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*** ONE BATTLE AFTER ANOTHER *** (Leonardo DiCaprio, dir. Paul Thomas Anderson)

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It amazes me how many people don't understand that rotten tomatoes is not actually rating the movies themselves, lol.
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GoAgs92 said:

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TCTTS said:



I'm looking forward to this, but father/daughter, stoner, crime thriller does sound like it will NOT be for the general audience. So time will tell how it does. But I'm all in on PTA, all the time.

Since when are PTA movies for a general audience?

I loved the movie. I just saw this discourse, and response a mile away. At least for the last 10 years, what Hollywood and film critics think is cool is not usually what the rest of the world does. I'd say off the top of my head, Maverick and Horror movies are what Americans have gone to the theaters for. Not counting what led up to End Game.
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FL_Ag1998 said:

From that Variety article....

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Variety's Owen Gleiberman raved about the film in his review, calling it a "mesmerizing vision of a police-state America."

"'One Battle After Another' is a movie that taps into the fierce urgency of now; it gives you a chill that's also a wake-up call… while it speaks with a big vision to the danger and anxiety of our moment,
it's also a drama that's totally grounded and relatable," Gleiberman wrote. "'One Battle After Another' is a vision of a society in captivity, but it's a movie that never loses the pulse of its humanity."


Good Lord, I don't think I can roll my eyes any harder.

What does that word salad even mean? I've seen this film and didn't get any of that sense while watching this. I did feel a bit of anxiety when Bob couldn't find a cell phone charger
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Btron said:

Are we entering "Oscar, give it to'em" territory?

is this a glitch in the Texags Matrix? I just said this several pages ago......
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Bot. Flag it
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Bot. Flag it

done
Thanks. I was like, this sounds like something I would say
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TCTTS said:

Even factoring in marketing (which is a way less consistent percentage from film to film), I still think it could potentially break even. I saw two projections yesterday both saying it could very well do over $200M worldwide theatrically now. Taylor Swift even pimped the hell out of it on Fallon last night, which could give it a small bump too, haha. Throw in all the other revenue streams in conjunction with its award prospects and Warner Bros will absolutely consider this movie a win.


It was $250 million to make including advertising. The box office has to be double that to break even. It's at $140 worldwide right now.

It is a massive flop and won't come close to breaking even.

Hollywood is full of woke, leftist Marxist morons now.

I'm sure it'll win an Oscar.
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those dang woke leftists
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also when did people start adding advertising into calculations.
Production budget is all that was ever talked about until very recently
I only ever see it used to frame a narrative however the person using it wants it.
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PatAg said:

those dang woke leftists


Yeah, they ruin everything.
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As a Mexican, I co-sign...

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"Warner Bros. refutes Variety's anonymous sources and their uninformed estimates," a studio spokesperson says.

^ Seems this would be worth mentioning as well.

Also...

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"Though the global haul of $140 million is impressive for a film that's original, R rated and nearly three hours long, "One Battle" requires roughly $300 million to break even. That's because Warner Bros. spent more than $130 million on production and $70 million on promotional efforts, and ticket sales are typically split 50-50 between studios and theater operators."

In other words, Logos Stick's "$250 million to make including advertising" claim above was way off (surprise, surprise). But more importantly, multiple box office projections now have the movie doing around $200M worldwide, if not $215M, when all is said and done.

Never mind the fact that theatrical box office isn't a movie's only source of income. And this movie, in particular, will have crazy good legs on digital, all throughout the holidays and the Oscar race, into the spring, never mind its eventual cable run, hotel run, airline run, etc, etc, etc.

This is all, of course, in addition to the numerous Oscars it'll be nominated for and will likely win.

Will it ultimately break even? Probably not. But it's going to come way closer than that clickbait headline suggests, while going on to be valuable for Warner Bros in myriad other ways, in terms of awards, endless replay-ability for years to come based on those awards, and attracting future talent, by proving to be a filmmaker friendly studio that takes big swings like this.

It also doesn't hurt that Warner Bros was the first studio this year to cross $4B in worldwide sales, so they'll be just fine regardless. To that end, these kinds of chances are exactly what the Minecrafts of the world are for.
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That all sounds like Hollywood cope. It's still crazy for a movie with quite a bit of starpower and a ton of marketing and concentrated critical overhyping to do so poorly. But I guess this is what gets you pats on the back out there.
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It's not cope, it's math.

Some of you are going above and beyond to **** all over this movie every chance you get - as if it's your God-given mission - and in the process all kinds of misleading numbers/info are being thrown around. So I'm simply saying, "It's not nearly as bad as you're making it out to be," both financially and, of course, earlier in the thread, narratively.

I'm agreeing that it's probably not going to break even.

But I'm also saying that it's not nearly the disaster being painting here. To say otherwise isn't me making excuses, it's me presenting pertinent info in light of the highly biased smear campaign going on in this thread (which is at least, if not far more, biased than people will inevitably claim I'm being).

