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Kenneth_2003
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Ag87H2O said:

From Wilmore's account in that article -

"I don't know that we can come back to Earth at that point. I don't know if we can. And matter of fact, I'm thinking we probably can't. So there we are, loss of 6DOF control, four aft thrusters down, and I'm visualizing orbital mechanics. The space station is nose down. So we're not exactly level with the station, but below it. If you're below the station, you're moving faster. That's orbital mechanics. It's going to make you move away from the station. So I'm doing all of this in my mind. I don't know what control I have. What if I lose another thruster? What if we lose comm? What am I going to do?"

The Starliner docking was a lot dicier that I understood it to be. That is scary stuff. After the thruster problems, I completely understand why they were reluctant to return in Starliner and decided to wait for the next available Dragon.
I'd always understood they were deep into the backup thrusters, but this makes it sound a lot dicier than I originally thought.

I completely understand why NASA would say, "Any reliance on a backup in the primary role will not be approved for human flight."

If it's too dicey NASA might not want that vehicle anywhere near the space station.
Mathguy64
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I'm shocked they were allowed to dock to ISS without 6DF. Then again the options were dock or try and ride it back.
Get Off My Lawn
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Mathguy64 said:

I'm shocked they were allowed to dock to ISS without 6DF. Then again the options were dock or try and ride it back.
Given the choice of reentry or docking with a failing ship… I'm going to want to attempt docking. Let's say thrusters fail you in either scenario:

In a failed attempt to dock you perhaps bump into the space station or separate from it. Then you have to figure out an reapproach with emergency reentry as a Hail Mary.

In a failed reentry you very probably die.
Mathguy64
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There would have been a plan C. Suit up, open the hatch, jump over and grab something.
TXAG 05
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Fightin_Aggie said:

double aught said:

A scorched Falcon 9 should have a place in the Smithsonian at some point. Remarkable machine.
There is one at Johnson space center rocket garden


Did they move it to the rocket garden or is it still on the side of the visitor center?

Always thought our garden was a little lacking, yes we have the Saturn V, but other than that there is a Mercury Redstone, a Little Joe and a couple engines. An Atlas and Titan would be nice, even fake ones just so people could see what they were like.
nortex97
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Mathguy64 said:

There would have been a plan C. Suit up, open the hatch, jump over and grab something.
Really? That would have been…dramatic.
tamfal86
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Mathguy64 said:

There would have been a plan C. Suit up, open the hatch, jump over and grab something.
I suspect Plan C might be to have the SSRMS try to snag the capsule
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TXAG 05 said:

Fightin_Aggie said:

double aught said:

A scorched Falcon 9 should have a place in the Smithsonian at some point. Remarkable machine.
There is one at Johnson space center rocket garden


Did they move it to the rocket garden or is it still on the side of the visitor center?

Always thought our garden was a little lacking, yes we have the Saturn V, but other than that there is a Mercury Redstone, a Little Joe and a couple engines. An Atlas and Titan would be nice, even fake ones just so people could see what they were like.


I don't think they would move it. Looks like a permanent display near the visitor center
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nortex97 said:

Mathguy64 said:

There would have been a plan C. Suit up, open the hatch, jump over and grab something.
Really? That would have been…dramatic.
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will25u
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Beautiful view of FL.

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pdc093
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Another successful mission.
Can't WAIT to see the footage!
nortex97
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Hope he's right!
RED AG 98
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This thread should never drop off page 1

Here's some awesome footage from ISS with a bonus surprise beginning at 0:28

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RED AG 98 said:

This thread should never drop off page 1

Here's some awesome footage from ISS with a bonus surprise beginning at 0:28


Bravo!
bthotugigem05
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It really is crazy how often they need to adjust the altitude and pitch/yaw of the ISS. That's actually the reason that the Soyuz launches dock so quickly with the ISS versus the Crew Dragons taking 23ish hours, they have to position the station very precisely depending on the vehicle being launched towards it.
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bthotugigem05 said:

It really is crazy how often they need to adjust the altitude and pitch/yaw of the ISS. That's actually the reason that the Soyuz launches dock so quickly with the ISS versus the Crew Dragons taking 23ish hours, they have to position the station very precisely depending on the vehicle being launched towards it.

Well that, and the Soyuz just gets up there faster right?
bthotugigem05
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It takes a more aggressive flight profile as well, yes, but the ISS plays a role in it.
Kenneth_2003
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It's sometihing to do with the design of the Soyuz. It launches direct to the station. Dragon is put into an orbit that will intersect or catch up to the station. I don't know the precise mechanics...
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Kenneth_2003 said:

It's sometihing to do with the design of the Soyuz. It launches direct to the station. Dragon is put into an orbit that will intersect or catch up to the station. I don't know the precise mechanics...
I would imagine the Soyuz burns more fuel in the process.
Ag_of_08
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The direct launch should be the more efficient method.

