Seven Costanza said:

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Just out of curiosity, can you give an example of someone pulling crap?

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I used to know an attorney who make some ridiculous objection, and when the judge overruled it, he would mumble load enough for the jury to hear "that's reversible error number one." And so on.

Thanks!

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Have watched a few of Gouveia's streams wherein he reads from the transcripts. One thing I noted was there were few objections in this trial by either side. Defense counsel Howard was allowed to ask leading questions on direct for his witnesses, without objection by the state.

What that tells me is that there are virtually no avenues for a credible basis for appeal if Anthony is convicted.

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Trials with very experienced and good attorneys usually have few objections. And experienced attorneys don't object to leading questions if those questions, and the following answers, are to mundane questions that do not affect the outcome of the case.

Juries don't like lawyers who make too many objections.

From the video: "Provocation within tent" from a YouTube comment

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Also, it's technically not the job of a defense attorney to get their client a Not Guilty verdict. Their job is to ensure their client receives a fair trial. They did that and that is about all they could do.

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The job of a defense attorney is to sew the seeds of "reasonable doubt". In this case, Karmelo was his worst enemy.

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Thank you both for your insights. You would think that KA's attorneys would advise him to choose sentencing by jury, given what seems to be the no nonsense reputation of this judge.

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I have heard he's a no nonsense judge who runs a tight ship in his courtroom but isn't he also known as a fair judge?

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I think he's fair, but that's based on limited experience with him. I would take him as a judge in any of my cases as I don't try to pull crap and I'm sure he'd keep the other side from actually doing the same.

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Just out of curiosity, can you give an example of someone pulling crap?

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Phony affidavits, witnesses/clients that lie, meritless claims/defenses, multiple continuance requests, refusing to mediate, refusing to answer discovery/nonsensical objections and withholding same, asking for juries in a small case (when one isn't needed), provoking mistrials in jury trials, and numerous other things.

Im pondering what my last meal would be tonight before I eat prison slop the rest of my life.

I saw that one. it was a tongue in cheek comment from a channel member. Play on words from discussion about KA provoking the shove

Yes, I was amused at the play of words.

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aggiehawg said:

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Have watched a few of Gouveia's streams wherein he reads from the transcripts. One thing I noted was there were few objections in this trial by either side. Defense counsel Howard was allowed to ask leading questions on direct for his witnesses, without objection by the state.

What that tells me is that there are virtually no avenues for a credible basis for appeal if Anthony is convicted.

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Trials with very experienced and good attorneys usually have few objections. And experienced attorneys don't object to leading questions if those questions, and the following answers, are to mundane questions that do not affect the outcome of the case.

Juries don't like lawyers who make too many objections.

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Also these two attorneys know each other well and have respect for each other. IOW, manage to act professionally. More professionally than many of the other criminal trials I have watched the last several years now.

The prosecutions in Rittenhouse and Derek Chauvin cases were pure POS, for instance. Another case in Kenosha, Zachariah Anderson, the DA who was the boss of the Rittenhouse prosecution team was a complete dewshbag. With that bad of prosecutors, defense counsel have no choice but to object to preserve the record.

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Seven Costanza said:

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Just out of curiosity, can you give an example of someone pulling crap?

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I used to know an attorney who make some ridiculous objection, and when the judge overruled it, he would mumble load enough for the jury to hear "that's reversible error number one." And so on.

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I don't want to derail, but I have to ask...
If the jury could hear that, then presumably the judge, the court reporter, and the prosecutor would as well. How on earth would that not result in an admonition and threat of contempt from the judge?

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aggiehawg said:

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Have watched a few of Gouveia's streams wherein he reads from the transcripts. One thing I noted was there were few objections in this trial by either side. Defense counsel Howard was allowed to ask leading questions on direct for his witnesses, without objection by the state.

What that tells me is that there are virtually no avenues for a credible basis for appeal if Anthony is convicted.

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Trials with very experienced and good attorneys usually have few objections. And experienced attorneys don't object to leading questions if those questions, and the following answers, are to mundane questions that do not affect the outcome of the case.

Juries don't like lawyers who make too many objections.

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I used to tell new ADAs that just because you CAN object doesn't mean you should.

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I used to tell new ADAs that just because you CAN object doesn't mean you should.

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Different job than a criminal defense attorney. Preserving a record on appeal is not as critical as it is for the defense, for example.

Your name rings a bell with me. Where did you practice/prosecute?

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Just out of curiosity, can you give an example of someone pulling crap?

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I used to know an attorney who make some ridiculous objection, and when the judge overruled it, he would mumble load enough for the jury to hear "that's reversible error number one." And so on.

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I don't want to derail, but I have to ask...
If the jury could hear that, then presumably the judge, the court reporter, and the prosecutor would as well. How on earth would that not result in an admonition and threat of contempt from the judge?

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Guy had Tourette's? /jk.

Man should have saved some money for their kid's defense. Ooops.

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Why?