Also, again... it's still the lead for Best Picture and numerous other awards at the Oscars, which absolutely counts for something. That kind of recognition matters financially, not just in terms of Hollywood "pats on the back."

But if you guys want to keep cherry-picking misleading info, or quoting intellectual giants/upstanding citizens like Chris Gore and Bret Easton Ellis, go right ahead. I just popped in to speak a bit of truth to nonsense, but I'll let you guys get back to your usual shenanigans now.
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All I know is whatever they spent in marketing was wasted. The marketing budget didn't make it to me until maybe 2 weeks out, and even then without generally following PTA projects I wouldn't have known what I was watching when I did see in the quick trailer commercials. I guess it wasn't heavily pushed in Texas but that was a mistake imo.
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Weird for you to dismiss people widely recognized in your industry and act like they can't possibly know what you know.
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One reason why I love the internet. The Whistle was my favorite part, the funniest part for me in the film and such a small characteristic of Bob to throw in there. It's those little details that made this a fun watch.

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PatAg said:

also when did people start adding advertising into calculations.
Production budget is all that was ever talked about until very recently
I only ever see it used to frame a narrative however the person using it wants it.

Since economics and math were relevant to making business decisions. HTH
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TCTTS said:

It's not cope, it's math.

Some of you are going above and beyond to **** all over this movie every chance you get - as if it's your God-given mission - and in the process all kinds of misleading numbers/info are being thrown around. So I'm simply saying, "It's not nearly as bad as you're making it out to be," both financially and, of course, earlier in the thread, narratively.

I'm agreeing that it's probably not going to break even.

But I'm also saying that it's not nearly the disaster being painting here. To say otherwise isn't me making excuses, it's me presenting pertinent info in light of the highly biased smear campaign going on in this thread (which is at least, if not far more, biased than people will inevitably claim I'm being).

Also, again... it's still the lead for Best Picture and numerous other awards at the Oscars, which absolutely counts for something. That kind of recognition matters financially, not just in terms of Hollywood "pats on the back."

But if you guys want to keep cherry-picking misleading info, or quoting intellectual giants/upstanding citizens like Chris Gore and Bret Easton Ellis, go right ahead. I just popped in to speak a bit of truth to nonsense, but I'll let you guys get back to your usual shenanigans now.

Probably?

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But if you guys want to keep cherry-picking misleading info

What misleading info is that, exactly?

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I just popped in to speak a bit of truth to nonsense

Oh?
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Bunk Moreland said:

All I know is whatever they spent in marketing was wasted. The marketing budget didn't make it to me until maybe 2 weeks out, and even then without generally following PTA projects I wouldn't have known what I was watching when I did see in the quick trailer commercials. I guess it wasn't heavily pushed in Texas but that was a mistake imo.

$70 million
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Wife and I saw it today and didn't know much other than seeing the trailer for it.

Not sure how I feel about it. It had a genuinely interesting premise to me and overall entertaining, but IMO the execution felt a bit too corny for its own good? Instead of leaning into the darker or more grounded aspects of the story...it just seemed so cartoonish at times. I know the villain was probably supposed to be a parody of an antagonist in some way but I don't know...it was a bit over the top.

Maybe have to think about this one some more...
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captkirk said:

PatAg said:

also when did people start adding advertising into calculations.
Production budget is all that was ever talked about until very recently
I only ever see it used to frame a narrative however the person using it wants it.

Since economics and math were relevant to making business decisions. HTH

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Saw this yesterday and thought it was really great. Tons of energy throughout the film - really found it propulsive. Didn't see it in IMAX, but it looked and sounded fantastic. Leo as the loser, paranoid dad was something that I didn't know he had in him. How was that Chase Infiniti's first movie?? She went toe to toe with Sean Penn, who will win Best Supporting Actor, and Leo and she gave a great performance that the movie doesn't work nearly as well without.

Tons of comedic moments in it, which I enjoyed. The Christmas Adventurers were over the top and hilarious. Tony Goldwyn needs to be a Senator/President in everything (which he basically is). Del Toro was great in his small part.
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It was interesting that the French 75 revolutionaries had basically given way to bureaucracy, as seen in the scenes where Bob can't remember the password. Sensei's crew is the one that actually works to bail him out, while the French 75 is in hiding or out of the revolutionary work bc of Perfidia's betrayal.
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A few other random thoughts since I've been thinking about this movie a bunch today:

- Perfidia is called a rat in the movie (and by me above!), but every single character that gets interrogated gives up the info (Perfidia, They/Them, Somerville, the Taco shop guy, Deandra).

- The battle between Youth/Passion and Age/Wisdom is one of the key tenants of the movie, which I think goes along with my thoughts on the F75 stepping back. Bob can chase after his daughter, but he's withdrawn from the work of the cause. At the end, Willa takes up the cause but will have to make her own mistakes like Bob and Perfodia did.

- Teyana Taylor owned the screen when she was on it. Such a great performance.

