The proposed amnesty bill supposes that illegals that have been in the US for more than 5 years are more likely to be quality American citizens.

The problem is if you've illegally been in the US for more than 5 years, and you've delayed going through the citizenship process; it's likely related to internal pride that inherently exposes an unwillingness to become American. There's a preference in identification.

Wife of illegal detained by ICE in Texas says her husband didn't seek citizenship for TWENTY-TWO years due to his "pride" pic.twitter.com/IdhSa9weJo

— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) July 30, 2025

You've only had 2,000+ days to become what you always wanted to become. What does amnesty change?

I think a lot of the issue is human nature. Coming here legally is a long, arduous process, as it should be. It's easier for these folks, especially pre-Trump, to slip over and blend in, and avoid the process. Our immigration laws made it too easy.

Im reminded of Thomas Paine's famous quote -

"That which we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as freedom should not be highly rated."

Fat Black Swan said:

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The proposed amnesty bill supposes that illegals that have been in the US for more than 5 years are more likely to be quality American citizens.

The problem is if you've illegally been in the US for more than 5 years, and you've delayed going through the citizenship process; it's likely related to internal pride that inherently exposes an unwillingness to become American. There's a preference in identification.

Wife of illegal detained by ICE in Texas says her husband didn't seek citizenship for TWENTY-TWO years due to his "pride" pic.twitter.com/IdhSa9weJo

— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) July 30, 2025

You've only had 2,000+ days to become what you always wanted to become. What does amnesty change?

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Good he can now be "proud" in some other country.

FYI there is nothing stopping his wife and childern from joining him.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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Just proves to me that those people truly do not care about our laws or this country. They're fully interested in their own self-centered motives.

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This. The longer they have been here illegally, in my opinion, means they are more likely not the type to assimmilate.

Don't you have to gain legal status (green card) for a few years and maintain it before applying for citizenship? I'm not aware of there ever having been a direct pathway from illegal to citizen.

I believe so yes. And that involves going back to your home country, which could leave you stranded there for a long time.

Co-worker's husband was a dreamer and it took him years to get through the process. IIRC, he did have to go back to Mexico at one point and they were very worried he'd not get back into the US.

He did finally get his US Citizenship, but it took a long time and was not cheap.

A counterpoint tho, self centered motives are why legal immigrants have come as well. Chance for a better life. Don't take this the wrong way, I believe those that go thru the legal process should absolutely have a huge leg up on those that don't .

ts5641 said:

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Fat Black Swan said:

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The proposed amnesty bill supposes that illegals that have been in the US for more than 5 years are more likely to be quality American citizens.

The problem is if you've illegally been in the US for more than 5 years, and you've delayed going through the citizenship process; it's likely related to internal pride that inherently exposes an unwillingness to become American. There's a preference in identification.

Wife of illegal detained by ICE in Texas says her husband didn't seek citizenship for TWENTY-TWO years due to his "pride" pic.twitter.com/IdhSa9weJo

— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) July 30, 2025

You've only had 2,000+ days to become what you always wanted to become. What does amnesty change?

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Yes, let's reward the people who have broken the law for a longer period of time than others.

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What other laws punish less the more you break it?

Ag87H2O said:

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I think a lot of the issue is human nature. Coming here legally is a long, arduous process, as it should be. It's easier for these folks, especially pre-Trump, to slip over and blend in, and avoid the process. Our immigration laws made it too easy.

Im reminded of Thomas Paine's famous quote -

"That which we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as freedom should not be highly rated."

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In the spirit of making it a long arduous process for a foreigner to come here legally and live in the US, this pro-illegal immigration bill should be shredded.

But they're legal immigrants. They cared enough to do it the right way. That means they have to follow our laws. Illegals don't.

Not arguing that point at all. Just pointing out the motivating factors for many legal and illegal immigrants are similar. Chance at a better life. In that respect I don't begrudge their self centered motives . Methods perhaps but not motives.

halfastros81 said:

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Not arguing that point at all. Just pointing out the motivating factors for many legal and illegal immigrants are similar. Chance at a better life. In that respect I don't begrudge their self centered motives . Methods perhaps but not motives.

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I want a better life, I'll rob a bank.

No DL, driving, been here 22 yrs, wife and 3 kids but still behaving like a single male border crosser…..think we can get by w/o this guy, sorry honey where were you when he didn't do what's right for years….cry me a river now???? Nah

Let us know how that works out for you

This thread is exactly why any bill that comes up in congress must be inclusive of no automatic citizenship just because you've evaded being caught for years.

20+ years and you want to take from America but not become a citizen. Sounds like he should be deported.

halfastros81 said:

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Let us know how that works out for you

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Wants better life -> robs bank -> goes to jail
FAFO

Wants better life -> illegally enters and stays in US -> gets deported
FAFO

They are the same.