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a substanitially fewer amount of people grasp the importance of Bonfire.

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I can think of two right off the top of my head.

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If this is still the same Bonfire (by Aggies, for Aggies) that you say existed prior to 99, how come you aren't pulling the 70K? It is the same Bonfire...isn't it? No, 70K wouldn't gather to watch 50 feet of pallets burn, but not even 10K are coming out to Bonfire. Time to hit the drawing board...

I'm ready to get blasted for this one, I don't really care. This isn't the same Bonfire. While it's still built by Aggies who have an intense passion for Bonfire and the Tradition it was/is, it's not the same in the sense that it's built for Aggies. Turnout/involvement will tell you that.

I would imagine prior to 2000, non-regs, corps, frat, sorority, former students and future Aggies all looked forward to the week of Thanksgiving so they could make the trip to CS if they weren't already there to watch it burn. But now members of SB have to try to heavily recruit people just to come out to their event, as if it were a fundraiser, and in a way, it is unfortunately.

Bonfire is not what it was. Period. If there is an organizational commitment to making that happen alongside building it year in and year out, then perhaps a more consorted effort could be made. (Working with administration in some way shape or form, not seeing BCS as your rival, not telling people who don't participate in it that they are "nothing and need to F off", not alienating former students). I think we ALL want to see it come back to the way it was, huge crowds, burning passion across the majority of the student body, a non-divisive Bonfire.

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"what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

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WE do not see them as any form of rivalry. I see were your getting your opinions......there wrong. Thanks for playing come again soon.

Ig ues 93 and 98 arent real bonfires, there shure werent 70k at those....

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Proudest member of the Fightin Texas Aggie class of 08 Beat the h*** outa tu A-A-A Whoop!!!. May bonfire forever burn in our hearts.....and may the Twelfth Man ever burn it in memory and in hope for the future.

funny kip, I can think of tens of thousands of others who don't grasp it as well. Know how? They don't show up.

What of my "rambling" did you take issue with exactly? Perhaps you would care to venture a guess as to why Bonfire these days, you know...since it's the same thing as it use to be, is only pulling a fraction of the attendence it once was?

Why do people get so defensive (and offensive) when somebody makes a (non-offensive) comment they disagree with?

FYI NOT a member of BCS, don't worry about that. Just from what I gathered from recent posts.

It's a quote . . . from a movie . . . I guess since you don't get it it wasn't worth making that movie. Oh well.

Oh I got it, I knew you weren't being original. It's ok, although, the movie should have been made. It was successful.

SO07,

I don't really care whether you "get it" or not, to be honest. The fact is that, as a person who built Bonfire, it means more to me than it ever could to you. You say that it means little or nothing because 70k people don't show up to watch it burn. I say that the meaning of Bonfire is in the building, not the burning. You can't possibly understand that if you choose not to participate in it. So what if "non-regs, corps, frat, sorority, former students and future Aggies all looked forward to the week of Thanksgiving so they could make the trip to CS if they weren't already there to watch it burn." It wasn't built for them.

I have a secret for you, it wasn't built to show the "burning desire to beat the hell out of t.u.," either. We built it because we could. Because it defined us. You (and "they" ) showed up because it was there, it was convenient, and it was the "thing to do." Honestly, it is better off without you and your ilk. The people who support it, build it, and show up to it now can make it better than it ever was when I did it. They have already started that. Despite your nay-saying, they will continue to do so.

I'm not sure what part of what I have written is offensive to you. Nothing I wrote was either offensive, or meant to be taken that way. But understand, what you said, belittling what these folks do, was NOT non-offensive.

Have a good fall . . . I'm done with you.

kip95

PS. And since you have responded since I started this post . . . Of course it wasn't original. That is why it was in quotes. And you are right, the movie was successful, even if you didn't get it. Just like Bonfire.

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[This message has been edited by Kip95 (edited 10/21/2006 6:53p).]

I didn't say it didn't mean anything to you. I'm sure it does, I'm sure Bonfire means a lot of things to a lot of people. I'm sure of that as a matter of fact, and that's a good thing because if it didn't, Bonfire would never stand a chance.

So for all those years, all those people who never built it but only came to watch it burn...it couldn't mean anything to them because they didn't build it? This is exactly what I'm talking about, nowadays it's a very exclusive thing...if you didn't build it you can go to hell. That sort of thing, and that sort of thing sucks. If we're all in this together, which I'm sorry if you don't think so, then how come Bonfire can't be for EVERYbody?

I hope they continue to do so (build the fire), but before that, I hope they're able to. I fail to see how what I said belittled the efforts of those who continue to build it, if anything I encouraged them to keep up their good work and spread what they believe and their experience to others in order that more people gain an interest in Bonfire.


Thank you for the well-wishes, I hope you have a nice fall too.

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fail to see how what I said belittled the efforts of those who continue to build it, if anything I encouraged them to keep up their good work

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I hope this isn't like a prize fighter who instead of riding out into the sun chooses to kick and punch until he disgraces his once great legacy...

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As for Bonfire being different now than it was then, and your evidence being that people don't show up . . . I will repeat, the MEANING of Bonfire is in the building of it. That is the same no matter if 100 people of 100k people show up to it. Burning it takes place after-the-fact. You don't understand that, and I can not explain it to you in any other way than I have.

It's not that Bonfire has NO meaning for you. It's that it CAN'T have the same meaning for you that it does for me. You have CHOSEN not to take part in what Bonfire truly means. For those of us who built/build it, it has a meaning that you cannot POSSIBLY understand. For those who attend (and God bless 'em) the meaning (little "m" ) is the burn, the burning desire . . . etc.. But to those who BUILD it . . . it is something else entirely. That is what my previous post was about.

If you think it it exclusive it is because you have chosen to exclude yourself. If you think it is divisive it is because you divide yourself from it. You have time, go out this weekend and experience it. They YOU can tell YOUR friends what the MEANING of Bonfire is. I promise, the burning of Bonfire will never again have the same meaning as it will when you understand the MEANING. (repetitive, eh?)

What is stopping you? Your mid-term was yesterday.

Go, build, learn, UNDERSTAND.

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[This message has been edited by Kip95 (edited 10/21/2006 7:43p).]

My comment that you quoted certainly wasn't meant, and I don't believe it was, to be offensive. The OP had a concern that what was happening now was hurting the legacy, that's all I was saying. Had I said "Bonfire and everybody who builds it sucks," that would have been demeaning. I don't feel that way. At all.

You keep saying I don't understand that. I do understand it. I worked for two years on it with some really good friends, made some really good friends, and still have some really good friends working on it. All I'm saying is that while Bonfire should mean a hell of a lot to those who build it, it should also mean something to those who only watch it. After all it IS Aggie Bonfire. Not Aggies who build Bonfire's Bonfire. Why can't it mean a lot to everybody? (This is why I think it's exclusive).

Saying that I think it's exclusive because I chose to exclude myself doesn't make much sense. MENSA is exclusive, right? Do I think this because I chose to exclude myself in it? Nope. Bonfire, in my opinion, is exclusive because the people who work on it think it's their's and their's alone. That's unfortunate to me. I understand the meaning of it, honest, I do, and I think it's great that there are people who are working on it and feel as strongly as you do. But you should know that I've been there.

Yeah...f the stupid smiley.

Look, I don't mean to come across as a jerk or anything, and I hope my original sentiment isn't/doesn't get lost in all of this. I want to see SB do well, really well. I want as many people on campus to get out there and build it and participate it, and I think it'd be great if everybody was able to understand the meaning of Bonfire.