Big Al 1992 said:

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Wasn't the whole plot of Angles and Demons that resources couldn't keep up with the exponential population growth therefore they needed some sort of extinction event - similar to the plague in the 1500's.

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I think that was Inferno

Earthquake in the Philippines may support this.

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Kenneth_2003 said:

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Generally speaking... The problem isn't the reduction. It's the rate at which the reduction occurs. Especially when it's biased on the older side due to life spans shifting to the right.

In a subsistence society it's probably not as bad. In a welfare state civilization with social safety nets it can be catastrophic, especially if it's too rapid.

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we need to learn to let me people die naturally. My in-laws are in their mid to late 80's and their quality of life is nearly non existent for my MIL and my FIL has had full blown Alzheimer's for the past 4 years and is breathing but not living. He no longer takes any medications and his medical care is still roughly $10k a month, My MIL is still independent, but wishes she would just die as she is in constant pain and most of her friends have passed. This has opened mine and my wife's eyes and realize the number of years are not as important as the number of quality years. The elderly care "retirement" community they live in is nice, but most of the residents are just biding their time. It is really sad to see. The reason we need a high replacement rate is a result of an enormous economic burden by the long term non-productive elderly who are in essence either fully or partially funded by a welfare program (Medicare, etc…) that needs multiples of payees to fund the cost of a si gel recipient.

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Time to bring back smoking.

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AG N ASIA said:

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Kenneth_2003 said:

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Generally speaking... The problem isn't the reduction. It's the rate at which the reduction occurs. Especially when it's biased on the older side due to life spans shifting to the right.

In a subsistence society it's probably not as bad. In a welfare state civilization with social safety nets it can be catastrophic, especially if it's too rapid.

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we need to learn to let me people die naturally. My in-laws are in their mid to late 80's and their quality of life is nearly non existent for my MIL and my FIL has had full blown Alzheimer's for the past 4 years and is breathing but not living. He no longer takes any medications and his medical care is still roughly $10k a month, My MIL is still independent, but wishes she would just die as she is in constant pain and most of her friends have passed. This has opened mine and my wife's eyes and realize the number of years are not as important as the number of quality years. The elderly care "retirement" community they live in is nice, but most of the residents are just biding their time. It is really sad to see. The reason we need a high replacement rate is a result of an enormous economic burden by the long term non-productive elderly who are in essence either fully or partially funded by a welfare program (Medicare, etc…) that needs multiples of payees to fund the cost of a si gel recipient.

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Time to bring back smoking.

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Smoking might increase population. That is if the kids know the old saying "if she smokes, she pokes"

Like a flare going off in the middle of the night directing you to the target

DeschutesAg said:

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U.S. population 1984: 235M
U.S. population 2024: 340M

Quality of life then vs now:

Vehicles are much better now than in 1984, except for the stupid DEF liquid stuff required on diesel engines.

The same medical advances and technological advances would have occurred. Maybe at a slightly slower rate of discovery.

Overall, quality of life was better with 235M.

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Don't confuse issues caused by population numbers with issues cause by democrats.

TexAgs91 said:

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DeschutesAg said:

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U.S. population 1984: 235M
U.S. population 2024: 340M

Quality of life then vs now:

Vehicles are much better now than in 1984, except for the stupid DEF liquid stuff required on diesel engines.

The same medical advances and technological advances would have occurred. Maybe at a slightly slower rate of discovery.

Overall, quality of life was better with 235M.

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Don't confuse issues caused by population numbers with issues cause by democrats.

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I suspect that they go hand-in-hand. Population centers seem to breed a detachment from self-sufficiency and merit.

DannyDuberstein said:

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The poor keep producing, the well off do not. That's where the problem comes in.

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And the well off do not bc they don't want to deal with the poor- kids and parents' ****ty behavior and cultures.

infinity ag said:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_fertility_rate#Country_ranking_by_most_recent_year
Total Fertility rate (no of babies per woman)
1: Chad: 5.94
93: World: 2.24
115: India 1.94
147 United States 1.62
228 China: 102
234 South Korea 0.75

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dang wiki screws up again - I know it's a mistake but I had to laugh at 102 children per woman in China. there are 700 million women in China. Good god. That would be insane population explosion!



Sorry to distract - Carry on good people.

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dang wiki screws up again - I know it's a mistake but I had to laugh at 102 children per woman in China. t

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Old joke:

Speaker: "A woman in China gives birth every 2 seconds."

Teasip in audience: "We've got to find that woman and stop her!"

