OK, I did some more research on this. His PR in the 400M was 57.38. He needed to be closer to 0:51 to qualify for district. He was only at the meet as a 4x400 alternate. 0:57 is way too slow to ever see the track. He was never going to race that day in the relays or an individual race (which he didn't qualify for). He was just a kid with time to spare roaming around the track not prepping for any race. His fastest 100m time for the season was only 12.38. Like the 400, that time is probably not good enough for most 3A district meets. Would love the state to have pushed this question a little more. "Why was he even there?"

Correction, maybe 52 something would have been fast enough, but his PB of 57 is about 50 meters short.

You're getting bogged down on side issues. "Why was he there?" is irrelevant to the fact that he murdered a kid.

If he was an alternate or a participant doesn't change the fact that he stabbed Austin Metcalf to death.

FriscoKid said:

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OK, I did some more research on this. His PR in the 400M was 57.38. He needed to be closer to 0:51 to qualify for district. He was only at the meet as a 4x400 alternate. 0:57 is way too slow to ever see the track. He was never going to race that day in the relays or an individual race (which he didn't qualify for). He was just a kid with time to spare roaming around the track not prepping for any race. His fastest 100m time for the season was only 12.38. Like the 400, that time is probably not good enough for most 3A district meets. Would love the state to have pushed this question a little more. "Why was he even there?"

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I think that might put that witness on the defensive. Might take it as the prosecutor pointing the finger at him and clam up.

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OK, I did some more research on this. His PR in the 400M was 57.38. He needed to be closer to 0:51 to qualify for district. He was only at the meet as a 4x400 alternate. 0:57 is way too slow to ever see the track. He was never going to race that day in the relays or an individual race (which he didn't qualify for). He was just a kid with time to spare roaming around the track not prepping for any race. His fastest 100m time for the season was only 12.38. Like the 400, that time is probably not good enough for most 3A district meets. Would love the state to have pushed this question a little more. "Why was he even there?"

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None of this matters.


End of day he posted on social media the night before saying he was gonna F someone up at the meet (somehow this was disqualified from trial), then he went and provoked, and murdered a kid.

F him and his parents for raising a little *****

Does Dallas burn when this kid gets convicted?

Backyard Gator said:

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You're getting bogged down on side issues. "Why was he there?" is irrelevant to the fact that he murdered a kid.

If he was an alternate or a participant doesn't change the fact that he stabbed Austin Metcalf to death.

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It's does a lot to discredit the coach that raised cardo up as a star athlete and a team captain. A time of 0:57 would finish in the bottom half of most MS district meets in competitive 5A/6A districts. I understand the facts of the case, but why not go for broke and leave no doubt to discredit any defense of him? You don't want the jury to think he was "dabbing it up" with competitors. He wasn't really even part of the track team.

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Does Dallas burn when this kid gets convicted?

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Dallas? Maybe. Frisco? Not a chance. Local government will open the doors to any and all state and federal law enforcement to swat that down real fast.

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FriscoKid said:

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OK, I did some more research on this. His PR in the 400M was 57.38. He needed to be closer to 0:51 to qualify for district. He was only at the meet as a 4x400 alternate. 0:57 is way too slow to ever see the track. He was never going to race that day in the relays or an individual race (which he didn't qualify for). He was just a kid with time to spare roaming around the track not prepping for any race. His fastest 100m time for the season was only 12.38. Like the 400, that time is probably not good enough for most 3A district meets. Would love the state to have pushed this question a little more. "Why was he even there?"

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None of this matters.


End of day he posted on social media the night before saying he was gonna F someone up at the meet (somehow this was disqualified from trial), then he went and provoked, and murdered a kid.

F him and his parents for raising a little *****

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I kinda remember this. Is there a link to that post that someone can share?

Not downtown Dallas. It's already a half-vacant mix of homeless, never finish's road repair and trash.
Oh, and the piss and weed aromas EVERY. WHERE.

If I were a fatass, boisterous and ignorant KA fanboy I'd go burn and loot somewhere nicer than downtown

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Not downtown Dallas. It's already a half-vacant mix of homeless, never finish's road repair and trash.
Oh, and the piss and weed aromas EVERY. WHERE.

If I were a fatass, boisterous and ignorant KA fanboy I'd go burn and loot somewhere nicer than downtown

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So Garland?

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Backyard Gator said:

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You're getting bogged down on side issues. "Why was he there?" is irrelevant to the fact that he murdered a kid.

If he was an alternate or a participant doesn't change the fact that he stabbed Austin Metcalf to death.

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It's does a lot to discredit the coach that raised cardo up as a star athlete and a team captain. A time of 0:57 would finish in the bottom half of most MS district meets in competitive 5A/6A districts. I understand the facts of the case, but why not go for broke and leave no doubt to discredit any defense of him? You don't want the jury to think he was "dabbing it up" with competitors. He wasn't really even part of the track team.

