Illinois Priest using the Eucharist as a prop

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8:09a, 10/13/25
This is a stunt pure and simple, no jail allows random people to show up and demand to visit prisoners; and they know that.

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9:08a, 10/13/25
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Why do you use the word "jail" when it is described as a "detention center"? I read that there are children and families inside. Maybe you are using the center as a prop for your agenda?
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In reply to PabloSerna • 9:29a, 10/13/25
PabloSerna said:
Why do you use the word "jail" when it is described as a "detention center"? I read that there are children and families inside. Maybe you are using the center as a prop for your agenda?


Thank you for the point of order, Pablo, and I apologize for misspeaking. Replace the word "jail" with "detention center" and then actually address the point I made. I'll ask you to gloss over any typos or grammatical errors I may have made as well that would allow you to distract from the actual post.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 9:41a, 10/13/25
PabloSerna said:
Why do you use the word "jail" when it is described as a "detention center"? I read that there are children and families inside. Maybe you are using the center as a prop for your agenda?

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In reply to PabloSerna • 10:16a, 10/13/25
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PabloSerna said:
Why do you use the word "jail" when it is described as a "detention center"? I read that there are children and families inside. Maybe you are using the center as a prop for your agenda?

Because that doesn't matter to the point he was making, but you already knew that.
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10:29a, 10/13/25
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I think the words we use matter and I wanted to make sure this was in fact a jail and not something else. Reading that it was in fact a detention center without prison guards, hardened criminals, etc.; it would seem a legitimate question- do these people deserve spiritual nourishment while they await their deportation?

I had not thought about it until now and I cannot help but think "why not"? Maybe you have a better reason to deny them Christ? Please explain.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 10:43a, 10/13/25
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do these people deserve spiritual nourishment while they await their deportation?

Absolutely, and there is in fact a way for that to happen.

The diocese knows how to do it, but they chose a publicity stunt instead of actually performing their calling.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 10:58a, 10/13/25
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I think the words we use matter and I wanted to make sure this was in fact a jail and not something else. Reading that it was in fact a detention center without prison guards, hardened criminals, etc.; it would seem a legitimate question- do these people deserve spiritual nourishment while they await their deportation?

I had not thought about it until now and I cannot help but think "why not"? Maybe you have a better reason to deny them Christ? Please explain.


Theyve denied themselves Christ. Imagine the amount of hubris an illegal immigrant must have to listen to the President of the United States scream for years that if he gets re-elected he's going to prosecute the biggest deportation program the country has ever seen, and then to top it off, hires Tom Homan, and Stephen Miller as key officials overseeing immigration policy, both foaming at the mouth to deport people; and then being shocked you're being deported.

Shame on them. Shame on the example they're setting for their children. They have had AMPLE time to self-deport. Their actions have consequences.

Where were these priests during Covid? Were they demanding entry into hospital wings to bring the Eucharist to those who were sick?

I guarantee you you were not so charitable with those who refused to vaccinate or wear masks that were denied entry into churches. Were you? Were you okay with denying Christ to them?
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In reply to Quo Vadis? • 11:42a, 10/13/25
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If I understand you correctly, you say it is "hubris" (excessive pride) that has cost them any spiritual nourishment from the word of God or the sacraments.

Some immigrants (actually many) have claimed otherwise, like escaping a real danger or trying to give their family a better life. Were they lying? No one, especially the Catholic Church, is saying that a country cannot regulate its borders. They are saying that it should be done humanely and as Catholics we believe that the sacraments are just as important as food, water, and shelter.

Your COVID argument rings hollow to me because I recall drive by Eucharistic services, masses outside in parking lots with people/families sitting 6 feet apart, no taking from the cup (consecrated wine), televised masses with a spiritual communion prayer, and other means to bring Christ to the faithful.

Leave it to the Jesuits to bring up a real concern we as Americans should really answer. If we are going to detain people here illegally, should we not also ensure their spiritual needs are met as well? You say there is a way to do that, however, if you read about this incident, their requests were denied repeatedly. Thankfully, they understood the message of Christ better than most and did a good thing- bring Christ (literally) to the people.

Hopefully this gets corrected and the people can be fed spiritually.

ETA: I re-read your question about COVID and I believe you are citing a situation in which a Church (don't recall which) required masks among other measures to attend mass. Not sure of when this occurred, before we knew anything or as we were coming out of the shutdown- in any case, not being a doctor but I do recall that COVID was especially deadly to persons with respiratory issues. In fact, there was a lot of confusion about the methods of prevention of spreading COVID that turned out to be wrong.

