NoAC- Do I know you?

Possibly, but I doubt it. My participation (regrettably) dropped off significantly after '97.

Fair enough... Some of your viewpoints sound incredibly familiar, so I was curious...

I was on 3rd floor B ramp from '98 to '00 and Joey/Hutch and Dion's suitemate on top of C ramp the year after. I bumped into Dion before the game. Glad to hear he's back in school again.

It's very possible that we've hung out at the chicken before... At one point, I did hang out with Dion etc for a while...

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It's very possible that we've hung out at the chicken before...

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In that case, it's quite possible we've met but I don't remember that evening. My nights at the Chicken were usually rather fuzzy.

I was invovled in the said incident at the chicken on Friday night. How I got invovled was that someone confronted my brother about our pots, then pointed at me and said "What the hell is he doing wearing a brown pot?" I may have replied wrong by asking, "Do you have a problem with a n***** wearing a Brown Pot" Of course, hindsight is always 20/20, and I was slightly intoxicated. I was given a clear answer of no that was not the reason. My brother was flustered at the questions that were asked of him, so I stepped in. My brother was asked if he knew a certain old Brown that died during Bonfire, and he responded yes, because they had apparently met before this. He also asked was my brother apart of the Air Crap line. My brother mistakely said yes, and I corrected my brother and explained that all of our lines were new lines. He could have continued asking questions, but at this point one of his buddies sucker punched my brother when he turned and looked toward me. My brother thinking it was the guy who confronted him that hit him, hit that guy. I punched the guy who did hit my brother. At that point, we were pulled apart.

When we began to fight, our actions went beyond having a disagreement as fellow Ags, or even our love of Bonfire or our lines. What happened did not display any respectfulness we should show to fellow Ags, and I'm ashamed of my actions. Pot lines are not something to fight about, but a blatant disrespect to fellow Aggie is. I defended my brother as I would have anyone, Old Army or not.

Our pot lines are new, and they will stay that way. Bonfire will not be the same ever again. You can't compare apples and oranges.

The 2nd biggest problem I had was that everyone except the man who confronted us kept dropping names of the deceased to get their point across, and it began to create emotions that ulitimately led to the fight. Friday night, I felt like I had been bamboozaled by the Aggie family into thinking that Bonfire 1999 was something sacred and above use in starting some drunken barfight. I never met them, and I feel that using those who died as a crutch to rile up someone's emotional is disrepectful. I was at the point of tears outside the chicken because I knew the reason why we all love bonfire and although it may be different times and different eras, and our lines may be different, we all still believe in the same thing. We just couldn't figure it out that night.

[This message has been edited by tokenag07 (edited 9/12/2006 6:53p).]

Why were you wearing your pots in a bar? Can't say that I've ever seen that happen before.

And while they definitely overreacted there is NO reason he should even mistakingly think he's part of the AC line. How do you get confused about that?

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You have to understand, to a lot of the old guys that's exactly what he was doing by wearing a brown and saying he's part of that line. I'm by no means excusing them hitting the guy, BUT I can't think of much that would provoke some of the old browns more than that.

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Why were you wearing your pots in a bar? Can't say that I've ever seen that happen before.

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Odds are they weren't wearing their pots, but the brown Chicken hats they almost always wear.

Ummm.... No... The two in question in this incident were, indeed, wearing their pots in the bar. I wondered why the *****they were doing that...

I run into old army guys all the time, conversations get started based on my brown hat... Never, including in my drunken idiocity, have I gotten into a fistfight over bonfire the bar. All I have ever had because of my hat was a sh*tload of good bull stories, including Friday night.

token- there's no way any of you guys should even think for a half a second that you are tied in to the old lines. we went to great lengths to keep the new lines as separated from old as we could, and you guys are supposed to know that.

The were wearing pots.

Yes, we were wearing our pots in the bar and it actually wasn't the first time we had worn them there. I also said I corrected my brother on the fact that our lines were different than the Old Bonfire lines. I said it loud and clear enough. He made a mistake, and I corrected him. I know better than that and I made my point loud and clear. I know are lines are completely seperate and we intend to keep them that way.

Also considering the fact that alcohol may have played a role in what happened, doesn't excuse what happened, but my brother did not mean to say it, and realized it later.

