What America Was

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JerryHelper
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I miss what this country used to be. And the sad truth is my guess is that it will never be this way again. The push toward woke ideology, the takeover of our lives to social media, and the constant negativity and anxiousness of the majority of the populace basically assures that we will never reach these heights again in America.
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We had it for a moment in time after 9/11 until an endless war / "regime change" and politics got in the way. Unfortunately, might take something similar to get us back there.
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The 80s and 90s were friggin' awesome. Best time ever to be young. I feel for the kids today.
Mort Rainey
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Daddy-O5 said:

We had it for a moment in time after 9/11 until an endless war / "regime change" and politics got in the way. Unfortunately, might take something similar to get us back there.


That will never happen as long as we have the stark division in ideology that exists now. If 9/11 happened tomorrow, liberals would just immediately blame Trump and republicans. It would be instant and all consuming. There is no topic that exists that they wouldn't use as a weapon against those they don't like.

Add in an entire generation of Americans that's been raised to hate the country and feel shame for being born here. There will never been anything that unifies the country again.
Hank the Grifter
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The "unity" of 9/11 lasted about a month, if that.
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Kids these days just have no idea how great the 80's were. We even had proper jean commercials without some sort of ridiculous outrage about it.
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It's almost like the destabilization playbook we've run so many times against other countries is being used against us. Weird.
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Elections are when people find out what politicians stand for, and politicians find out what people will fall for.
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The worst thing that happened to the United States was the fall of the Soviet Union.

Before that, there was a clear difference in ideology, and it helped keep us united.

Capitalism vs. Communism
Freedom vs. Totalitarianism
Elected Government vs. a government everyone knew was a farce despite having "elections."
Equal Opportunity vs. Equal Outcome
Religious Freedom vs. State Imposed Atheism
Neighbors Helped Neighbors vs. Neighbors Spied on Neighbors

Sure we had our communists and socialists since the early 1900s, but they were a small minority and dismissed by pretty much everyone. Even in their heyday in the early parts of the 20th century they were never more than a few precent of the population.

People could get along, despite politics. Most just wanted what was best for the country, although how to achieve that was where opinions diverged.

Moral issues were handled mostly on the family, local, and state level (abortion was the outlier) and people pretty much didn't care how others lived because everyone kept their personal lives personal.

Sure our nation wasn't perfect, because it is composed of imperfect people, but it has been the best nation on this Earth since it was founded. Whether we can keep it going is the unanswered question.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
Mort Rainey
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rocky the dog said:






We had this as recently as a decade ago. Covid finished this country
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If you ask me it all started to go downhill with Obama and the racial divide he created (and not because he was black). But a lot of the blame is also on the internet and social media as a whole as well. The two together set us on this path of hatred we are on now.
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I tend to agree, but the very temporary setting aside of politics and inability to even buy an American flag at the store was something I never thought I'd see even at that time. Hard to say something similar wouldn't or couldn't happen again.

Again, "might". That's the only thing I can think of that "might" reunite on any kind of scale.
JerryHelper
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javajaws said:

If you ask me it all started to go downhill with Obama and the racial divide he created (and not because he was black). But a lot of the blame is also on the internet and social media as a whole as well. The two together set us on this path of hatred we are on now.


Idk, things were already in the toilet in a lot of ways by the time we got Obama. Liberals spent the previous decade telling us every day that Bush was Hitler
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Hank the Grifter said:

The "unity" of 9/11 lasted about a month, if that.

Disagree, I've got some pretty vivid / anecdotal memories that lasted well into the next year. Again, just my recollection, I agree it was a blip on the radar in the grand scheme of things.
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Not one day goes by that this doesn't occur to me. And it ****ing enrages me.
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multi-culturalism is very, very difficult to pull off

some would say impossible
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The 80s and 90s were pretty great but I don't care for good ole day syndrome. When I was growing up in the 80s/90s, people were saying the 50s were the best but ignored a whole host of really ****ty issues.

As an old person, I'm going to say that the smartphone/internet has made life worse. We're quicker to react. We're quicker to distrust. We're quicker stir the pot and trash caricatures of groups. Freaks and *******s have always existed, we just only knew about the ones that lived next to us.
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
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I miss it. I grew up during one of the best times to live in this country.

As far as human history goes, no one had it better than I did - and I was dirt poor growing up!

I was truly blessed.
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JerryHelper said:

javajaws said:

If you ask me it all started to go downhill with Obama and the racial divide he created (and not because he was black). But a lot of the blame is also on the internet and social media as a whole as well. The two together set us on this path of hatred we are on now.


