What America Was

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EclipseAg
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I just don't see America recovering from the last two decades.

Our communities are Balkanized demographically, separated by culture and language.

DEI is deeply embedded in our social institutions, with so many unqualified leaders throughout the ranks.

The progressive money grift is like kudzu ... you can kill it but it just keeps coming back.

A significant portion of our population -- including increasing numbers of our political leaders -- don't even see themselves as Americans.

I could go on and on ...

infinity ag
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nortex97 said:

Kids these days just have no idea how great the 80's were. We even had proper jean commercials without some sort of ridiculous outrage about it.



Wow.
When women were women.

Unlike now when women are trying to be fake men
Logos Stick
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oh no said:

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Bunk Moreland
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Logos Stick said:

JerryHelper said:

javajaws said:

If you ask me it all started to go downhill with Obama and the racial divide he created (and not because he was black). But a lot of the blame is also on the internet and social media as a whole as well. The two together set us on this path of hatred we are on now.


Idk, things were already in the toilet in a lot of ways by the time we got Obama. Liberals spent the previous decade telling us every day that Bush was Hitler


People either forget that or were not around. It was a sea change and disgusting to watch. That's when the worm turned.


There are always actions that lead to equal and opposite reactions. IMO, the Bush administration using 9/11 as an excuse to promote and then start an unjust war that lasted a generation in Iraq is what truly soured a lot of people to the GOP permanently (voters and of course media)...which led to the rise of an Obama, who then used a favorable media to fan the racial flames that have taken over a decade to (hopefully) move beyond now because nobody takes legacy media seriously anymore.

I'm sure some Democrats will try to claim it was the Clinton scandal and impeachment that started the divide, but I truly didn't see it so clearly until the war turned stale.
JerryHelper
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There's a solid argument for your last point too. The country was thriving in so many ways and the Republican party decided to divide the nation by obsessing over pearl clutching bull****
lb3
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Mort Rainey said:

Daddy-O5 said:

We had it for a moment in time after 9/11 until an endless war / "regime change" and politics got in the way. Unfortunately, might take something similar to get us back there.


That will never happen as long as we have the stark division in ideology that exists now. If 9/11 happened tomorrow, liberals would just immediately blame Trump and republicans. It would be instant and all consuming. There is no topic that exists that they wouldn't use as a weapon against those they don't like.

Add in an entire generation of Americans that's been raised to hate the country and feel shame for being born here. There will never been anything that unifies the country again.
We had similar divisions in the 60s and the 80s still happened so I'm hopeful for the future.
El Gallo Blanco
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Deeply troubling that the only possible way I can come up with to set this country back on the right track is to re-open mental asylums all across the country and fill them will millions, perhaps tens of millions, of liberals.

They have been completely brainwashed and it has become a destructive cult to them...combine this with extraordinarily high rates of mintal illness...and you have an absolute cancer that will reduce our nation and culture to rubble.

We are so cooked.
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lb3 said:

Mort Rainey said:

Daddy-O5 said:

We had it for a moment in time after 9/11 until an endless war / "regime change" and politics got in the way. Unfortunately, might take something similar to get us back there.


That will never happen as long as we have the stark division in ideology that exists now. If 9/11 happened tomorrow, liberals would just immediately blame Trump and republicans. It would be instant and all consuming. There is no topic that exists that they wouldn't use as a weapon against those they don't like.

Add in an entire generation of Americans that's been raised to hate the country and feel shame for being born here. There will never been anything that unifies the country again.

We had similar divisions in the 60s and the 80s still happened so I'm hopeful for the future.

I don't know man...hippies seemd kind of fringe back then...but still relatively sane. The fringe has gone mainstream on the modern left. The most recent SCOTUS appointee doesn't have the slightest clue what a woman is, all 50 democrat senators adamantly supported biological males in young girls sports/locker rooms/showers, a large % of the left wanted our lives absolutely ruined over not getting a crap vaccine (30% wanted our children taken away). Then theres the climate doomsday nonsense. We could go on and on and on.

I just don't see how any fences are ever mended. I mean, Trump is basically in the ballpark of Bill Clinton (except he hasn't sexually harrassed any interns in the Oval Office)....yet they view him as the spawn of satan and Adolf Hitler.
lb3
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The hippies back then are today's boomers. Their influence is waning and their woke millennial kids are getting pushback from the younger generations. We'll be ok.
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JerryHelper said:



I miss what this country used to be. And the sad truth is my guess is that it will never be this way again. The push toward woke ideology, the takeover of our lives to social media, and the constant negativity and anxiousness of the majority of the populace basically assures that we will never reach these heights again in America.