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dang wiki screws up again - I know it's a mistake but I had to laugh at 102 children per woman in China. t

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Old joke:

Speaker: "A woman in China gives birth every 2 seconds."

Teasip in audience: "We've got to find that woman and stop her!"

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Over_ed said:

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itsyourboypookie said:

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The world needs worker bees to support boomer entitlements

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You seem to have a real problem (either w/Boomers or math.). Youngest boomers will in their 90's before these kids graduate from school.

It is not Boomers these kids will be supporting, I know it is hard to hear. :-)

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With advances in modern science, and boomers high level of income, it's not crazy to think some will live to 245, 300.

3rd world population could definitely use some reduction.

India's population is decreasing because they're all in Frisco.

DeschutesAg said:

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U.S. population 1984: 235M
U.S. population 2024: 340M

Quality of life then vs now:

Vehicles are much better now than in 1984, except for the stupid DEF liquid stuff required on diesel engines.

The same medical advances and technological advances would have occurred. Maybe at a slightly slower rate of discovery.

Overall, quality of life was better with 235M.

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The 80's were the pinnacle of culture and greatness in the US.

More evidence it's the phones:@Caitlin_K_Myers and Ezekiel Hooper find "the diffusion of the iPhone explains 33–52% of the decline in the general fertility rate among women aged 15–44" since 2007.https://t.co/rp19NNhc32 pic.twitter.com/YssI8BPm13

— Jeremy Neufeld (@JeremyLNeufeld) June 8, 2026

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K2-HMFIC said:

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More evidence it's the phones:@Caitlin_K_Myers and Ezekiel Hooper find "the diffusion of the iPhone explains 33–52% of the decline in the general fertility rate among women aged 15–44" since 2007.https://t.co/rp19NNhc32 pic.twitter.com/YssI8BPm13

— Jeremy Neufeld (@JeremyLNeufeld) June 8, 2026

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Not surprising at all. Mobile phones and social media greatly accelerated the already declining birth rates in modern cultures. Basically putting lighter fluid on an existing fire.

Guess we can think Steve Jobs for helping to destroy humanity.

Depends on which part of the population is being reduced as to whether it's a bad thing or a good thing.

Martels Hammer said:

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I will paraphrase Peter Z.

There is not an economic system known to work off of a shrinking population. Capitalism always assumes growth , communism assumes status quo.

And as pointed out above. There's not a welfare system on the planet that can survive it. Germany's liability for its pensioners doesn't work even with a growing population of Germans. It really doesn't work when it's young people aren't German.

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One of the twisted ideas about open borders is that the illegal immigrants will support the older pensioners through taxes. Minnesota has shown us that the older Americans are supporting the illegal immigrants through fraud.

Too much population is bad if it taxes resources or does too much real environmental damage.

Not enough population is bad because it is literally fewer high IQ minds available to solve problems and do high order creative thinking, so the pace of the technological improvements that make human life more prosperous and efficient slows and everyone suffers more than they otherwise might due to this opportunity cost. Lower population is also less labor for production which is ok IF the population reduction is very slow, but if it is rapid or uneven across generations, it can create insufficient labor to sustain very old and very young populations.

TexAgs91 said:

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Don't confuse issues caused by population numbers with issues cause by democrats.

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It has nothing to do with Democrats or Republicans.

Why do we need more short people?

flown-the-coop said:

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Earthquake in the Philippines may support this.

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Quaker Migration?

zephyr88 said:

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Harsh truth... if the world would stop sending food to countries where food can't be grown, the overpopulation in some places would naturally correct itself. Some cultures just multiply because they don't have anything else to do but f*** and wait on the next shipment of food to arrive.

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In other words, Islamic countries.

The Ex Officio Director said:

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backintexas2013 said:

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Look who Op is. Everything is about corporations

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OP blames CEOs for the lack of cheese on his taco.

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If I am paying for it, yes. I am not about to get ripped off. And that is one reason I am financially in great shape today.
I pay them good hard-earned legally generated money and they damn well put enough cheese on my taco.

Else they are hearing from me. I have done it in the past when Chipotle put just rice and no chicken in my chicken burrito and I complained and they apologized and sent me coupons for free food.

But I never cheat corporations unless they try to cheat me first. If they send me crap products and take good money from me, then all bets are off. I know ways to cheat them back. *wink*

YouBet said:

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We've had this discussion multiple times and very recently at that. OPs question was answered there ad nauseam from all angles. We should just pin one of those prior threads at this point.