In any case, I agree that we should not politicize the Eucharist at any point. I recall having to wear a mask as well in the communion line and then unmasking to consume, then masking up again. Seemed silly to me at the time because I figured I compromised myself at that particular moment- but I complied out of respect for others. Maybe that is the difference?


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In reply to PabloSerna • 11:49a, 10/13/25
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, however, if you read about this incident, their requests were denied repeatedly

The only thing I can find is from this person:

"ICE has completely shut down and [is] not allowing any ministers inside to provide communion and religious support for many weeks now," said spokesperson Sarah Rand of the Coalition for Spiritual and Public Leadership. Rand was unsure whether any attempts by other groups had been successful."

So they have been denied, but not others? Seems relevant.
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In reply to powerbelly • 11:59a, 10/13/25
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This was done by Jesuits and covered by the Jesuit online magazine, America. Here is the LINK -it is down in the priest's comments.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 12:10p, 10/13/25
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If I understand you correctly, you say it is "hubris" (excessive pride) that has cost them any spiritual nourishment from the word of God or the sacraments.

Some immigrants (actually many) have claimed otherwise, like escaping a real danger or trying to give their family a better life. Were they lying? No one, especially the Catholic Church, is saying that a county cannot regulate its borders. They are saying that it should be done humanely and as Catholics we believe that the sacraments are just as important as food, water, and shelter.

Your COVID argument rings hollow to me because I recall drive by Eucharistic services, masses outside in parking lots with people/families sitting 6 feet apart, no taking from the cup (consecrated wine), televised masses with a spiritual communion prayer, and other means to bring Christ to the faithful.

Leave it to the Jesuits to bring up a real concern we as Americans should really answer. If we are going to detain people here illegally, should we not also ensure their spiritual needs are met as well? You say there is a way to do that, however, if you read about this incident, their requests were denied repeatedly. Thankfully, they understood the message of Christ better than most and did a good thing- bring Christ (literally) to the people.

Hopefully this gets corrected and the people can be fed spiritually.





Leave it to the Jesuits to virtue signal on whatever hot button social topic du jour is being signaled by their leftist overlords, and jump into high gear.

When did we whitewash any sort of behavior if it was done for some perceived benefit? Catholic morality 101 is that the ends don't justify the means. A starving man stealing bread from a billionaire has committed a crime and a sin, even if his culpability is very low. That doesn't make his theft not a sin.

Their hubris has put them in a position where they are unable to access the sacraments at that moment in time. I don't get to kick the door down to the rectory at 3 am and demand a priest hear my confession.

You don't remember masses being canceled? All masses? Reconciliation? I remember all of that happening, except in the SSPX of course.

You'd be amazed at how spiritually fed these people would have been in Mexico, Central or Southern America. Our dear Pope Leo was a former Bishop of Peru as you might remember.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 12:24p, 10/13/25
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He said the coalition had "made every effort to communicate with ICE ahead of this visit," but "ICE turned away our peaceful delegation."

"The crowd's shouts of 'let them in, let them in' quickly turned to 'shame, shame' as folks realized that ICE would not let Jesus, present in the Eucharist, into the facility," Father Inczauskis wrote. "Jesus was knocking at the federal agents' door, and they would not let him in."


"We witnessed another level of evil," he added. "Not only are migrants being torn away from their families and friends, they are also being torn away from their religious communities. ICE is severing the Body of Christ."

I think this is less than clear. They made attempt about a protest visit, that is not the same as asking to visit, quietly, privately. You know, like every other religious leader would do.

Also, ICE does not have the power to sever the Body of Christ.
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12:32p, 10/13/25
The churches back home will welcome them with open arms. And since these tend to be short term stays in these facilities, they can get by in the interim with whatever daily prayers they prefer.
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12:34p, 10/13/25
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Perhaps the Archdiocese of Chicago should follow the lead of the Archdiocese of Miami regarding gaining access for pastoral care. As opposed to using our Blessed Lord in a political stunt.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article311578479.html
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12:41p, 10/13/25
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I'll also add that I'm encouraged that leading Church prelates have begun to speak about the right/duty of the host nation to regulate immigration (I'm looking at you, Vatican City). Progress is being made, however I have yet to hear the same prelates cite the duty of the immigrants to obey the laws of their potential host country. With a little more time, I believe we'll get there.
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1:16p, 10/13/25
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I think what I am trying to understand from the Catholic Christians here is whether you see these fellow (detained) Catholics and others as worthy of the saving grace given through the Eucharist and word of the gospel- while they await deportation?

