This very issue is literally a Kevin Bacon movie from 1986..."Quicksilver".
Back then it was presumably considered cool...

Facts
Sidewalks in NYC are crowded (all of the time)
Sidewalks in NYC have gratings that no one wants to walk on
Sidewalks in NYC are often covered narrow tunnels, due to construction.
Sidewalks in NYC are the beds for thousands of homeless/addicts that people must walk around/over.

It is hard enough walking on the NYC sidewalks without worrying about e-bikes running you over.

IF e-bikes, e-scooters and bikes followed the traffic laws on NYC streets and didn't ride on sidewalks faster than pedestrian walking speed, then the speed limit would be 25 mph like vehicle traffic. So it's pointless to set a lower speed limit because the problem is that vast numbers of all these cycles run lights, go the wrong way on streets and speed on sidewalks. Dumb law.

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AustinAg2K said:

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E bikes are basically motorcycles now. They should have to follow the same laws.

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18 mph motorcycles?

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Getting hit by an e-bike at 18mph is the equivalent of being run over by an athlete as they're crossing the finish line of a 4.54 40. You would absolutely get trucked.

E-bikes are 50-60 pounds. Add that to the weight of a median person, around 185, and you're at 235 lbs. That's basically an NFL linebacker hitting you as hard as they can.

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Sure. The point I'm making is an 18 mph e-bike cannot perform like a Harley or a dirtbike. It can't get up to highway speeds, much less typical street speed limits of 45 mph. There's no way it should be / can be regulated like a motorcycle. The comparison is way off.

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So true... they will leave a Hardley Ableson
In the dust.

If I was the ruler of the universe there would be no bicycles on city streets. Bicyclists are menaces! They choose to ride during rush hour and or sunrise/sunset when it's almost impossible to see them. They cause stress and accidents for people trying to get around them. They don't follow the road laws at all and then get pissed off if you don't give them the widest berth possible.
They are sanctimonious vermin on the roads.

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If I was the ruler of the universe there would be no bicycles on city streets. Bicyclists are menaces! They choose to ride during rush hour and or sunrise/sunset when it's almost impossible to see them. They cause stress and accidents for people trying to get around them. They don't follow the road laws at all and then get pissed off if you don't give them the widest berth possible.
They are sanctimonious vermin on the roads.

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So you have walked around the Texas A&M campus around ~10am on a school day. Add scooters and skateboards to your list.

Prediction - new regulations on electric bikes in NYC will be just as effective as any recent gun restrictions have been in lowering violent crimes.

They wanted less traffic on their roads. They got their wish.

Now it's all on the sidewalks.

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This very issue is literally a Kevin Bacon movie from 1986..."Quicksilver".
Back then it was presumably considered cool...

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Why come nobody told me we were playing "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon"?!?!?!

18 mph is equivalent to running a 4.4 second 40 yard dash. Try doing that on a crowded street or sidewalk and maintain any semblance of control or avoidance of contact.

Most on this board, if going balls out as fast as they can run, can't break 5 seconds.

The solution is simple. Speed bumps on the sidewalks.

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The solution is simple. Speed bumps on the sidewalks.

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That's what the pedestrians are for

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/new-york-has-a-new-e-bike-speed-limit-and-no-way-to-enforce-it/ar-AA1K4G5M

The horror!

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"We have nowhere to escape. The stress level of having to look behind, above, next to you at every sidewalk is exhausting," said Ron Wisniski, a Hell's Kitchen resident of 45 years.

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People are speeding around on e-bikes in NYC and it's got to stop! They're killling dogs and innocent bystanders (well, anecdotally).

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"E-bikers are speeding, running red lights, they're all over the sidewalks maiming and killing dogs and people." One of her group members' dog died after it was struck by an e-bike on the sidewalk, she said. In March, a 49-year-old Brooklyn man was reportedly killed by an e-bike while crossing the street.

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So the mayor passed a law. 15 mph max on e-bikes or else you get a ticket.

But there's a problem. E-bikes aren't registered. They don't have license plates. Short of putting cops on corners with radar guns and then chasing after them, there's no way to give e-bike riders tickets.

On top of that, e-bikes have become a very important part of NYC's economy. Over 30,000 Uber Eats & DoorDash delivery persons use them to bring food to hungry residents fast.

Slow those bike down!

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The city has gotten at least one win: Citi Bike operator Lyft said it would reduce the top speed of its pedal-assist bikes in the city-backed network from 18 mph to 15 mph. But that won't affect the bikes used by private riders, which can top out at 28 mph.

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Omigosh 28 mph! That's puppy killing speed for sure.

But buried deep in the article, in the third to last paragraph is this nugget of info:

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The city's regulation doesn't apply to traditional bicycles, which can reach speeds upwards of 40 mph going downhill, no battery required.

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Perhaps they should ban all bikes, then. I mean, nobody should be allowed to go that fast in a city.

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. It takes a pretty good hill to hit 40, I think.

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E bikes are basically motorcycles now. They should have to follow the same laws.

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18 mph motorcycles?

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They go faster than 18 mph.

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According to the article the rentals in NYC are now electronically restricted from 18 mph to 15 mph.

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Ok, so one e-bike rental company in NYC agreed to limit their speed to 15 MPH. I don't see how that applies to anyone that goes out buys their own e-bike, or uses a different rental service. The article specifically mentions that the 15 MPH limit does not apply to privately owned bikes. If you think all e-bikes in NYC are limited to 15 MPH, you are wrong. Plenty of them go 30-40 MPH.