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Why didn't you do it in your reply?

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infinity ag said:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_fertility_rate#Country_ranking_by_most_recent_year
Total Fertility rate (no of babies per woman)
1: Chad: 5.94
93: World: 2.24
115: India 1.94
147 United States 1.62
228 China: 102
234 South Korea 0.75

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dang wiki screws up again - I know it's a mistake but I had to laugh at 102 children per woman in China. there are 700 million women in China. Good god. That would be insane population explosion!



Sorry to distract - Carry on good people.

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Urk. Sorry. My mistake, I did not copy-paste, I typed it.

Apologies.

Thank you Mr/Ms Eagle-Eye, I just fixed the OP!

doubledog said:

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Martels Hammer said:

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I will paraphrase Peter Z.

There is not an economic system known to work off of a shrinking population. Capitalism always assumes growth , communism assumes status quo.

And as pointed out above. There's not a welfare system on the planet that can survive it. Germany's liability for its pensioners doesn't work even with a growing population of Germans. It really doesn't work when it's young people aren't German.

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One of the twisted ideas about open borders is that the illegal immigrants will support the older pensioners through taxes. Minnesota has shown us that the older Americans are supporting the illegal immigrants through fraud.

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Look, everything comes down to corporations and their greed of making more money than they deserve. And they co-opt politicians to open gates for them. This nexus then fools the public with such bs reasons.

"We need taken from outside".
"We need people to do labor jobs"
"Americans are lazy"

Just shut down the border for 100 years, things will stabilize after some time. Life isn't guaranteed to be easy. We try to make it easy and kick the can down the road.

The US government needs to enact strict population controls on Guam so it doesn't tip over and capsize.

Not enough people to pay into social security over a long enough period of time and old people will have to work until dead.

Edit: My wife and I went on a trip to South Korea and we saw maybe 50 young children in total, old people everywhere, a staggering amount of automation.

leftlane4passing said:

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Not enough people to pay into social security over a long enough period of time and old people will have to work until dead.

Edit: My wife and I went on a trip to South Korea and we saw maybe 50 young children in total, old people everywhere, a staggering amount of automation.

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In other words, a ponzi scheme.

infinity ag said:

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leftlane4passing said:

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Not enough people to pay into social security over a long enough period of time and old people will have to work until dead.

Edit: My wife and I went on a trip to South Korea and we saw maybe 50 young children in total, old people everywhere, a staggering amount of automation.

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In other words, a ponzi scheme.

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I mean, sure. I personally don't mind paying into a system that allows old people to retire without having to solely rely on their children or their own 401k/investments.

leftlane4passing said:

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infinity ag said:

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leftlane4passing said:

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Not enough people to pay into social security over a long enough period of time and old people will have to work until dead.

Edit: My wife and I went on a trip to South Korea and we saw maybe 50 young children in total, old people everywhere, a staggering amount of automation.

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In other words, a ponzi scheme.

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I mean, sure. I personally don't mind paying into a system that allows old people to retire without having to solely rely on their children or their own 401k/investments.

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I mind, because that system is a net negative to my own 401k/investments.

Were it not for the forced participation in a system that has zero returns I could retire probably 10-15 years earlier than I will be able to. Which means I could be looking at a very comfortable retirement right now instead of the current situation.

zephyr88 said:

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Harsh truth... if the world would stop sending food to countries where food can't be grown, the overpopulation in some places would naturally correct itself. Some cultures just multiply because they don't have anything else to do but f*** and wait on the next shipment of food to arrive.

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Are these cultures accepting new citizens? Because that sounds pretty great...

schmellba99 said:

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leftlane4passing said:

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infinity ag said:

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leftlane4passing said:

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Not enough people to pay into social security over a long enough period of time and old people will have to work until dead.

Edit: My wife and I went on a trip to South Korea and we saw maybe 50 young children in total, old people everywhere, a staggering amount of automation.

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In other words, a ponzi scheme.

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I mean, sure. I personally don't mind paying into a system that allows old people to retire without having to solely rely on their children or their own 401k/investments.

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I mind, because that system is a net negative to my own 401k/investments.

Were it not for the forced participation in a system that has zero returns I could retire probably 10-15 years earlier than I will be able to. Which means I could be looking at a very comfortable retirement right now instead of the current situation.

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I get that, I'm only 5 years into my career so I haven't had time to become frustrated with it yet. If you want that to happen tho, we're going to need the median age of out elected officials to drop by like 30 years.