loveaTm said:

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Renewing your Mind with RC Sproul

https://www.renewingyourmind.org/

He does both expository teaching as well as doctrine and philosophy. He's Reformed just so you know.

Fun fact: Dr. Sproul and Mr. Rogers went to seminary together

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CrackerJackAg said:

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loveaTm said:

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Renewing your Mind with RC Sproul

https://www.renewingyourmind.org/

He does both expository teaching as well as doctrine and philosophy. He's Reformed just so you know.

Fun fact: Dr. Sproul and Mr. Rogers went to seminary together

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RC Sproul is everything I have issues with about Protestantism encapsulated in human form.

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10andBOUNCE said:

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Funny thing is, it was the exact opposite during Colonialism and the founding of America. Calvinism is the "orthodox" Protestantism.

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10andBOUNCE said:

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Revolution is my my favorite, will have to table this for another day.

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AgLiving06 said:

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"The Word of the Lord Endures Forever" is a ~15 minute podcast put on by Pastor Will Weedon and goes verse by verse through the Bible (not in order).

Very much based in the historical church fathers.

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10andBOUNCE said:

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Funny thing is, it was the exact opposite during Colonialism and the founding of America. Calvinism is the "orthodox" Protestantism.

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Not going to bite my friend. Have a great night.

I will say there is a reason Ben Franklin and John Adams are my favorite founders.

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dermdoc said:

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CrackerJackAg said:

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loveaTm said:

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Renewing your Mind with RC Sproul

https://www.renewingyourmind.org/

He does both expository teaching as well as doctrine and philosophy. He's Reformed just so you know.

Fun fact: Dr. Sproul and Mr. Rogers went to seminary together

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RC Sproul is everything I have issues with about Protestantism encapsulated in human form.

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Just to be clea, as a Protestant, the majority of us do not ascribe to RC Sproul's theology. And I definitely do not want to be put in that group.

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CrackerJackAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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CrackerJackAg said:

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loveaTm said:

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Renewing your Mind with RC Sproul

https://www.renewingyourmind.org/

He does both expository teaching as well as doctrine and philosophy. He's Reformed just so you know.

Fun fact: Dr. Sproul and Mr. Rogers went to seminary together

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RC Sproul is everything I have issues with about Protestantism encapsulated in human form.

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Just to be clea, as a Protestant, the majority of us do not ascribe to RC Sproul's theology. And I definitely do not want to be put in that group.

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In order to avoid conflict with a lunatic, as soon as I hear somebody bring up RC Sprole, I just go back to doing what I was doing.

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10andBOUNCE said:

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CrackerJackAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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CrackerJackAg said:

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loveaTm said:

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Renewing your Mind with RC Sproul

https://www.renewingyourmind.org/

He does both expository teaching as well as doctrine and philosophy. He's Reformed just so you know.

Fun fact: Dr. Sproul and Mr. Rogers went to seminary together

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RC Sproul is everything I have issues with about Protestantism encapsulated in human form.

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Just to be clea, as a Protestant, the majority of us do not ascribe to RC Sproul's theology. And I definitely do not want to be put in that group.

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In order to avoid conflict with a lunatic, as soon as I hear somebody bring up RC Sprole, I just go back to doing what I was doing.

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Except on TexAgs?
At least spell Sproul correctly…give the man some respect

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I think the reality for non Protestant (especially Orthodox) people is that when you look across the Protestant landscape from Calvinist to Anglican all the way across to Mormonism and Jehovahs witness it all kind of looks like the same crazy landscape.

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CrackerJackAg said:

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I think the reality for non Protestant (especially Orthodox) people is that when you look across the Protestant landscape from Calvinist to Anglican all the way across to Mormonism and Jehovahs witness it all kind of looks like the same crazy landscape.

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You should look at bit more closely then, the last two aren't Christian.

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Yeah, it's an off shoot of protestantism and they will tell you all day long that they are Christian.

It's just one big wacky step after a bunch of little wacky steps away from the faith and Church.

"The Mormon faith, officially known as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), emerged in the early 19th century in the United States. It was founded by Joseph Smith in 1830 in upstate New York, during a period of religious revival known as the Second Great Awakening. Claiming to restore the original Christian church as established by Jesus Christ. However its origins were influenced by the broader Christian in the U.S. environment of the time, particularly Protestantism."

You may not like it, but they are just the current version of what Calvin and Luther & the whack dudes in Munich were a few hundred years ago

Give it a little bit longer and the Mormons will be calling somebody else "not even Christian."

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AGC said:

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CrackerJackAg said:

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powerbelly said:

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I think the reality for non Protestant (especially Orthodox) people is that when you look across the Protestant landscape from Calvinist to Anglican all the way across to Mormonism and Jehovahs witness it all kind of looks like the same crazy landscape.

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You should look at bit more closely then, the last two aren't Christian.

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Yeah, it's an off shoot of protestantism and they will tell you all day long that they are Christian.