I loved Hulk Hogan as a kid and when I got older even loved the awesome heel turn/nWo stuff.

I was always a REAL AMERICAN.

But I will always be a REAL TEXAN first. (even if I live in Bama now! )
TheEternalOptimist
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lb3 said:

The hippies back then are today's boomers. Their influence is waning and their woke millennial kids are getting pushback from the younger generations. We'll be ok.

The pushback is being lead, right in the middle of their academic indoctrination factories, by this non-college graduate who is single handedly slaying their ideology one campus at a time -
No Spin Ag
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AgNav93 said:

The 80s and 90s were friggin' awesome. Best time ever to be young. I feel for the kids today.


Truer words were never spoken.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
Mort Rainey
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TheEternalOptimist said:

lb3 said:

The hippies back then are today's boomers. Their influence is waning and their woke millennial kids are getting pushback from the younger generations. We'll be ok.

The pushback is being lead, right in the middle of their academic indoctrination factories, by this non-college graduate who is single handedly slaying their ideology one campus at a time -


Oh look, it's Charlie "I can do all things with a Bible verse pulled out of context" Kirk.

This guy is a clown, there are far better people to look up to in the fight against instead liberal ideology
oh no
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Communists have used their pravda media arm to program their useful idiots to get super-triggered at the sight of Charile Kirk. It's not as drastic as TDS, but it's fascinating to watch.
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AgNav93 said:

The 80s and 90s were friggin' awesome. Best time ever to be young. I feel for the kids today.


Yup.....sports in your neighbors/buddies front yards, meeting somewhere/anywhere on your bike to hang out, getting dropped off at the Pizza Hut to play arcade games. We rode our bikes everywhere.....now these kids are glued to their phones.
halfastros81
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The brainwashing and manipulation of public school teachers and then their students started well before Obama and set the stage for further "progress" during and post Obama's presidency imo.
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93MarineHorn said:

javajaws said:

If you ask me it all started to go downhill with Obama and the racial divide he created (and not because he was black). But a lot of the blame is also on the internet and social media as a whole as well. The two together set us on this path of hatred we are on now.

It wasn't just Obama. This was when Dems/leftists began asserting that opposition to Obama was rooted in racism. It was the precursor to the false "white supremacy" narrative we have today.
racism wasn't inserted into every conversation until a black man was elected president. So at what should have been the high point of the civil rights movement, the benefactor of that monumental change decided to make racism his prime talking point and took us back to pre -1963 levels of racism. He was the leader of the tearing down of all the good that had been achieved.
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oh no said:

The big gov socialist leaning liberal democrats of the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s were usurped. Assuming near complete control of government and 8 years of activist judiciary nominees being confirmed along with massive federal regulatory expansion and they have abandoned true liberalism in favor of mandates, debanking, deplatforming, censoring, cancelling, etc. Socialist leaning has become full on marxist revolution. American pride has become self-hatred. American exceptionalism has become shame. Intentional destruction, intentional division, and intentional invasion - all marxist tactics - have become the name of the game where they used to have good intentions. The half of us that still make enough to have to pay taxes have become the enemies- the fascists/racists/extremists/domestic terrorists. The party that used to hate big business is now the party of monopolies, oligopolies and globalist conglomerates. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Thanks, Obama.

You should thank the feminist movement of the 70's. That's how we got here.
nomadic_ag
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The pendulum will keep swinging, just like it always has. That's America.

What's changed most in my lifetime is how fearful we've become. You can see it all over this thread. Fear feels like it's become our default setting. We've gone from the home of the brave to the home of the scared.

America is at her best when we're courageous. Being scared and having the womp womps will not get us where we need to go.

