Yeah, Curly, I think that may even be a little generous.

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How many residents live in Moses this year?

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Just under 200.

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I never said anything to imply that you're a terrible husband and father, and that's a pretty dick thing of you to say, to be frank. That's rough that you resorted to that to give the impression I would even say such a thing. Weak.

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Yeah, I'm a dick. That’s not news to me. "Toying" with others isn't dickish, though. Right? (Your word, not mine.)

Doesn’t it suck when people try to put words, opinions, even emotions or attitudes that you don't have into your proverbial mouth? Doesn’t it make you want to say, “Hey, wait, that’s not fair?” Problem is if you do your “opponent” will call it whining. Yet you seem to want to do that with anyone and everyone involved with Bonfire who disagrees with you.

Prior to your little drunk/sober *****-fest, I was attempting carry on a discussion/debate with you. Differing opinions are fine, even necessary, but both sides of a debate are allowed to have one, not just yours. Disagreement is not idiocy or foolishness, nor is it a sign of a lack of thought or shortsightedness. Your instantaneous labeling of people who disagree with you as “whiners,” “narrow-minded,” “foolish,” and “short-sighted” just shows how little regard you have for anyone who dares to stand up to you.

You still haven't responded to my earlier points regarding the scope of immaturity that you would like to blame on Bonfire. I brought up cogent, valid arguments that you have roundly ignored. Your decision to walk away from the debate (and blame me for it) without answering my post tells me all I need to know about the nature of your position; despite your protestations otherwise, at no point did you really want to know anyone else’s opinion or thought process. You simply wanted to put yours out there in order to get a reaction that would help you feel superior to others. Talk about “weak.” I guess it really is easier to ignore and dismiss than it is to have to debate, isn’t it?

Go ahead, have the last word. Say as many baseless, unsupportable and completely incorrect things about me as you want; I’ll not respond. Until you actually want to have a discussion, debate, or free-flow of thoughts and ideas, I am done with you. I have better things to do.

I believe there were people actually discussing things here before you attempted to light into me again.

Kip, more than anything...all your doing right now is shoing that you're getting soft. You appear extremely vulnerable to any type of razzing going on here. You're taking this all a bit too seriously and it might be time to step back, take a breather and put a few things into perspective. Honestly, I don't mean this as a jab at you, but go back and read the last few posts of your's...they make you look a little ridiculous. Saying things like I called you a terrible father really makes you look like you've lost it. This is an internet discussion board, pretty far from life or death.

For the record, I didn't call YOU a dick, I said that your implication was dickish...breathe kip, breathe.

And ok fine, I'll say it again, my response to your question about the scope of immaturity realted to bonfire. I'll state it briefly here. In my experience with bonfire I've seen some ridiculous things, kids getting hit on the head with axe handles, people throwing entire logs onto a massive fire, things of that nature. The culture of bonfire condones such absurdity and in my opinion it is this culture and attitude of immaturity, **** the "Man", and just general recklessness that spills over from outside of cut, stack and burn and into the everyday lives of these people.

There, are you satiated? Again...Kip...seriously, relax and get a grip.

I'm sure you're a great father and husband and I'm sure you work hard at your job, and I'm in no way patronizing you. I don't know you, you don't know me, and I can pass very little as far as an opinion of you goes. All I really have to say is that you seem a little emotionally wrapped up and vested into something that's just a tad on the trivial side of things.

square troll got hit with the banstick by the looks of it....

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I dont want them in charge of anything don't get me wrong but why dont they all split up and go be leadership in dorms that arent involved any more and get them going again to help spread bonfire to others aka go liven up southside a little

so back to the discussion that started this all

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How many current Moses residents participated in ASB 2006?

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Preshy, I didn't see more than 10 Moses guys out there at one time. I could be wrong but thats all I saw

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Yeah, Curly, I think that may even be a little generous.

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How many residents live in Moses this year?

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Just under 200.

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so the dorms pulling the largest numbers for bonfire are the ones causing great amounts of trouble...

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was ten people truely the largest group?
Did Moses get as much as a perimiter pole this year?

Can 10 of 200 have so much of a strangle hold on an entire dorm to get EVERYONE evicted?

If I were in charge of ResLife, and I am obviously not, I would think getting rid of the 10 would be a much better and rational solution. How do you explain punishing the whole when 5% are responsible???


Square, you yourself said you had nothing to do with bonfire this year, why are you quoting such things as "largest numbers for bonfire," I only ask one thing, where did you get this data?

