Teaching isn't considered a respectable profession anymore. There didn't used to be as many of these issues around because so many teachers had full careers as teachers, and a smaller amount of young teachers were in the classroom.

Now, nearly half of teachers quit within five years, and there's a constant supply of new teachers who 1. are close to the same age as their students (in high schools) and 2. haven't really seen how bad some decisions can turn out. The lack of maturity leads to bad decisions. (For the second one, I really think we need to quit treating college students as kids and make them be the young adults they are.)

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I really think we need to quit treating college students as kids and make them be the young adults they are.)

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It's a different subject but moving the drinking age into college impacted this, along with driving more HS students to marijuana.

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Looks like she was 23 and he was 17. While sordid and immoral, I'm uncertain how criminal it should be.

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It's criminal for the sole reason that she was his teacher and in a position of power over him.

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Oh, I understand that, if they'd met somewhere else, how criminal would it be? And LOL, "power over him" what horny 17 year old would turn that down. I don't meant to imply that it shouldn't have punishment, just how criminal it should be. She's on a sex registry with 40 year old men who targeted 10 year old girls. Huge difference I think.if they were both 2 years older no one would blink.

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If they met anywhere else there would likely be no reciprocal attraction from her to him.

There's some Stockholm for the male in addition to his hormone fueled 17year old nature. But there's likely also something for the power that she holds over him as his authority figure, probably combined with "our little secret."

To your point about being the same as a 40 yr old doing unspeakable things to a 10 year old, I do agree it's not the same. That said, we as a society have said that we do not approve of it and as such she's betrayed the trust that the public, that parents, had placed in her to look after and teach their kids.

Absolutely... It's February... Within a year (maybe just a few months) that "kid" could be an 18 year old HS graduate and she could be his boss at the sheet metal stamping plant and they could be going at it on their lunch break. But the difference here, though probably a violation of company policy and a fireable offense, her position of authority is voluntary through their employment and not a compelled/compulsory authority via the state.

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This really is the ideal situation for these poor 17 year old male "victims." Spend hours slamming a hot teacher who is a few years older, then when she starts getting clingy or weird, just report her to the cops and away to prison she goes.

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Women seems to avoid prison time. It's the men who end up in prison for banging female students.

The women in cases like these, and it really seems so with the really hot ones, are usually very childish and immature.

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Why does this keep happening over and over again?

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Turn off the tv, turn off your music, and sit and ponder this question you asked. I bet you can come up with the answer.

It has always happened, is happening now, it will happen in the future.

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One thing I have yet to see is a post-menopausal female teacher seducing a male student. Maybe we should hire more old school marms.

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Feel sorry for all you dudes who haven't ever experienced a 3+ hour session. It's totally doable (heh) if you are in good shape with an attractive partner and have had no alcohol. If you need some performance enhancing drugs then stick to Viagra/generics. Easily legally obtainable.

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I'm adding 3.5 hour sex to my F54 resume of $20M net worth and driving an Aston Martin Valhalla.

Unfortunately, the reality is that I'm only a little over halfway to $20M in net worth, drive a 10 yr old sports car, and give my wife the best 30 seconds of her life every Sunday.

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She got deported?

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Might have been! Who knows

All I know is she was bat **** crazy. So in her case, screwing students was not a good decision and I'm surprised any of them did but maybe they just needed to try out some latina

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Teaching isn't considered a respectable profession anymore. There didn't used to be as many of these issues around because so many teachers had full careers as teachers, and a smaller amount of young teachers were in the classroom.

Now, nearly half of teachers quit within five years, and there's a constant supply of new teachers who 1. are close to the same age as their students (in high schools) and 2. haven't really seen how bad some decisions can turn out. The lack of maturity leads to bad decisions. (For the second one, I really think we need to quit treating college students as kids and make them be the young adults they are.)

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This has always gone on. It just gets more attention now and isn't swept under the rug like it used to.

No kids, I assume? How would you even consider staying in this marriage?

Has always been a problem and can lead to bigger problems for communities. Those that can't be trusted with students should go work in another industry imo. Plenty of examples locally back when reporting/ removing was often not taken seriously.
Coach/ Principal chasing the same girl turned deadly. Billy Mac Fleming/ Hurley Fontenot at HD
Band director abusing male students for decades. James Pelloat at Newton and other schools.
Head Football Coach/ Principal caught with female assistant principal by janitor reportedly after many years of similar behavior. School board finally asked for his resignation but was common knowledge for years.

As a teacher who has seen issues (though not this specific one yet), there's one easy solution: high schools should not hire anyone who is younger than maybe 28.

In my school, I have seen several teachers hired who were former students, and who were classmates with kids that they would be teaching.

We should see this hot teacher on a mugshawty post soon!

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The reason? Messaging capabilities. Much easier to communicate, groom, seduce, and plan undetected

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Definitely agree with this.

We had one phone in our house growing up. Hard to get away with secret communications with your mom and dad sitting right there.

Not saying it didn't happen. We had a scandal in high school with our band director and a senior girl. But it's a lot easier now for things to escalate quickly.

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Looks like she was 23 and he was 17. While sordid and immoral, I'm uncertain how criminal it should be.

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It's criminal for the sole reason that she was his teacher and in a position of power over him.

