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***New Ken Burns Doc: The American Revolution***

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Seven Costanza said:

Ken Burns' The War, probably:

"Leading Easy Company into battle, Dick Winters, the great great grandson of a slaveholder. His mission: defeat the Nazis and free the shackled Jews, an irony given the shackles that burdened generations of enslaved Blacks in Winters' America. Through undying grit and determination, his team wiped out waves of Nazi soldiers, just as American settlers had wiped out the Native Americans in a genocide that Hitler could only dream of."

"As the battle commenced, Winters and his fellow soldiers were wearing standard Army fatigues, crafted back at home by women and African-Americans, who -- in the discriminatory environment of the time -- were forced into wartime labor. Their contributions were immeasurable. 'We sewed all day in horrible conditions, often suffering injury from needles and pain from repetitive movement. It was the toughest job of the war.' -- Mildred Simpson, Ames Iowa."
LMCane
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Ben Franklin always played up the frontier aspects of America by wearing a coonskin cap in France.



Cliff.Booth
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If you didn't watch the Apple series about him from last year, you'd enjoy it.
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EclipseAg said:

Seven Costanza said:

Ken Burns' The War, probably:

"Leading Easy Company into battle, Dick Winters, the great great grandson of a slaveholder. His mission: defeat the Nazis and free the shackled Jews, an irony given the shackles that burdened generations of enslaved Blacks in Winters' America. Through undying grit and determination, his team wiped out waves of Nazi soldiers, just as American settlers had wiped out the Native Americans in a genocide that Hitler could only dream of."

"As the battle commenced, Winters and his fellow soldiers were wearing standard Army fatigues, crafted back at home by women and African-Americans, who -- in the discriminatory environment of the time -- were forced into wartime labor. Their contributions were immeasurable. 'We sewed all day in horrible conditions, often suffering injury from needles and pain from repetitive movement. It was the toughest job of the war.' -- Mildred Simpson, Ames Iowa."

How many men in all of our major wars would have much rather...umm...WORKED a little bit...rather than being forced to die unimaginably horrific deaths in the trenches, cold and lonely and scared (or watch their good buddies do the same as they faced the real threat of death themselves)?

I laugh every time they try to play the "woe is me" card for women during documentaries about insanely violent and barbaric wars that almost exclusively impacted young men of the time.
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Cliff.Booth said:



I mean, what else would one reasonably expect from any liberal "man" that looks like this? I would check the F out of his hard drive btw.

TresPuertas
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Seven Costanza said:

Ken Burns' The War, probably:

"Leading Easy Company into battle, Dick Winters, the great great grandson of a slaveholder. His mission: defeat the Nazis and free the shackled Jews, an irony given the shackles that burdened generations of enslaved Blacks in Winters' America. Through undying grit and determination, his team wiped out waves of Nazi soldiers, just as American settlers had wiped out the Native Americans in a genocide that Hitler could only dream of."


perfection… almost.

I'd make one small addition that you need to blur the lines of the Nazis being the bad guys because they rescued the jews from centuries of oppressive freedom.

burns wasn't exactly trying to hide the fact that he was trying to paint the Redcoats as noble
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EclipseAg said:

Seven Costanza said:

Ken Burns' The War, probably:

"Leading Easy Company into battle, Dick Winters, the great great grandson of a slaveholder. His mission: defeat the Nazis and free the shackled Jews, an irony given the shackles that burdened generations of enslaved Blacks in Winters' America. Through undying grit and determination, his team wiped out waves of Nazi soldiers, just as American settlers had wiped out the Native Americans in a genocide that Hitler could only dream of."

"As the battle commenced, Winters and his fellow soldiers were wearing standard Army fatigues, crafted back at home by women and African-Americans, who -- in the discriminatory environment of the time -- were forced into wartime labor. Their contributions were immeasurable. 'We sewed all day in horrible conditions, often suffering injury from needles and pain from repetitive movement. It was the toughest job of the war.' -- Mildred Simpson, Ames Iowa."


The actual documentary on WWII is out if you want to compare your straw man with the real thing. I'm amazed at how thin some of your skins are when forced to acknowledge a broader history than just "fighting white guys are great."
Teslag
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As said before, acknowledging slavery's place in the revolution is fine and even necessary. But it doesn't need to be inserted in every episode. It's forced that point.

And ya, the revolution was great mostly because of fighting white guys.
EclipseAg
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Sapper Redux said:

EclipseAg said:

Seven Costanza said:

Ken Burns' The War, probably:

"Leading Easy Company into battle, Dick Winters, the great great grandson of a slaveholder. His mission: defeat the Nazis and free the shackled Jews, an irony given the shackles that burdened generations of enslaved Blacks in Winters' America. Through undying grit and determination, his team wiped out waves of Nazi soldiers, just as American settlers had wiped out the Native Americans in a genocide that Hitler could only dream of."

"As the battle commenced, Winters and his fellow soldiers were wearing standard Army fatigues, crafted back at home by women and African-Americans, who -- in the discriminatory environment of the time -- were forced into wartime labor. Their contributions were immeasurable. 'We sewed all day in horrible conditions, often suffering injury from needles and pain from repetitive movement. It was the toughest job of the war.' -- Mildred Simpson, Ames Iowa."


The actual documentary on WWII is out if you want to compare your straw man with the real thing. I'm amazed at how thin some of your skins are when forced to acknowledge a broader history than just "fighting white guys are great."

It's just a joke.

Who has the thin skin?
Aggie_Journalist
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There are some really weird takes by aggrieved folks in this thread.
Thanks and gig'em
Seven Costanza
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TresPuertas said:

Seven Costanza said:

Ken Burns' The War, probably:

"Leading Easy Company into battle, Dick Winters, the great great grandson of a slaveholder. His mission: defeat the Nazis and free the shackled Jews, an irony given the shackles that burdened generations of enslaved Blacks in Winters' America. Through undying grit and determination, his team wiped out waves of Nazi soldiers, just as American settlers had wiped out the Native Americans in a genocide that Hitler could only dream of."


perfection… almost.

I'd make one small addition that you need to blur the lines of the Nazis being the bad guys because they rescued the jews from centuries of oppressive freedom.

burns wasn't exactly trying to hide the fact that he was trying to paint the Redcoats as noble


"Just as the duly elected German Workers' Party was attempting to enact fiscal and civil reforms to unite its people and recover from the economic destruction initiated by the Americans and their cabal of capitalist allies at the Treaty of Versailles twenty years earlier, the invading Americans intervened once again, leveling cities to rubble and laying waste to all progress in the area. Following their conquest: the creation of a settler colonist Israeli state that pushed the region's native peoples into stateless open air prisons and further divided the region that had already been wantonly carved up by the same power hungry allies under the same treaty. "

Cliff.Booth
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Specifically?
Claude!
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Just finished watching the first episode, and it's fine. It goes a little hard in the paint on some topics, and I think some of the historians make conclusory statements about the state of mind of people 250 years dead, but thus far it doesn't appear to be as negative as some appear to think it.
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PatAg
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this thread is interesting
 
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