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AustinAg2K said:

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techno-ag said:

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AustinAg2K said:

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E bikes are basically motorcycles now. They should have to follow the same laws.

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18 mph motorcycles?

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They go faster than 18 mph.

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According to the article the rentals in NYC are now electronically restricted from 18 mph to 15 mph.

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Ok, so one e-bike rental company in NYC agreed to limit their speed to 15 MPH. I don't see how that applies to anyone that goes out buys their own e-bike, or uses a different rental service. The article specifically mentions that the 15 MPH limit does not apply to privately owned bikes. If you think all e-bikes in NYC are limited to 15 MPH, you are wrong. Plenty of them go 30-40 MPH.

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Right on, right on as Rush used to say.

And that's why the new citywide speed limit is so ridiculous. Private bikes are not registered and do not have license plates. Enforcing the speed limits on private e-bikes is tilting at windmills (another green disaster BTW).

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E bikes wouldn't exist if not for the climate change hoax. I wonder how many of the idiots that live in that hell hole worshipped at the Green Altar?

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Lolwut

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techno-ag said:

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E bikes are basically motorcycles now. They should have to follow the same laws.

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18 mph motorcycles?

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Getting hit by an e-bike at 18mph is the equivalent of being run over by an athlete as they're crossing the finish line of a 4.54 40. You would absolutely get trucked.

E-bikes are 50-60 pounds. Add that to the weight of a median person, around 185, and you're at 235 lbs. That's basically an NFL linebacker hitting you as hard as they can.

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Sure. The point I'm making is an 18 mph e-bike cannot perform like a Harley or a dirtbike. It can't get up to highway speeds, much less typical street speed limits of 45 mph. There's no way it should be / can be regulated like a motorcycle. The comparison is way off.

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So true... they will leave a Hardley Ableson
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But, you don't have to wear black for it to run.

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Rexter said:

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techno-ag said:

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techno-ag said:

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AustinAg2K said:

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E bikes are basically motorcycles now. They should have to follow the same laws.

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18 mph motorcycles?

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Getting hit by an e-bike at 18mph is the equivalent of being run over by an athlete as they're crossing the finish line of a 4.54 40. You would absolutely get trucked.

E-bikes are 50-60 pounds. Add that to the weight of a median person, around 185, and you're at 235 lbs. That's basically an NFL linebacker hitting you as hard as they can.

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Sure. The point I'm making is an 18 mph e-bike cannot perform like a Harley or a dirtbike. It can't get up to highway speeds, much less typical street speed limits of 45 mph. There's no way it should be / can be regulated like a motorcycle. The comparison is way off.

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So true... they will leave a Hardley Ableson
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But, you don't have to wear black for it to run.

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Good news. Don't want cops shooting at you.

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JaxDad said:

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The solution is simple. Speed bumps on the sidewalks.

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That's what the pedestrians are for

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Now THIS is how you TexAgs!

Thankfully, I don't live in NYC.

As a motorcycle owner, my opinion, if I have to register my street legal dirt bike in order to operate it on the roads, e-bikes should have to do the same!

I'm not talking power assist, but the fully electric bikes (or those that are hacked with small engines). Unfortunately, I have yet to see one pulled over for operating a motorized vehicle on a public roadway, much less for blowing through stop signs, red lights or driving the wrong way.

If I'm a cop and it's a slow day, seems like those would be easy tickets to issue.

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The solution is simple. Speed bumps on the sidewalks.

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I think NYC is only 2nd to DC in lawyer density. Think about it.

Dang, just off the Uber eats guys 30K e-bikes x $100 a sticker/tag that would bring in a cool $3 million,

Can't believe those taxaholics haven't written that law yet.

They're not registered yet.

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"E-bikers are speeding, running red lights, they're all over the sidewalks maiming and killing dogs and people." One of her group members' dog died after it was struck by an e-bike on the sidewalk, she said. In March, a 49-year-old Brooklyn man was reportedly killed by an e-bike while crossing the street.

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I'd like the see the statistics on how many people (and pets) are killed by e-bikes versus automobiles.

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"E-bikers are speeding, running red lights, they're all over the sidewalks maiming and killing dogs and people." One of her group members' dog died after it was struck by an e-bike on the sidewalk, she said. In March, a 49-year-old Brooklyn man was reportedly killed by an e-bike while crossing the street.

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I'd like the see the statistics on how many people (and pets) are killed by e-bikes versus automobiles.

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They're just as bad as motorcycles according to some.

If you ever want to go to BIKE hell, take a walk around Amsterdam.

Those people are PSYCHOTIC on their bikes. It's unreal.

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The broomstick may be the solution.

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They will burn you for riding them.

Blackhorse83 said:

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E bikes wouldn't exist if not for the climate change hoax. I wonder how many of the idiots that live in that hell hole worshipped at the Green Altar?

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What? That's not even a little bit true. E bikes are everywhere. Hell I rode my bike for 3 hours today and saw three people on them. They're very popular with "older" folks and people not in very good shape that want the exercise but aren't capable of riding very far or can't handle hills. I see them at most every cycling event I do, again being ridden by people that probably can't do 25+ miles on their own but want to be out there riding for some exercise.

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18 mph is equivalent to running a 4.4 second 40 yard dash. Try doing that on a crowded street or sidewalk and maintain any semblance of control or avoidance of contact.

Most on this board, if going balls out as fast as they can run, can't break 5 seconds.

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Especially if my balls are out.

[url=https://youtu.be/BklukLhNm8k?si=JZ_6wvkJMPfo_zgS][/url]The Counselor......... the motorcycle scene


How to stop the bikes on a NY sidewalk