So basically the website needs to be updated immediately, because either the press release that's on there is in fact a lie, or there's new information saying all is well and the proper permits have been secured.

I'm not a facebook user, so I'm not familiar with the terminology, but it was some bit of information from Bullballs (JTF).

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Who are they? How can you contact them?

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Questions? info@studentbonfire.com

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Keegan, is it possible for Student Bonfire to contant and proactively disclose news to donors and sponsor that Student Bonfire is not in contact with? It will be repeated once again here that Texags is not a place to expect to find useful information about Student Bonfire...or much of anything for that matter.

[This message has been edited by TexasRebel (edited 10/9/2006 4:24p).]

The problem is their own website is also not a useful place to find information.

As for that general email, you're joking, right?

that general email would be more useful than asking here...

I know I'm not the only one that's never gotten any sort of response from that address.

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Keegan, is it possible for Student Bonfire to contant and proactively disclose news to donors and sponsor that Student Bonfire is not in contact with?

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Sure. An email list isn't a hard thing to manage.

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that general email would be more useful than asking here...

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If true, then that pretty much directly contradicts the past 3+ years of observed behavior.

You have to remember guys, a lot of the people posting here are random people. Not everyone on here saying its like this or like that is someone who is making SB decisions.

They're not the ones:
Taking money
Spending money
Dealing with Simms
Dealing with Brazos County
Dealing with another county
Getting permits
Doing paperwork
Meeting with officials
Trying to keep TexAgs speculation to a minimum...

Backseat drivers don't do one bit of good. I do know that some of you are old guys who put a lot of time into Bonfire. I'm glad ya'll were there in the past. But, there are guys now, that were like you back then, involved. People come and people go. But the guys handling business aren't the guys posting on TexAgs, they don't need to, want to or have to. Texags.com is not StudentBonfire.com.

Knowing whether a piece of paper was turned in on time is not that big of a deal. Cut would not be taking place if SB couldn't legally burn it. If you are that concerned about the workings of Bonfire, ask a Red when you come out to cut or stack.

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Knowing whether a piece of paper was turned in on time is not that big of a deal.

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It's a HUGE deal. A lot of us got the impression this summer that SB didn't really have the logistical side together. No word after the deadline has passed is REALLY bolstering that idea.

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Texags.com is not StudentBonfire.com.

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This has typically been a better place to get information. There's currently none on SB.com which is why DualAg started this thread.

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Cut would not be taking place if SB couldn't legally burn it.

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Burn last year wasn't legal and it happened anyways. Now the burn ban is one situation and the permits this year are another, but people who are concerned about the situation are getting stonewalled when we ask about it. Why?

The days of "The people who need to know know" and "It will be taken care of, just trust us," should be LONG since over. We're not asking to know every single little aspect of how things are operated, but THIS issue is a BIG BIG concern.

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Hate to jump on the band wagon but the website sux for info and is the main reason a lot of old farts (aka the people with money) are not stepping up.
If the info here is so bad, then correct it. I am sure the staff would help out with a moniker of some sort (little red pot) identifying the people with the actual truth, not some perimeter fire tending, marshmellow roasting wannabe, if someone asked.
I am not trying to bash, just an observation from someone who just wants to see the fire burn.

To set a few people at ease. The deadline is actually tomorrow. 45 days fell on Sunday, which pushes back to the next business day. Today was Columbus day so offices were closed and a deadline of tomorrow 10/10 was made.

With the legal issues involved, I'm sure the SB leadership has been given legal advice to not release information. A statement should be made within a couple days.

I would sit tight for a couple days.

THANK YOU!

Okay, fair enough, I can wait a couple of days.

All I asked was this:

1. Did the contracts get negotiated, signed, and submitted to the county judge?

2. Did he find them acceptable enough to issue a mass use permit?

That's not asking for a state secret. It's not an unreasonable request, given the KBTX segment that appeared a month ago. Many of us outside of the organization are deeply concerned.

Three-week old language on a web site doesn’t reassure us. Neither do admonitions to come out to cut and “ask a yellow.” Many of us are not in a position to do that.

But I can wait a few more days.

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I know I'm not the only one that's never gotten any sort of response from that address.

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I just inquired about the lack of responses that a few people have reported from the generic info address...

It was told to me that when a barrage of emails that all ask the same question arrive, the SB leaders answer them all at once in a news breif, or similar form. If somebody has a unique question, details or interest about sponsorships or donations, or demonstrates the ability to help SB reach yearly goals...the a reply is sent.