ISS was placed in an orbit that allowed the more limited Russian capability to reach it. If i remember the whole story right, the analog flight computer on the R7/Soyuz family that was in use until recently pretty well locked them into that inclination.
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I knew I shouldn't have dropped AERO before getting to the space magic class... Orbits are hard
munch96
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It will be nice to have a shuttle back in Houston if it comes to pass….

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Sens. John Cornyn and Ted Cruz, both Republicans, introduced a bill on Thursday that would move space shuttle Discovery from the Smithsonian's National Air and Space Museum in Virginia to a nonprofit near the Johnson Space Center in Houston likely Space Center Houston, though that's not spelled out in the bill.
"It's long overdue for a retired NASA space shuttle to rest at Houston's Johnson Space Center so Texans can see, learn from and enjoy it for generations," said Gov. Greg Abbott in a statement, who is supportive of the federal effort.


https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/space/article/cornyn-cruz-bill-space-shuttle-houston-20267987.php

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**** Charles bolden & Obama for bypassing the home of human spaceflight to give an orbiter to ****ing NY. The Smithsonian one should remain. We should get NY's or LAs.
AtticusMatlock
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At the time of selection Obama was in a public spat with Rick Perry. It was definitely a directed middle finger. The Intrepid museum in NY had zero logical reason to get a shuttle. Just a political favor. Disgusting.
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inconvenient truth said:

**** Charles bolden & Obama for bypassing the home of human spaceflight to give an orbiter to ****ing NY. The Smithsonian one should remain. We should get NY's or LAs.


The Enterprise, which is the one in NY, was just for tests and not capable of going to space. It was in DC until they got Discovery. I agree that Enterprise should go back to DC and we get Discovery. New York can have the replica that is currently here in Houston.
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munch96 said:

It will be nice to have a shuttle back in Houston if it comes to pass….

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Sens. John Cornyn and Ted Cruz, both Republicans, introduced a bill on Thursday that would move space shuttle Discovery from the Smithsonian's National Air and Space Museum in Virginia to a nonprofit near the Johnson Space Center in Houston likely Space Center Houston, though that's not spelled out in the bill.
"It's long overdue for a retired NASA space shuttle to rest at Houston's Johnson Space Center so Texans can see, learn from and enjoy it for generations," said Gov. Greg Abbott in a statement, who is supportive of the federal effort.


https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/space/article/cornyn-cruz-bill-space-shuttle-houston-20267987.php


It was total BS not to bring one here, but that ship has sailed. Would be stupid to waste money moving it from there to Houston.
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Not sure how that's possible.

The 747 that used to fly Shuttles across country is currently sitting next to Space Center Houston's parking lot with a fake Shuttle on its back. SCH spent $12 million putting it there. That would probably be insignificant compared to the cost to undo that exhibit, go get Discovery, then move both back from Ellington. If that 747 can even fly again after being taken apart and reassembled to be put at SCH. Having a fake Shuttle is kind of nice for SCH: the inside is lifelike and people can go inside and look around, with a real Shuttle visitors can't go inside.
Discovery is currently in a really cool hangar at Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center with a SR-71, a Concord, and the Enola Gay along with many other great planes. Recommend you go if you get a chance.


I'm not sure SCH deserves a Shuttle. They have a Saturn V that was left to rot in Houston weather for decades before needing $5 million to repair it. They then covered it in a very ugly shed. They learned nothing from that mistake because they also have a Little Joe and a Mercury-Redstone sitting outside still and they look like they are in very bad shape. Also, across the street they have a Falcon booster sitting outside and the 747 with a fake Shuttle. IMO until they can show they are willing to take care of the rockets they have they shouldn't get another. KSC's Saturn V and Shuttle Atlantis exhibits and the California Science Center nearly complete Shuttle Endevour exhibit puts SCH to shame.
Rapier108
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If it happens, they should move Enterprise from NYC. Never should have gone there in the first place. That was Obama giving the middle finger to Texas.

Discovery belongs right where it is.
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Decay
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Yeah I was about to say the fake shuttle is still a great exhibit and the 747 is awesome. Don't mess with it.
Quad Dog
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No body really wants Enterprise that never flew to space and doesn't really have any association with Houston.
torrid
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Truth be told Space Center Houston is pretty lame.
Ag83
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Quad Dog said:

No body really wants Enterprise that never flew to space and doesn't really have any association with Houston.
Huh? The Orbiter Project was managed out of Houston. It has as much association with Houston as any Orbiter that went to space. And way more association with Houston than NYC.
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