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In reply to PabloSerna • 1:19p, 10/13/25
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PabloSerna said:
I think what I am trying to understand from the Catholic Christians here is whether you see these fellow (detained) Catholics and others as worthy of the saving grace given through the Eucharist and word of the gospel- while they await deportation?


The answer has been an obvious and resounding yes. You just have chosen to ignore it.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 1:59p, 10/13/25
sigh

Not a single one of us is questioning the need or desire to minister to detainees. We are questioning the use of the Eucharist as political theater.
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In reply to jkag89 • 8:58p, 10/13/25
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jkag89 said:
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Not a single one of us is questioning the need or desire to minister to detainees. We are questioning the use of the Eucharist as political theater.


Bingo. Matthew 6:5 comes to mind with this type of theater.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 7:21a, 10/14/25
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We do see them as needing the Gospel and Christ in the Eucharist because we believe that the salvation of souls is the supreme law of the Church.
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10:48a, 10/14/25
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Jesuits.

Clown show.
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In reply to jkag89 • 4:17p, 10/14/25
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A Eucharistic procession is never theater. That's the real deal. Didn't know only certain people have a monopoly on when that can or cannot happen?

ETA: Mr. Thunderclap, making fun of a religious order at any point is not a good thing and speaks volumes of your position. Please take to F16 if you want to go down that road.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 7:20p, 10/14/25
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PabloSerna said:
A Eucharistic procession is never theater. That's the real deal. Didn't know only certain people have a monopoly on when that can or cannot happen?

ETA: Mr. Thunderclap, making fun of a religious order at any point is not a good thing and speaks volumes of your position. Please take to F16 if you want to go down that road.


- Eucharist procession should never be used as theater. It is the real deal. Unfortunately, someone decided to abuse it by not respecting and being reverent, to try and score political points.

No one is claiming anyone has a monopoly on anything. The priest has ever right and should hold processions, however to do so in this manner and intention is disrespectful and should be called out.

Done be obtuse.
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In reply to SoulSlaveAG2005 • 8:35p, 10/14/25
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Done be obtuse.

It's his schtick on here. The next time he wants to have an honest discussion will be the first.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 10:25p, 10/14/25
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Would you say the same if I joked about Opus Dei or Dominicans?
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In reply to powerbelly • 12:01a, 10/15/25
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SoulSlaveAG2005 said:


Done be obtuse.

It's his schtick on here. The next time he wants to have an honest discussion will be the first.


I forgot who said it, but "90% of debating a progressive is them pretending not to understand the obvious"
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In reply to Mr. Thunderclap McGirthy • 3:05p, 10/15/25
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Mr. Thunderclap McGirthy said:
Would you say the same if I joked about Opus Dei or Dominicans?

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In reply to Mr. Thunderclap McGirthy • 10:47a, 10/16/25
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As a professed Dominican, you would at least be saying it so that I could respond.
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In reply to Quo Vadis? • 10:50a, 10/16/25
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You cannot have an honest discussion with someone holding a gun to your head- as the saying goes. It is clear that you jumped to a conclusion with your choice of words and now want to switch the topic.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 10:53a, 10/16/25
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A Dominican, a Franciscan, and a Carmelite were arguing about which order God loved best, so they prayed for a sign. A piece of paper floated down from heaven that read, "All orders are equal in my sight." It was signed, "God, O.P."
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In reply to Mr. Thunderclap McGirthy • 10:56a, 10/16/25
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Mr. Thunderclap McGirthy said:
A Dominican, a Franciscan, and a Carmelite were arguing about which order God loved best, so they prayed for a sign. A piece of paper floated down from heaven that read, "All orders are equal in my sight." It was signed, "God, O.P."

If you had the ability to forever suppress one religious order, which one would it be, and why would it be the Jesuits?
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In reply to 747Ag • 11:09a, 10/16/25
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I can't speak for the entire order but my first experience with a maryknoll priest was very upsetting. The priest had an amazing gift of languages and was a smart as you can get. He was American from Chicago I think. White guy. He was the most anti USA anti white dude I've known. Had nothing good to say about our country or white people. Weird because he was one.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 12:03p, 10/16/25
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You cannot have an honest discussion with someone holding a gun to your head- as the saying goes. It is clear that you jumped to a conclusion with your choice of words and now want to switch the topic.


I have zero desire to switch the topic. The fact that you don't understand how a priest leading an impromptu Eucharist procession up to a DETENTION CENTER, and being befuddled as to why he's not let in, shows you're not a serious person.

He absolutely knew he wasn't going to be let in. He had a greater chance of showing up in person, and asking to be let in to minister to the detained, but he didn't do that did he? He chose to make a big spectacle and used Christ himself as a prop.
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