Idk, things were already in the toilet in a lot of ways by the time we got Obama. Liberals spent the previous decade telling us every day that Bush was Hitler


People either forget that or were not around. It was a sea change and disgusting to watch. That's when the worm turned.
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Get a flip phone and remove your TVs. You'll feel better.
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The big gov socialist leaning liberal democrats of the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s were usurped. Assuming near complete control of government and 8 years of activist judiciary nominees being confirmed along with massive federal regulatory expansion and they have abandoned true liberalism in favor of mandates, debanking, deplatforming, censoring, cancelling, etc. Socialist leaning has become full on marxist revolution. American pride has become self-hatred. American exceptionalism has become shame. Intentional destruction, intentional division, and intentional invasion - all marxist tactics - have become the name of the game where they used to have good intentions. The half of us that still make enough to have to pay taxes have become the enemies- the fascists/racists/extremists/domestic terrorists. The party that used to hate big business is now the party of monopolies, oligopolies and globalist conglomerates. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Thanks, Obama.
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Obama
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Obama coupled with COVID broke this country.
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What Jesse Kelley was referring to in his tweet about Hulk Hogan was really the shared culture we enjoyed.

The one-two punch of advanced technology and mass immigration has effectively ended that sense of "sameness." We don't share social norms, values or cultural touchstones any more. We don't even share a common language!
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javajaws said:

If you ask me it all started to go downhill with Obama and the racial divide he created (and not because he was black). But a lot of the blame is also on the internet and social media as a whole as well. The two together set us on this path of hatred we are on now.

It wasn't just Obama. This was when Dems/leftists began asserting that opposition to Obama was rooted in racism. It was the precursor to the false "white supremacy" narrative we have today.
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these are likely the best days of the country the next 4 years.
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During the 80's, modern liberalism was in its infancy, and as Rapier said, we had a common enemy in communism. The WW2 generation was in its prime and running things. They understood full well the dangers it posed to the world.

Then Clinton got elected and the real slide started. Bush enraged the left and the counter culture leftist 60s crowd go motivated and started winning elections.

Obama put it on steroids. Besides his constant race baiting, he sowed the seeds of fear, envy, and blame to the next generation and here we are. He was the key link in the fundamental transformation of America that the Marxists have been craving for over a hundred years.

Now we have the next iteration with AOC and her squad types. Each successive generation moves farther left, mostly out of ignorance and the constant drumbeat and affirmation from left leaning social media.

This is the first time in my adult life where I felt like there was a little hope. Trump is not just holding the line, he's taking ground back, and in doing so he is emboldening rational people to do the same. They aren't afraid or intimidated by the left anymore. Their tactics and strategies are being exposed for all to see. A lot of patriotic Americans are saying enough is enough, and aren't buying into the gaslighting and lies of the left.
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As a child of the 80's I have fond memories of that decade particularly RE pop culture and movies.

But a lot of bad stuff was happening during the 80's too and I'd miss my smart phone and all my streaming services now if teleported back
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AgNav93 said:

The 80s and 90s were friggin' awesome. Best time ever to be young. I feel for the kids today.

The 60s and 70s were pretty awesome, too. Kids these days are being taught to be afraid of so many of the things we just took for granted like walking to school and playing in the neighborhood.
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Bazooka Joe said:

It's almost like the destabilization playbook we've run so many times against other countries is being used against us. Weird.


bingo bango bongo

this is exactly what is occurring.
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Agree that the late 70s through mid 90s were great. What happened? Obama was successful in fundamentally transforming the US. Worst president ever, and not even close.
People think I'm an idiot or something, because all I do is cut lawns for a living.
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LMCane said:

these are likely the best days of the country the next 4 years.


lol please
JerryHelper
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carl spacklers hat said:

Agree that the late 70s through mid 90s were great. What happened? Obama was successful in fundamentally transforming the US. Worst president ever, and not even close.


Some of the blame has to go toward Bush and his admin. They were warmongers and in bed with the military industrial complex. The wars in the 2000s coupled with the economic collapse in 08 went along way toward changing the fabric of ideology in this country
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Liberalism is a god forsaken cancer. You didn't have tens of millions of brainwashed limp wristed anti-American idiots back then who believed men could get pregnant and chest feed and that they belong in womens' sports, locker rooms and showers. The most liberal of hippies would have looked at you like you were a complete psycho if you advocated for such lunacy. They knew what a woman was...and they didnt support things like chopping the t*ts off of confused 12-13 y/o girls.

There's no going back...but we can still maintain this vibe in our family/friend/commnity circles.

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Back then the village idiot stayed in their own village. Now they band together on the internet to reinforce their idiocy.
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