BLACK COMMUNISTS ...racists and entitled. https://t.co/VeUDFg7sIx

— Geri Ricci (@RicciGeri) June 8, 2026

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Why? Community intimidation? Granted those two look softer than Quilted Charmin.

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This is mildly irritating. Maybe some Hells Angels or BACA (to protect prosecution witness students) should come offset the Black Panther "protectors". Pretty sure there would be plenty of volunteers to assist in McKinney.

I gave you a blue star for inventing "dewshbag".

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Just out of curiosity, can you give an example of someone pulling crap?

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I used to know an attorney who make some ridiculous objection, and when the judge overruled it, he would mumble load enough for the jury to hear "that's reversible error number one." And so on.

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I don't want to derail, but I have to ask...
If the jury could hear that, then presumably the judge, the court reporter, and the prosecutor would as well. How on earth would that not result in an admonition and threat of contempt from the judge?

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The judge let him do it because the jury would see what a horse's ass he was.

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I grew up going to track meets in Aldine and North Houston. Never really had any issues, but I didn't go looking for trouble either. Kept with my team and didn't really engage with anyone else. We usually had like 40 or so guys there and maybe 2-3 coaches.

Edit to add that our school didn't have money for tents, nor did the schools we competed against. Did go to one track meet at the woodlands and many of those schools had tents.

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Yeah, my time was in the early70s. NO one had tents then. Every one just sat around in the infield ( football field) and mostly kept to theirselves, with the exception of us from Lindsay and those from Muenster, as we knew some of each other. Mostly we tried to sit somewhere around the St. Jo crew, as their girls had just discovered hot pants. But then again, this was far north TX, and it was just about all white kids, unless Commerce showed up.

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Small world. My dad preached in St Jo from about 94-99. Still really fond of that place.

Martin Cash said:

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Martin Cash said:

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Just out of curiosity, can you give an example of someone pulling crap?

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I used to know an attorney who make some ridiculous objection, and when the judge overruled it, he would mumble load enough for the jury to hear "that's reversible error number one." And so on.

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I don't want to derail, but I have to ask...
If the jury could hear that, then presumably the judge, the court reporter, and the prosecutor would as well. How on earth would that not result in an admonition and threat of contempt from the judge?

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The judge let him do it because the jury would see what a horse's ass he was.

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That's a nice judge. Back in my day, a rebuke to the effect of, "Unless you are addressing a witness during the evidentiary portion of this trial, all of your utterances are directed to the court, meaning me!"

Fed judge yelled at me because I forgot to mute the mic at the table as I whispered to co-counsel. Rookie mistake on my part. I quickly learned to cover the mic before I addressed co-counsel or wrote it down to show them. Wasn't my first time in federal court as I had been in bankruptcy court a lot by that time but not a full civil trial on antitrust grounds.

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Hey...so.. um said:

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I grew up going to track meets in Aldine and North Houston. Never really had any issues, but I didn't go looking for trouble either. Kept with my team and didn't really engage with anyone else. We usually had like 40 or so guys there and maybe 2-3 coaches.

Edit to add that our school didn't have money for tents, nor did the schools we competed against. Did go to one track meet at the woodlands and many of those schools had tents.

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Yeah, my time was in the early70s. NO one had tents then. Every one just sat around in the infield ( football field) and mostly kept to theirselves, with the exception of us from Lindsay and those from Muenster, as we knew some of each other. Mostly we tried to sit somewhere around the St. Jo crew, as their girls had just discovered hot pants. But then again, this was far north TX, and it was just about all white kids, unless Commerce showed up.

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Small world. My dad preached in St Jo from about 94-99. Still really fond of that place.

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Loved running there. They had one of he fastest cinder tracks around.

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Thank you both for your insights. You would think that KA's attorneys would advise him to choose sentencing by jury, given what seems to be the no nonsense reputation of this judge.

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I have heard he's a no nonsense judge who runs a tight ship in his courtroom but isn't he also known as a fair judge?

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I think he's fair, but that's based on limited experience with him. I would take him as a judge in any of my cases as I don't try to pull crap and I'm sure he'd keep the other side from actually doing the same.

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Just out of curiosity, can you give an example of someone pulling crap?

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Phony affidavits, witnesses/clients that lie, meritless claims/defenses, multiple continuance requests, refusing to mediate, refusing to answer discovery/nonsensical objections and withholding same, asking for juries in a small case (when one isn't needed), provoking mistrials in jury trials, and numerous other things.

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Years ago, I had a med Mal suit against me that was a joke. I refused to settle, so we went to court. Prosecuting attorney was a well-known POS (redundant, I know),so they added battery to the charges to try to get me to settle. I wouldn't do it.
During cross examination of our expert, the attorney got so loud, angry, and agitated it appeared he was going to punch him on the witness stand. Judge had to gavel him and say, not once but twice, "Mr. Kirchner, PHYSICALLY MOVE AWAY FROM THE WITNESS!"
The next day, during closing arguments, he came out and apologized for his behavior and tried to blame it on living with two temperamental German Shepherds.
Yeah, no.
Needless to say, we won a unanimous verdict and the plaintiff was not too happy with her choice of counsel.