Just my .02
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Mass immigration is the biggest issue. My mom and dad immigrated from Taiwan to the United States in 1975 and 1979 respectively. I am for legal immigration, but not the current massive immigration levels. For several reasons, it's time for the US Congress to tame down immigration levels. Massive immigration causes traffic congestion, which would cause the quality of roads to decline faster. Also, the rapid increase has strained America's beleaguered schools, which literally don't have room for all these students. In addition, massive immigration would further tighten the supply of affordable housing for purchase or rent. Furthermore, there would be an increased demand for water, electricity, and other public services. Most importantly, there would be increased competition for jobs. Scaling back legal migration and cracking down on illegal immigration would ensure an improved quality of life for current US citizens.
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Once "diversity is our strength" replaced our common shared goal and unity, everything went to *****

When you prioritize identity, grievance, and cultural preservation over assimilation, shared loyalty, and national purpose, you don't get unity, you get fragmentation. You get frustration.

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David_Puddy said:

AgNav93 said:

The 80s and 90s were friggin' awesome. Best time ever to be young. I feel for the kids today.


Yup.....sports in your neighbors/buddies front yards, meeting somewhere/anywhere on your bike to hang out, getting dropped off at the Pizza Hut to play arcade games. We rode our bikes everywhere.....now these kids are glued to their phones.


And we parents get chastised when we do get them out to roam the neighborhoods
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BeardedBear said:


That 80s recession hit working people hardfactories closed, jobs disappeared, and interest rates soared. Then came the real kicker: Reagan's economic policies. Taxes were slashed for the wealthy, union power was gutted, and the rules were rewritten to favor big corporations and Wall Street. In 1980, the top 1% held about 10% of the nation's wealth. Today, they hold over 30%, while the bottom half of Americans own just 2.5%. That wealth didn't disappear... it was scooped up and locked away by people who already had more than enough.

What's breaking this country isn't "wokeness." It's the fact that regular folks are working harder than ever and falling further behind, while billionaires are sitting on private jets, buying politicians, and getting applause on stage next to the president. The political elite and the ultra-wealthy teamed up to pit us against each other. They feed us culture wars while they empty our wallets.



Reagan reduced the top tax rate from 70% to 50% which was a good thing. No sane person could believe anyone should have to pay 70%. In fact, nobody but the envious could believe a 50% rate is appropriate. As I recall, it was later lowered to like 28%. That is high enough. The bottom half pay almost no income tax, many of them are unambitious and content to live off the government tit, so they are unlikely to have much wealth.

Who, besides you, gets to decide when people have "more than enough" anyway?

And your comments about billionaires, you do know there are less than 900 in the United States?

I don't know how hard "regular folks" are working but if they are falling further behind they might want to take a look at how they spend their money. What they spend, they cannot save. Not saving puts a dent in their ability go grow their wealth.

In this country, those who want to accumulate wealth can do so. They have to get the proper skills, work hard, work smart, put in a lot of hours, take a lot of risk, but if they do these things and are smart about what they are doing and what they want, they can accumulate a lot of wealth. Have seen it over and over and over again. It is much easier though, to point fingers at billionaires and say they are to blame.




Urban Ag
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nomadic_ag said:

The pendulum will keep swinging, just like it always has. That's America.

What's changed most in my lifetime is how fearful we've become. You can see it all over this thread. Fear feels like it's become our default setting. We've gone from the home of the brave to the home of the scared.

America is at her best when we're courageous. Being scared and having the womp womps will not get us where we need to go.

Just my .02

Great post. I am not scared.

Bring it on. We gotta do what we gotta do.

A majority of the dem party supports positions that are absolutely ludicrous. A large portion of the party supports positions that are outright insane.

Don't back down. I really like our odds.
t - cam
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It's only been miserable since the orange man got involved. There was plenty of disagreements since then but he divided the country to an unpatriotic state.

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Feels like a troll post
oh no
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Pravda has programmed the low IQ useful idiots to believe that Regan undoing Carter's crazy nut bar inflation is to blame for their degeneracy.
oh no
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Pravda had programmed low IQ useful idiots to think the orange man they were programmed to hate is the cause of their hatred, division, and degeneracy
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EclipseAg said:

I just don't see America recovering from the last two decades.

Our communities are Balkanized demographically, separated by culture and language.




Our cities have been like this for much longer than 20 years.


( ...voice punctuated with a clap of distant thunder... )
murphyag
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TheEternalOptimist said:

lb3 said:

The hippies back then are today's boomers. Their influence is waning and their woke millennial kids are getting pushback from the younger generations. We'll be ok.

The pushback is being lead, right in the middle of their academic indoctrination factories, by this non-college graduate who is single handedly slaying their ideology one campus at a time -


What is wrong with Charlie Kirk's face/head? Does he have some kind of syndrome or disorder?
 
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