was 100% correct that his career never would have taken off the way it did had people known he was gay.
I feel like there was an era of American society where the vast majority of people were fine with you being gay, they just didn't want to hear about it. Richard Simmons was a national treasure/icon...he may very well be one of the most flamboyantly gay men to ever operate int he mainstream...and that was decades ago.
Richard Simmons never came out. Same with Liberace - who might have been even more flamboyant than Richard Simmons. Not a good career move to come out as gay in those days.
Is there really a difference though in actually announcing to some interviewer or journalist that you are in fact gay, vs just being clearly and undeniably gay on the screen? Do you think the words coming out of their mouths would really end it all?
Yes a public statement very well might make a negative difference (look earlier in this thread "people....didn't want to hear about it"). Liberace sued a newspaper that implied he was gay. Ellen Degeneres' career took a nosedive after she came out; it took awhile before her career recovered. Rock Hudson hid it his entire career. The closet was awfully big in those days.
I still don't want to hear about it. I don't want to hear about it if a certain actor is into swinging, or feet, or orgies or whatever. It's annoying when people make a big deal out of their sexuality.

A lot of more conservative types love Elton John and dudes like Morrissey (pretty sure he's gay, right?) for being authentically themselves and expressing themselves as they saw fit, while still seeming relatable. Helps that these guys haven't gone the hyper-woke or "look at me I'm gay I'm gay!" route, at least not to my knowledge.
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This seems a bit ridiculous imo:

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Why? Its not like it's going to be out front when you walk in. Its going to be part of a pop culture section of a new museum set to open in 2027. It will be one of many pop culture items that have connection to the alamo.
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A gay man hosting a kids show in 1986 on the heels of the AIDS epidemic is a far cry from a sitcom in season four in 1997. The Ellen show still lost advertisers.

Pee Wee's Playhouse would have been dropped within the hour of him coming out.
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Just watched the first episode. Very engaging, with Paul Rueben's being himself instead of Pee Wee. Moved pretty fast and covered a lot of ground I was unaware of.
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AggieOO said:
Why? Its not like it's going to be out front when you walk in. Its going to be part of a pop culture section of a new museum set to open in 2027. It will be one of many pop culture items that have connection to the alamo.

I wasn't aware there would be a new "pop culture" museum around the Alamo.

Davy Crockett is rolling in his grave and get off my lawn.
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I just finished watching the first episode. Brought back memories. I watched the hbo show over and over during one semester in school. I was surprised he did not talk about his role in The Blues Brothers. He did talk about a waiter routine he had and that was his bit in the movie, but that was a funny scene in the movie so I was surprised he did not mention it.
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johnnyblaze36 said:
AggieOO said:
Why? Its not like it's going to be out front when you walk in. Its going to be part of a pop culture section of a new museum set to open in 2027. It will be one of many pop culture items that have connection to the alamo.

I wasn't aware there would be a new "pop culture" museum around the Alamo.

Davy Crockett is rolling in his grave and get off my lawn.

It's not an entire museum dedicated to pop culture of the Alamo. As he said, it's simply one section of the new museum that will open which will be in the string of buildings that used to be commercial tourist traps. The 9/11 Memorial museum in New York City does a similar thing with a Twin Towers pop culture section.
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chico said:
Butcher of Bakersfield said:
Ryan the Temp said:
It was really fascinating to watch. All the stuff he did leading up to Pee Wee's Big Adventure and the relationships he had with other big names was amazing to learn about. In the end, I really felt sad for him because it seemed like he regretted sacrificing meaningful relationships in favor of a successful career, although he was 100% correct that his career never would have taken off the way it did had people known he was gay.

I feel like there was an era of American society where the vast majority of people were fine with you being gay, they just didn't want to hear about it. Richard Simmons was a national treasure/icon...he may very well be one of the most flamboyantly gay men to ever operate int he mainstream...and that was decades ago.

Richard Simmons never came out. Same with Liberace - who might have been even more flamboyant than Richard Simmons. Not a good career move to come out as gay in those days.

Paul Lynd is another great example of someone who was super flaming gay but never came out. His show where he played a married straight guy is absolutely hilarious to watch when you know how preposterous the idea of him being straight was.

Today, I think we see the same thing with Pedro Pascal. He has to be bisexual at the very least, but most likely totally gay. He doesn't talk about it, but his behavior strongly suggests it.
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johnnyblaze36 said:
This seems a bit ridiculous imo:


they should build a basement in the Alamo and display it there.
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Well Pablo's brother is now his sister, and he is a big proponent/supporter of that lifestyle so you are probably right.
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