Tim Alberino & Michael Knowles Podcast: Fascinating

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"Lost Technology, Nephilim, & The Mainstream Lies" Michael Knowles and Tim Alberino

I'm going to come out and openly admit I do not delve into the realm of the topics discussed on this episode much but it was so entertaining and fascinating how this conversation developed. From megaliths, who built them and how, to mythology, the pre-flood world and Nephilim, all the way to AI and aliens; I know it's a long episode but it felt so brief. Definitely blew my mind on many fronts.

I'm going to butcher the presentation of Tim's argument here, but one continuous conversation throughout the episode that came up was the Book of Enoch and how Jesus and others referencing it in the NT give it credence, yet its not in the canon/Bible. Apparently the Book of Enoch sheds more daylight on Nephilim. I haven't read it but and intrigued to now. But he launches from there into the idea that our modern perception of demons is wrong and that, at least some, of the demons are disembodied Nehpilim who where condemned to roam the earth as spirits until their appointed time. Which links up with Matthew 8:29 where the demons tell Jesus, "Why are you here before the appointed time?"

The final discussion on AI, transhumanism, and technological singularity was fascinating as well.

Long but well worth the listen. And curious of anyone else's thoughts if you've listened or have opinions on these subjects. As I mentioned its out of my wheelhouse but curious to dig deeper.
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Is there any evidence that the Book of Enoch was written any earlier than 200 BC? If that is its correct date, then it was written 2000-4000 years after the events it describes.

And I don't think Jesus ever quoted or referred to the Book, or am I mistaken?

Bottom line, I don't know of any scholars, theologically liberal or conservative, that take it seriously. But again I may be wrong and am open to being corrected.
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Jesus appears to be alluding to the book in Matthew 22:29-30 apparently, however Jude does appear to quote 1 Enoch.

Jude 1:14 and 1 Enoch 1:9

Jude 1:14-15 - 14 - Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: "See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him."

1 Enoch 1:9 - 9 And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones, to execute judgement upon all, and to destroy all the ungodly: and to convict all flesh of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, and of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.
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Yep, I knew about the Jude quote. It's the attribution to Jesus that I was asking about. And I think that most discount the claim that Jesus was quoting from or referencing Enoch.

I'm not sure that the Jude quotation from Enoch means anything more than simply that Jude quoted from Enoch. Some have tried to use that to argue that Enoch was inspired and should be part of the Bible, but that seems quite a stretch.
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I'm not advocating one way or the other, as I know little about it.

But even excluding Enoch, Genesis 6 tells us that Nephilim exist and necessitated the flood. There's so much we don't know and so much that we can't explain other than by giants or other highly sophisticated societies prior to our current knowledge base.
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waco_aggie05 said:

I'm not advocating one way or the other, as I know little about it.

But even excluding Enoch, Genesis 6 tells us that Nephilim exist and necessitated the flood. There's so much we don't know and so much that we can't explain other than by giants or other highly sophisticated societies prior to our current knowledge base.
I agree - Genesis 6 does tell us that the Nephilim existed, but I'm not sure that they necessitated the flood. All that the Bible says is that:

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5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, "I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have createdand with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the groundfor I regret that I have made them." 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.
Now that passage is in Gen. 6 immediately after the Nephilim, but the Bible does not directly connect the Nephilim to the Flood.

And I'm not sure that we need giants (although they probably did exist) or highly sophisticated societies to explain what archaeology has revealed. Just because we don't know how to do something doesn't mean that the ancients didn't. We still can't figure out how the Romans were able to do some of the things they did. Heck, the ancient Babylonians had figured out trigonometry and possibly calculus. My guess is that the ancients were every bit as smart as us, if not smarter.
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I haven't listened to the podcast, but for a very scholarly and enlightening analysis of Nephilim and demons I recommend Michael Heiser. Unseen Realm and Demons are both good, but overlap by about 60%, so probably only need to read one or the other.

If the interest is in today's understanding of the spiritual realm, probably Unseen Realms. If the interest is in the discussion of Demons, the 70 "sons of God" in Deuteronomy, how demonic forces are treated differently in the Old and New Testament, and some discussion of Ephesians 6 related to spiritual princes and principalities, maybe Demons is better.

The books are dry, but objective and full of knowledge. There is some commentary about how spiritual forces are still at play in the modern world. That might or might not be to your liking or agreement, but I have found no better source of scholarly analysis about this subject, and Heiser's analysis is well supported. If you bristle about the discussion of the spiritual world at work in 2025, just skip over it. You can appreciate the scholarly analysis while still being skeptical about the modern stories about demon possession.

https://www.amazon.com/Unseen-Realm-Recovering-Supernatural-Worldview/dp/1577995562

Heiser also addresses Enoch as if it is a legitimate biblical source in other books. I am highly skeptical of the Book of Enoch due to the date in which it was written and some of the content of the book that are heretical compared to other biblical sources.
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Fun podcast to explore these theological ideas is blurry creatures
Id recommend starting with EP 19: Tim Alberino: The watchers and EP 34: Michael Heiser The forgotten Prologue.

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