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Even if he was a 'star athlete and team captain', it doesn't change the fact that he stabbed Austin Metcalf in cold blood.

You're distracted by minutiae and ignoring the bloody knife right in front of your face.

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itsyourboypookie said:

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Does Dallas burn when this kid gets convicted?

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Dallas? Maybe. Frisco? Not a chance. Local government will open the doors to any and all state and federal law enforcement to swat that down real fast.

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Cheney's too busy selling homes at the Fields Ranch.

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Does Dallas burn when this kid gets convicted?

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No. There are very few people on his side. There are a couple of loud people on Twitter, but it's nothing like George Floyd. Most national news isn't really covering it. There are a couple of people who are trying to make it into something, but I actually don't think they believe what they are saying. They are just trying to start chaos, but I don't think it will work.

Muy said:

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FriscoKid said:

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itsyourboypookie said:

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Does Dallas burn when this kid gets convicted?

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Dallas? Maybe. Frisco? Not a chance. Local government will open the doors to any and all state and federal law enforcement to swat that down real fast.

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Cheney's too busy selling homes at the Fields Ranch.

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All the more reason for him to open up ALL resources to put down any potential "riots". Cities burn when leaders want them to burn so they can score political points. Less than 0% chance Frisco burns after KA is found guilty.

Maybe riots would result in seeing thousands of loaded up minivans and Tesla's packed up and leaving town for good?

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The cross was important. There WAS a kid there that did know KA. He testified that he "dabbed" him (pretty sure that's the driving your closed first down onto their, then their reciprocate their first down onto yours, followed by a first bump). Then he WAS asked to leave.

The coach DID say they have to ask kids to leave from time to time.

Heck when I swam I tried my shy hand at flirting with girls on the other team. No tents, but certainly in their "area" of the bleachers.

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Its quite obvious from everything said that he was unwelcome and uninvited. He was either there to provide a response or to steal. Everyone told him to get out of their team's space. This wasn't being sociable or thinking what he was doing was normal or ok.

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Kenneth_2003 said:

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The cross was important. There WAS a kid there that did know KA. He testified that he "dabbed" him (pretty sure that's the driving your closed first down onto their, then their reciprocate their first down onto yours, followed by a first bump). Then he WAS asked to leave.

The coach DID say they have to ask kids to leave from time to time.

Heck when I swam I tried my shy hand at flirting with girls on the other team. No tents, but certainly in their "area" of the bleachers.

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Its quite obvious from everything said that he was unwelcome and uninvited. He was either there to provide a response or to steal. Everyone told him to get out of their team's space. This wasn't being sociable or thinking what he was doing was normal or ok.

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"Bro, what are you doing here?" "Can you leave". "I'm not gonna fight you at a track meet." Sounds like bullying and threatening to a point of self-defense against a mob. He shouldn't have been in their area or even at the meet to begin with.

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Correction, maybe 52 something would have been fast enough, but his PB of 57 is about 50 meters short.

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47.25 won state in 5A with 49.31 finishing last. State record is 45.24 over 30 years ago.

Wind aided, no doubt!!

itsyourboypookie said:

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Does Dallas burn when this kid gets convicted?

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Don't think so but random Stabbing whites by the extreme lunatics will become the new knockout game

itsyourboypookie said:

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Does Dallas burn when this kid gets convicted?

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Greenwood, OK style? Probably not.

itsyourboypookie said:

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Does Dallas burn when this kid gets convicted?

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Of course. That's all these people know. And as I stated a number of pages back, when it does burn, I hope the authorities stack bodies. In fact, I'm at the point where I'm perfectly fine with vigilantes dropping the rioters and agitators. I'm done with this nonsense. I want my country back.

FriscoKid said:

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OK, I did some more research on this. His PR in the 400M was 57.38. He needed to be closer to 0:51 to qualify for district. He was only at the meet as a 4x400 alternate. 0:57 is way too slow to ever see the track. He was never going to race that day in the relays or an individual race (which he didn't qualify for). He was just a kid with time to spare roaming around the track not prepping for any race. His fastest 100m time for the season was only 12.38. Like the 400, that time is probably not good enough for most 3A district meets. Would love the state to have pushed this question a little more. "Why was he even there?"

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While I agree with Backyard Gator's take, yeah, 55+ is a JV time in the 400. My kid ran a sub-52 at district (we're a tiny 4A, as in 30ish students away from being a large 3A) which got him to the area meet, but not past it. All the "star track athlete" stuff on Facebook is complete BS.