Great scenes in the movie
- back robbery and car chase
- Bob meeting Willa's friends "What's up homie?"
- Bob arguing with the F75 on the phone when he can't remember the passcode
- skateboarders running on the roof with the riot in the background
- Mo Bamba needle drop (thought I was at Kyle Field for a second)
- Willa and Lockjaw standoff in the Cathedral
- "Hail St. Nick!"
- "A few small beers"
- the zoomed out shot of Lockjaw and Avanti after going tight on every other conversation
- the final car chase, incredible
- the American Girl needle drop at the end
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Thought it was an entertaining movie, but a bit disjointed, shallow, and a little cartoony and over the top at times. Felt like a Coen or Tarantino movie at certain points. Enjoyable movie overall but pretty forgettable in my opinion.

That said, I thought Sean Penn was phenomenal and I think he'll be hard to beat for best supporting actor.
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3 points.

First, it continues to amaze me that the same people get caught up in the same arguments thread after thread.

Second, I came here as more of a curious observer, I likely won't be watching this. Movies that are "ripped from the headlines" always over sensationalize events (otherwise it's just like watching the news), and people tend to make them because current events impacted them in some way, so they have a POV. If I want that there's a thousand blogs I can read that don't take 2:45 and cost $20.

But lastly, the thing not being talked about…even if this does well for Leo and WB in awards season, why do this role and risk alienating a decent portion of your fanbase? Not that it's some massive online campaign against him right now, but some of the bigger names are certainly trying to get people stirred up. Even with some of his personal views, he's had a career, especially with Scorsese that endeared him to that group. I guess maybe he's at a point in life where he doesn't care and wanted to make a bit of a statement. But he and his agent had to have understood the risk when they read the script. And the irony is that if it does do well in awards season that schism will grow, not shrink. It will be seen as a political affirmation, not an artistic one and reignite the debate.

What would be hilarious though is if WB and Leo said "thought we were biased? Cool, we will make a similar movie from the right's POV". The blowback and box office scrutiny would be epic. That would seriously be one of the most fun things to follow in the history of Hollywood.
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Interesting review and analysis.

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Beyond those scenes, which I agree with, I think the scenes with BDT-Leo were spectacular. Especially, the culmination of the manhunt possibly leading to his doorstep and blowing up his "Latino Harriet Tubman" operation. His calmness juxtaposed with the apoplectic behavior of Leo was hysterical and simply an amazing scene capturing actors putting on a masterclass. I think Leo, Benicio, Sean Penn , and Chase all deserve awards.

I thought, via the trailer, I was in for a Departed type movie and 30-40 minutes in I felt like I was hoodwinked into watching a political hit piece. But after the capture of Perfida, I felt there was a lot of humor at the expense of what I thought would be an off-limits criticism of the protagonist belief system. Therefore, I don't think it's a holier than thou statement movie.

Bottom line, this is a great movie when you check your political thermometer before pushing play on your remote (I didn't and as a result took two days to watch the final 90 minutes). It's goofy / cartoonish in some respects but man I loved the acting.

PS any thoughts on what Sean Penn did to develop that gait? It was so over the top, I laughed any time he had prolonged walking scenes.
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HeardAboutPerio said:

Beyond those scenes, which I agree with, I think the scenes with BDT-Leo were spectacular. Especially, the culmination of the manhunt possibly leading to his doorstep and blowing up his "Latino Harriet Tubman" operation. His calmness juxtaposed with the apoplectic behavior of Leo was hysterical and simply an amazing scene capturing actors putting on a masterclass. I think Leo, Benicio, Sean Penn , and Chase all deserve awards.

I thought, via the trailer, I was in for a Departed type movie and 30-40 minutes in I felt like I was hoodwinked into watching a political hit piece. But after the capture of Perfida, I felt there was a lot of humor at the expense of what I thought would be an off-limits criticism of the protagonist belief system. Therefore, I don't think it's a holier than thou statement movie.

Bottom line, this is a great movie when you check your political thermometer before pushing play on your remote (I didn't and as a result took two days to watch the final 90 minutes). It's goofy / cartoonish in some respects but man I loved the acting.

PS any thoughts on what Sean Penn did to develop that gait? It was so over the top, I laughed any time he had prolonged walking scenes.

Courage, Bob, Courage!
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I'm on a lot of cold medicine, so can someone explain the Christmas Adventurers?

Lockjaw is one of the most unappealing characters in Hollywood history.

I absolutely loved the exfiltration of Bob during the riot scene.
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I'm on a lot of cold medicine, so can someone explain the Christmas Adventurers?

Lockjaw is one of the most unappealing characters in Hollywood history.

I absolutely loved the exfiltration of Bob during the riot scene.


They were just some cartoonish secret society of white nationalists.

I love most it PTA's stuff and, although I thought everyone's performance was great, the story just didn't land with me. The movie could have also been trimmed down to 2 hours and I'm not sure we'd lose that much.

I'd have a tough time putting this one up there with There Will Be Blood, Magnolia, or Boogie Nights. It's better than Inherent Vice, though!
 
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