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I dont want them in charge of anything don't get me wrong but why dont they all split up and go be leadership in dorms that arent involved any more and get them going again to help spread bonfire to others aka go liven up southside a little

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That's an excellent question. Way too many dorms are uninvolved. I've heard that Aston and Mosher had decent-sized crews back in Old Army days; did they even have a single participant this year?

if you want to get down to true colors Aston did have 1 this year

I wonder how much the nature of Aston changed between 1998 and 2001...I think the internet may have had a little play in it.

I don’t think that someone would be able to peg the cause of all or most of the tomfoolery on Bonfire. Like Kip said, you get a bunch of 18 to 20 something boys together unsupervised, who are all friends and bent on impressing each other, and shenanigans are going to occur.

Unlike the corridor style dorms, the commons and mod dorms don’t allow you as many chances to meet your neighbors and don’t seem to encourage as many activities. They don’t have benches or a common meeting area for slackers to meet at, they don't throw dorm parties or go to dinner together. I knew most of the people back in the day that caused most of the problems. A lot of them didn't participate in Bonfire, they hung out together 24-7 and tried to top each other’s Jacka**ery.

What fun is throwing a bowling ball thru a window or setting a couch on fire when there isn’t another friend or group there to do it with or witness your stupidity? I mean that is usually why it is done, for the attention of being “cool”.

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they don't...go to dinner together

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Clements (and Lechner and Neeley) had dorm dinners on a regular basis. We just never attracted the attention that Walton and Moses did.

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They don’t have benches or a common meeting area for slackers to meet at, they don't throw dorm parties or go to dinner together.

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The commons dorms have courtyards in the center of each...benches, grills and all...

Aston and Mosher had dorm dinners in 2001-2002, don't know if they still do or not...that was back when there was a dining hall that worked under the commons.

Mosher had one girl too this year she went out with dunn some

Blaming the culture of Moses on Bonfire is sheer idiocy. As large of a Bonfire dorm as Moses is/was, it was never the majority of the residents who participated. Guys doing stupid stuff does not require Bonfire. There was plenty of damage in the spring semester, too.

Yes, Bonfire played an important part in Moses' culture. But it was probably more the community in the corridor-style halls mixed with a little tradition that caused Moses to evolve over time.

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Bicycles ended up in trees back when I lived in Aston in 2001...based on your theory []...how did this happen?

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They were magical flying bicycles.

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I wonder how much the nature of Aston changed between 1998 and 2001...I think the internet may have had a little play in it.

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And streaming internet porn

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They were magical flying bicycles.

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that's just a myth...


...they jumped

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Blaming the culture of Moses on Bonfire is sheer idiocy. As large of a Bonfire dorm as Moses is/was, it was never the majority of the residents who participated. Guys doing stupid stuff does not require Bonfire. There was plenty of damage in the spring semester, too.

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Am I wrong, or does Moses build their own fire every year as well? Is that not "bonfire" culture? Something I have noticed among bonfire people is the cocky attitude that they are better than me because they do bonfire. I'm speaking mainly of the leadership, who has a serious influence on everyone else. Is this good or bad for the organization?

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Am I wrong, or does Moses build their own fire every year as well?

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They did in 2000-2003. I think they quit doing it because there wasn't a point anymore.

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I'm speaking mainly of the leadership, who has a serious influence on everyone else. Is this good or bad for the organization?

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Well it would depend on whether the effect being had on the organization is positive or negative.

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Something I have noticed among bonfire people is the cocky attitude that they are better than me because they do bonfire.

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Based on those remarks, then such behavior is bad for the organization.

Leadership should have a positive effect on the organization as well as present a positive image to those on the outside. If they are unable to do either or both, it's time to revise policy or go with new leadership altogether.

By the way, this one's for you Mr. VS.

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Something I have noticed among bonfire people is the cocky attitude that they are better than me because they do bonfire.

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I used to have the same impression of people in frats. Let's get rid of frats.

I'm all for that one!

How many differences actually exist?

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If they are unable to do either or both, it's time to revise policy or go with new leadership altogether.

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The leadership gets changed every year allready. The new leaders often do things differently in order to better the organization, and help it run more smoothly. Don't think that just because Redpot A passed to Redpot B that B is goin to be just like A.

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How many differences actually exist?

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70-bazillion!

Will D,
That is so correct. It has changed so much since myself and changes every year dramatically from chief to chief. Most of the time for the better.

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