And getting caught with a knife of any sort on campus or UIL event would get a student automatically suspended. If they had prior problems to getting caught, it would send them to the alternative learning program for the remainder of the year.

Based on everything I've read anywhere concerning this is that Karmelo went there looking to injure/kill a white boy and he wasn't real particular about which one.

And to the repugnant ferals defending Karmelo, good job on bringing racism back.

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Late to this thread so apologies if it has been discussed….

I've heard conflicting reports on if KA was competing that day or was just there. Anyone know which it is?

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Yes, he was competing in the murder competition. He got first place.

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I still find it surprising that a 0:57 was good enough in the 400M to qualify for the district meet in varsity. I'd be surprised if that was fast enough even for JV. I was looking up his times on athletic net and tx mile split to see what he even qualified for and there isn't much there.

I guess he really did have a top 8 district time in one of the events, but I couldn't find what event it might have been in.

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Maybe he was bogged down while carrying all his knives.

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End of day he posted on social media the night before saying he was gonna F someone up at the meet (somehow this was disqualified from trial), then he went and provoked, and murdered a kid.

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Another one of the many pre-trial rumors that went around about this. That supposed post doesn't seem to exist. It also would have never been disqualified from trial.

the state didn't push back on "why was he there" because it creates a burden of proof that doesn't exist and makes their job harder. his coach testified he was competing. bringing in someone to say he wasn't supposed to be there creates in the jury's mind a question they must answer.

its minutia that doesn't help the state's case.

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FriscoKid said:

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Correction, maybe 52 something would have been fast enough, but his PB of 57 is about 50 meters short.

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47.25 won state in 5A with 49.31 finishing last. State record is 45.24 over 30 years ago.

Wind aided, no doubt!!

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Only in one direction.

Hey...so.. um said:

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I grew up going to track meets in Aldine and North Houston. Never really had any issues, but I didn't go looking for trouble either. Kept with my team and didn't really engage with anyone else. We usually had like 40 or so guys there and maybe 2-3 coaches.

Edit to add that our school didn't have money for tents, nor did the schools we competed against. Did go to one track meet at the woodlands and many of those schools had tents.

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Yeah, my time was in the early70s. NO one had tents then. Every one just sat around in the infield ( football field) and mostly kept to theirselves, with the exception of us from Lindsay and those from Muenster, as we knew some of each other. Mostly we tried to sit somewhere around the St. Jo crew, as their girls had just discovered hot pants. But then again, this was far north TX, and it was just about all white kids, unless Commerce showed up.

The defense keeps rolling out these little side shows trying to bait the prosecution into helping them muddy the case, They've done a good job of staying away from them.

If anyone wants to tune in, this guy is live on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/live/_bciPhPmxq0?si=kgX0PR5OsISLI41Q

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Not downtown Dallas. It's already a half-vacant mix of homeless, never finish's road repair and trash.
Oh, and the piss and weed aromas EVERY. WHERE.

If I were a fatass, boisterous and ignorant KA fanboy I'd go burn and loot somewhere nicer than downtown

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Yeah, but you can get away with it there because no one os there that cares of it's as bad as you say. You get into the nicer areas, you p*ss people with money off, so they shut that down quick.

Has there been any testimony on why Anthony brought a knife to a track meet? If I was a juror I would want to know why the knife was in the bag and what was in Anthony's mind when he packed it. The track meet was on school property so he committed a crime just for possessing it. Was he expecting to get into an altercation? Hundreds of people there including coaches, admins, police, etc it wouldn't be difficult to avoid trouble at an athletic event so why do you need a blade unless you were the one looking for trouble.

His last SM post a few hours before the stabbing was a photo of him with a lighter giving the middle finger so sure looks to me like he was searching for trouble.

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Has there been any testimony on why Anthony brought a knife to a track meet? If I was a juror I would want to know why the knife was in the bag and what was in Anthony's mind when he packed it. The track meet was on school property so he committed a crime just for possessing it. Was he expecting to get into an altercation? Hundreds of people there including coaches, admins, police, etc it wouldn't be difficult to avoid trouble at an athletic event so why do you need a blade unless you were the one looking for trouble.

His last SM post a few hours before the stabbing was a photo of him with a lighter giving the middle finger so sure looks to me like he was searching for trouble.

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He was.

it doesn't matter why he had it. The code of conduct that they all sign says it's not allowed.

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it doesn't matter why he had it. The code of conduct that they all sign says it's not allowed.

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The code of conduct doesn't really make any difference.


Assume for a moment a student is wrongfully carrying his knife to a track meet. If another person then rushes at that student swinging a hammer at his head, the student is justified in using that knife to defend himself.


Again, the facts so far show no justification at all for Karmelo to use that knife. It does not matter if it was allowed, not allowed, required, illegal, etc etc.