It's just one big wacky step after a bunch of little wacky steps away from the faith and Church.

"The Mormon faith, officially known as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), emerged in the early 19th century in the United States. It was founded by Joseph Smith in 1830 in upstate New York, during a period of religious revival known as the Second Great Awakening. Claiming to restore the original Christian church as established by Jesus Christ. However its origins were influenced by the broader Christian in the U.S. environment of the time, particularly Protestantism."

You may not like it, but they are just the current version of what Calvin and Luther & the whack dudes in Munich were a few hundred years ago

Give it a little bit longer and the Mormons will be calling somebody else "not even Christian."

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They're actually not the current version of the reformation any more than Islam is, or the modalists, or arians. They're a group making claims about the nature of God fundamentally at odds with trinitarian orthodoxy and could not recite the creeds. You don't get to hand wave away heresy for a cheap shot.

Edit: our church recites the athanasian creed on Trinity Sunday every year, so I'm pretty confident there.

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CrackerJackAg said:

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AGC said:

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powerbelly said:

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I think the reality for non Protestant (especially Orthodox) people is that when you look across the Protestant landscape from Calvinist to Anglican all the way across to Mormonism and Jehovahs witness it all kind of looks like the same crazy landscape.

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You should look at bit more closely then, the last two aren't Christian.

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Yeah, it's an off shoot of protestantism and they will tell you all day long that they are Christian.

It's just one big wacky step after a bunch of little wacky steps away from the faith and Church.

"The Mormon faith, officially known as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), emerged in the early 19th century in the United States. It was founded by Joseph Smith in 1830 in upstate New York, during a period of religious revival known as the Second Great Awakening. Claiming to restore the original Christian church as established by Jesus Christ. However its origins were influenced by the broader Christian in the U.S. environment of the time, particularly Protestantism."

You may not like it, but they are just the current version of what Calvin and Luther & the whack dudes in Munich were a few hundred years ago

Give it a little bit longer and the Mormons will be calling somebody else "not even Christian."

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They're actually not the current version of the reformation any more than Islam is, or the modalists, or arians. They're a group making claims about the nature of God fundamentally at odds with trinitarian orthodoxy and could not recite the creeds. You don't get to hand wave away heresy for a cheap shot.

Edit: our church recites the athanasian creed on Trinity Sunday every year, so I'm pretty confident there.

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I don't understand what you are saying.

All of those things came previous to the reformation and were put down with a strong unified Church and hierarchy. Other than Islam, which will tell you they are a different faith.

Mormonism and JW are absolutely branches off of your tree. Silly to claim they aren't. No reformation, no "second enlightenment" no Mormons and no JW.

You are just accustom to your particular heresy, and don't see it as such any more, while not theirs because it's newer and more extreme than yours.

I'm glad you have a Trinitarian belief but that doesn't mean you get to "hand wave away heresy".

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AGC said:

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powerbelly said:

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I think the reality for non Protestant (especially Orthodox) people is that when you look across the Protestant landscape from Calvinist to Anglican all the way across to Mormonism and Jehovahs witness it all kind of looks like the same crazy landscape.

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You should look at bit more closely then, the last two aren't Christian.

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Yeah, it's an off shoot of protestantism and they will tell you all day long that they are Christian.

It's just one big wacky step after a bunch of little wacky steps away from the faith and Church.

"The Mormon faith, officially known as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), emerged in the early 19th century in the United States. It was founded by Joseph Smith in 1830 in upstate New York, during a period of religious revival known as the Second Great Awakening. Claiming to restore the original Christian church as established by Jesus Christ. However its origins were influenced by the broader Christian in the U.S. environment of the time, particularly Protestantism."

You may not like it, but they are just the current version of what Calvin and Luther & the whack dudes in Munich were a few hundred years ago

Give it a little bit longer and the Mormons will be calling somebody else "not even Christian."

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They're actually not the current version of the reformation any more than Islam is, or the modalists, or arians. They're a group making claims about the nature of God fundamentally at odds with trinitarian orthodoxy and could not recite the creeds. You don't get to hand wave away heresy for a cheap shot.

Edit: our church recites the athanasian creed on Trinity Sunday every year, so I'm pretty confident there.

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I don't understand what you are saying.

All of those things came previous to the reformation and were put down with a strong unified Church and hierarchy. Other than Islam, which will tell you they are a different faith.

Mormonism and JW are absolutely branches off of your tree. Silly to claim they aren't. No reformation, no "second enlightenment" no Mormons and no JW.

You are just accustom to your particular heresy, and don't see it as such any more, while not theirs because it's newer and more extreme than yours.

I'm glad you have a Trinitarian belief but that doesn't mean you get to "hand wave away heresy".

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Clearly. My point is that trinitarian heresy is heresy no matter what time period and a smug orthobro isn't the authority on the cutoff dates for responsibility.

I seem to remember Arianism going a much different way than you do, too, as far as a 'strong unified Church' pushing back against it. Glass houses and all.

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