Could it be, you have just been emailing Student Bonfire with the same question that a few dozen others have asked?

I took the opportunity to suggest that a generic reply be sent out in relpy to every email received that explains this system and acknowledges that the email went to the right place.

Maybe this has been addressed in the mess of convulted answers already but...

If the information is so "readily" available on the website, which you give the impression is updated frequently, then why can't we come anywhere near a straight answer on simple facts. Like it's been said before, knowing whether or not the documents have been approved or not isn't some top secret matter.

Also, like said before, just because the website says it will burn within the law doesn't necessarily make that the truth. The burn didn't burn within the law last year, well, to be fair it didn't burn, but it was lit illegally. How can people involved and supporters of SB be guaranteed this isn't the case again this year?

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then why can't we come anywhere near a straight answer on simple facts.

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We are on Texags and it is a safe bet that nobody that knows the answers to your question is posting, or even reading this thread.

There were also no official Student Bonfire claims last year that burn would be completely within the law. Leadership tried to work around the burn ban, but due to a failed last minute injunction and flip-flopped answers from the county, Stack could not be lit legally. This action was reviewed over the past year and most people involved feel that this would be a bad thing to repeat.

The statement on the website says that "Bonfire will burn within the law". In order for the SB leaders to know this will happen, all of the proper paperwork must already be in proper order, the fire, EMS, and other local authorities must be in the know, and SB leadership must be ready for any last minute obstacles the county tries to place.

It also means that if an unforseen legal obstacle should come up that Bonfire cannot get around, events will not repeat as they did last year.

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With the legal issues involved, I'm sure the SB leadership has been given legal advice to not release information. A statement should be made within a couple days.

I would sit tight for a couple days.

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Have contracts been submitted to the appropriate governmental agencies, e.g., police and fire departments, and to private contractors for crowd control and other services stipulated by the judge for his granting of a mass gathering permit?

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What about Bonfire makes this mass gathering permit necessary?

If you have more than a certain (small) number, you need a mass gathering permit or you can be jailed or fined.

Since SB, Inc. is hoping to have 5 to 10,000 folks out at burn (probably more like 5,000), that requires said permits.


Remember '99.
OC Hogs Build Bonfire!

Every time I read Texags and come across some of you snivelling, tradition hating ladies, I lose a little more hope for A&M. Some of you candy-asses clearly got lost on the way to Austin, Lubbock or Waco. Please buy a map and leave. - Buck Turgidson

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§ 751.002. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:
(1) "Mass gathering" means a gathering:
(A) that is held outside the limits of a
municipality;
(B) that attracts or is expected to attract:
(i) more than 2,500 persons; or
(ii) more than 500 persons, if 51 percent or
more of those persons may reasonably be expected to be younger than
21 years of age and it is planned or may reasonably be expected that
alcoholic beverages will be sold, served, or consumed at or around
the gathering; and
(C) at which the persons will remain:
(i) for more than five continuous hours; or
(ii) for any amount of time during the
period beginning at 10 p.m. and ending at 4 a.m.

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so what happens if C is not met? Wouldn't it mean that the Mass Gathering act would not be required?

What he is saying is that we'd be under 2,500 people by 10pm. If it were my decision, my view would be - "Its possible and do-able, but I wouldn't want to count on making that happen. What if people want to stay, I wouldn't want to kick them out."

Chances are, of the people who are left after 10pm at least half will be under 21 unless all the freshmen and sophomores will be sent home early

The 21 part doesn't count since alcohol is prohibited.

If they let on time which they usually don't do, then they could ask people to leave before 10. Get them to the bus lines and actually not let people stay to watch it burn all night. But in many previous years they kept delaying the actual light time because so many were caught up in transportation problems.

If it keeps raining the burn ban might be gone.

Robertson County just lifted burn ban, more counties will probably follow.

The Volunteer fire station has not been flying their Burn ban flag, I wonder if that is an indicator.

the front page of the brazos county website always says if there is a burn ban

http://www.co.brazos.tx.us/

And according to the Brazos county web site:

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Burn Ban Lifted

There is no burn ban in effect for Brazos County .

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brazos county burn ban has been lifted for more than a week

this is the thrid straight week with no burn ban

back to the question at hand......


MASS GATHERING permits????

all i can say is, the mass gathering stuff is being handled... a formal announcement will be made ASAP once things are hammered out.

Slim, you're more than welcome to borrow my 12# sledge or a maul if you need a bigger hammer