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And while they definitely overreacted there is NO reason he should even mistakingly think he's part of the AC line.

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So, what you're saying is that he needs to be reminded that he's no AC, dammit!

(Sorry, couldn't resist.)

token - The thing is though there shouldn't be ANY room for confusion on that issue. Even with alcohol involved, there shouldn't be some seed to confuse the guy.

And leave the hollywooding to the BQs. There's not a reason to be wearing your pot into the Chicken.

Agreed.

We wore them to yell then went to the Chicken. I was not aware of any previous rules against this. I will no longer wear my pot to the Chicken or any other bar. Thank you for the infomation.

I would also like to apoligize to The Crafty One, for my brother claiming your line.

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I doubt there was a "rule" about it but its not something that ever really happened in the past. Just know when to turn it off.

Let me get this strait before i go puke in disgust, there was a fist fight in the chicken,started by old ags, over bonfire pot lines?


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To their credit, they take that line VERY seriously. I can easily see how having someone claim to be a part of it would provoke them.

token - There is no rule per se against wearing a pot outside of bonfire, but there are guidelines so to speak... Remember what we taught you kids... I know you'll have to think to remember it the way it was taught, especailly since one of you guys last year altered it slightly, but I know I taught it to you. If you really can't remember, just ask.

[This message has been edited by djx02 (edited 9/12/2006 11:25p).]

Dammit I wish you people could see yourselves from 30,000 ft. All this crap talk about "lines" and "pots" and protecting your sacred lineage while shoving your status as Aggie brothers to the wayside.

The very ideals that Bonfire stood (and stands) for have been kidnapped, converted, contorted, and distorted by your petulant bickering- all while the Spirit of Bonfire hangs by a thread.

You better grow up and wake up before it's too late if you want something more in the future than a story for your kids about how we used to build this big fire and you got to wear this certain colored hat.

Ok, so I have no line and I haven't been "taught" so why can't I wear my dorm's pot to the Chicken after yell? I have done it twice this year and no one has ever said anything but positive stuff, hell it even got two kids interested in cutting this year. btw, this is in no way a cut at anyone, I do want a serious response b/c if it is "wrong" or disrespectful I'd like to know.

That particular comment was directed at the browns of last year's fire that chose to do that. I don't really care if dorm folks want to wear their pots around town or whatever, if just typically wasn't done in the past. I agree wholehartedly that we need all the recruiting help we can get... If it helps, great.

It is out of line for a brown to be wearing a pot in public for other reasons that I shall not go into in a public forum.

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Ok, so I have no line and I haven't been "taught" so why can't I wear my dorm's pot to the Chicken after yell?

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You CAN, but why? In the past outside of actually working, the only place you'd really see people wearing it were CTs at yell. It's there to protect your head. There's no reason to wear it in a bar.

I don't even think I need Jeff to explain why I shouldn't wear my Brown Pot in public any more. I don't wear it for recruitment or to "Hollywood" around and let everyone know that I'm one. I wear it for my own selfish reasons. I take it to my family reunions, back home in Houston, and out when I just feel proud to be a Brown and want to show it.

It was something that no Black person had ever done before. It gives me a sense of pride that even I can do something extraordinary. I wear it because I know my grandmother is watching me wear it. I wear it because I worked my ass off, not to be a Brown, but because of my love of Bonfire, and I was rewarded with this honor.

It doesn't make me any less humble, doesn't make me feel better than anyone else, and it doesn't make me try to prove anything more than what I've proved already. I can't speak for the anyone else on that matter.

If they didn't do it back in the day, then they didn't do it back then. Its not my field pot, and I felt like if I earned it I can wear it. But now I know better, so it will sit on my wall with other my bonfire things as well.

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Dammit I wish you people could see yourselves from 30,000 ft. All this crap talk about "lines" and "pots" and protecting your sacred lineage while shoving your status as Aggie brothers to the wayside.

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One love.

Is this really something that should be discussed on Texags?

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Secrecy isn't a good thing. If this forum's going to be about the off campus Bonfire, we may as well discuss a subject like this.

while secrecy isn't always a good thing...sometimes it is...not everyone needs to know everything all the time...