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That's unethical, not a crime.

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Isn't 17 still a minor?

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What is this from?

husband looks like a dude who would stick by after this

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What is this from?

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The Last Picture Show…..coach's wife if I remember correctly.

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Teaching isn't considered a respectable profession anymore. There didn't used to be as many of these issues around because so many teachers had full careers as teachers, and a smaller amount of young teachers were in the classroom.

Now, nearly half of teachers quit within five years, and there's a constant supply of new teachers who 1. are close to the same age as their students (in high schools) and 2. haven't really seen how bad some decisions can turn out. The lack of maturity leads to bad decisions. (For the second one, I really think we need to quit treating college students as kids and make them be the young adults they are.)

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I respect it even more now. Parenting, in general, is atrocious if existent at all and teachers are hamstrung. Teachers are leaving because the crap pay isn't worth what they have to deal with.

1 - Is that The Alamo in the background of one of the pics of her? (only scanned the last page or so after reading page 1)

2 - I knew of a couple of instances of this happening when I was in HS, one was a buddy of mine and an art teacher and many knew about it (early 90's)

3 - 3+ hours isn't a big deal at any age. It doesn't mean there is penetration the entire time. There is a lot of taking of turns of who does what or receives what. It's not all P---->V or 69. Grow up.

The road goes on forever….back in the early 80's, my brother-in-law (then a junior in high school) impregnated the head football coach's wife. She was the head volleyball coach and his football coach took him in to live with them for two years when both his parents had died. They stayed married and raised the child who got a full ride D-1 athletic scholarship and is a successful corporate executive, spouse and parent today.

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It's horrible...


but I bet every warm-blooded, straight guy in the school high-fived him.

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Probably had to get rotator cuff surgery from it.

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As a teacher who has seen issues (though not this specific one yet), there's one easy solution: high schools should not hire anyone who is younger than maybe 28.

In my school, I have seen several teachers hired who were former students, and who were classmates with kids that they would be teaching.

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And only hire female teachers who would cap size a canoe.

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The reason? Messaging capabilities. Much easier to communicate, groom, seduce, and plan undetected

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Definitely agree with this.

We had one phone in our house growing up. Hard to get away with secret communications with your mom and dad sitting right there.

Not saying it didn't happen. We had a scandal in high school with our band director and a senior girl. But it's a lot easier now for things to escalate quickly.

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Easier to escalate? Yep.
Easier to eventually get convicted? Yep.

I know at least 3 couples who met this way. First is an older retired couple. He was the ag teacher and she was a senior. Older woman who knew them talked about giggling with her friends who spied on them before school when they'd kiss behind the gym. 50+ years of marriage.

The other two were coaches. First was in early 80s. They're still together, respected members of the community.

The second was a young coach. She was from a less well off family. Her mother encouraged the relationship while she was in high school. He had a decent job etc. That one did not last, they are since divorced.

All would be considered illegal today, third one technically was. But it's really not the government's business what happens in the bedroom. Let schools and families take care of it if there's a problem. (IB4 "my family would take care of it with a shotgun!")

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The road goes on forever….back in the early 80's, my brother-in-law (then a junior in high school) impregnated the head football coach's wife. She was the head volleyball coach and his football coach took him in to live with them for two years when both his parents had died. They stayed married and raised the child who got a full ride D-1 athletic scholarship and is a successful corporate executive, spouse and parent today.

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That's a wild story. So the coach just accepted it and let the dude live in the house after all that?

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What is this from?

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The Last Picture Show…..coach's wife if I remember correctly.

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Great movie. Can't think of one with a better cast.

The fact that the husband stayed with her tells you all you need to know about why she did what she did……. what a weakling.

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The Last Picture Show…..coach's wife if I remember correctly.

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That is one of my favorite McMurtry novels because almost every character in the story could have been a person I knew growing up in a small town.

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The fact that the husband stayed with her tells you all you need to know about why she did what she did……. what a weakling.

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Maybe. I doubt we'll ever know the full story. Supposedly women cheat for emotional reasons. Some survey I read said it's often for revenge when they find out hubs was unfaithful. Maybe he feels guilt and wants to salvage the marriage. Maybe he really loves her and mourns with her over this bad decision she made.

Anyway, God bless their marriage and may they return to obscurity.

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Why does this keep happening over and over again?

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Turn off the tv, turn off your music, and sit and ponder this question you asked. I bet you can come up with the answer.

It has always happened, is happening now, it will happen in the future.

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One thing I have yet to see is a post-menopausal female teacher seducing a male student. Maybe we should hire more old school marms.

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We had too may olds at our HS, but there were a few younger ones who slept with a few male students.

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The fact that the husband stayed with her tells you all you need to know about why she did what she did……. what a weakling.

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I think more than a weakling...

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Jarrin Jay said:

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The fact that the husband stayed with her tells you all you need to know about why she did what she did……. what a weakling.

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I think more than a weakling...

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Maybe she wore him out and he needed three hours of relief?

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And only hire female teachers who would cap size a canoe.

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As long as they don't have a septum piercing and blue/green/pink hair

1. It does look like the Alamo at Christmas time. She's been to the Alamo at Christmas time and I've been to the Alamo at Christmas time. Makes you think...