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This one is still going and he talking about something else right now but can rewind it. Covers Saturday and today.

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Does he ever actually read from a transcript? So far I have just seen him reading other people's accounts of what they heard.

aggiehawg said:

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Martin Cash said:

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Martin Cash said:

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Seven Costanza said:

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Just out of curiosity, can you give an example of someone pulling crap?

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I used to know an attorney who make some ridiculous objection, and when the judge overruled it, he would mumble load enough for the jury to hear "that's reversible error number one." And so on.

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I don't want to derail, but I have to ask...
If the jury could hear that, then presumably the judge, the court reporter, and the prosecutor would as well. How on earth would that not result in an admonition and threat of contempt from the judge?

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The judge let him do it because the jury would see what a horse's ass he was.

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That's a nice judge. Back in my day, a rebuke to the effect of, "Unless you are addressing a witness during the evidentiary portion of this trial, all of your utterances are directed to the court, meaning me!"

Fed judge yelled at me because I forgot to mute the mic at the table as I whispered to co-counsel. Rookie mistake on my part. I quickly learned to cover the mic before I addressed co-counsel or wrote it down to show them. Wasn't my first time in federal court as I had been in bankruptcy court a lot by that time but not a full civil trial on antitrust grounds.

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Not in your situation, of course, because it was unintentional and harmless, but I love when opposing counsel gets yelled at for side-bars. Some lawyers can't help themselves but make snide comments under their breath. Or continue to argue when the Judge rules.

I had a trial in November in SDTX with a pretty smarmy opposing counsel. Got snapped at several times by Judge Bennett. And then Judge Bennett pulled us aside on day 3 of plaintiff's case and asked (sarcastically) what his case was about, since he'd seen so little evidence of anything relevant. That's a nice feeling being on the right end of that one.

BTW, in a 5 day trial I made 2 objections.

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Does he ever actually read from a transcript? So far I have just seen him reading other people's accounts of what they heard.

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Dear, you do understand that people other than court reporters can take that type of dictation down accurately?

No electronic devices? Pad and pencil? Shorthand. Didn't you use a form of shorthand when taking notes during court?

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Dear, you do understand that people other than court reporters can take that type of dictation down accurately?

No electronic devices? Pad and pencil? Shorthand. Didn't you use a form of shorthand when taking notes during court?

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You said he was reading from a transcript so I assumed there was an actual transcript he had, which I've been tying to find.

Like you, I am very interested in the rulings made.

He's just reading things others have posted. Not a transcript that would show the objections and rulings. So all of these questions could have been objected to. We just don't know.

I've never heard notes called a transcript in a court setting. Sorry.

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BTW, in a 5 day trial I made 2 objections.

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Don't interrupt when your opposition is making mistakes.

A Fox News (national) reporter stated the following:

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"When everyone returned to the courtroom, Karmelo's mother had her head down, and his father was leaning his head against the wall. Earlier in the trial, both appeared much more engaged with what was happening."

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This is in reference to the long lunch break. Not sure what it means -- could mean a lot of things -- if accurate.

Maybe they found out GoFundMe was reneging on the last payment.

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This could be his last night of freedom.

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I know he deserves it, but it is very surreal to think about it.

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5Amp said:

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This could be his last night of freedom.

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I know he deserves it, but it is very surreal to think about it.

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At least he gets to think about it, unlike..........

(Not a personal attack, but reading through all of this I do think we've somewhat lost sight of the innocent young life that was lost, 100% unnecessarily.) I can't imagine what it would be like to be a parent going through this.

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This could be his last night of freedom.

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I know he deserves it, but it is very surreal to think about it.

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Austin didn't get another minute after KA stabbed him in his heart. In a moment two lives lost forever and families shattered. Zero ****s given for KA.

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I had a trial in November in SDTX with a pretty smarmy opposing counsel. Got snapped at several times by Judge Bennett. And then Judge Bennett pulled us aside on day 3 of plaintiff's case and asked (sarcastically) what his case was about, since he'd seen so little evidence of anything relevant. That's a nice feeling being on the right end of that one.

BTW, in a 5 day trial I made 2 objections.

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Don't interrupt when your opposition is making mistakes.

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True dat!

To be fair, I did catch the Judge's wrath one morning -- outside of the presence of the jury -- when I asked for a short bathroom break between witnesses. Coffee and cold medicine caused an emergency. I was sternly reminded of the Court's daily schedule that was outlined from the beginning.

It is thanks to this case that I discovered that there is nothing preventing anyone from graduating from a Texas high school, regardless of what crime they commit. I thought expulsion meant you couldn't graduate, but that is not the case.

When Mrs. Metcalf begged for Anthony not to receive his high school diploma, and Frisco ISD awarded it anyway, that was eye-opening.

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This could be his last night of freedom.

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I know he deserves it, but it is very surreal to think about it.

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Austin didn't get another minute after KA stabbed him in his heart. In a moment two lives lost forever and families shattered. Zero ****s given for KA.

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One family is acting more like this than destroyed. They deserve no sympathy