You forgot this is Texags. Where everone has to have the last word and make someone feel like a bad guy.

I have another person on my side... does that mean I win???

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Those extra shells, the bolt action, the scope - hell, they are just bells and whistles now aren't they?

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See, now that is just a flat out dumb statement (along with some of your other comments). All of those things you just listed improve performance, so they add value. An accurized rifle or glass bedding is not going to improve anything at 100-200 yards. So, back to my original question....what is the purpose of a customized rifle up to 300 yards?

And you are right, I don't own a gun safe full of guns. I own 1 shotgun, 3 rifles (one of which was passed down to me), and a pistol. I am a simple guy.

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...you would have gotten quite a bit more cordial responses.

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And what does this mean? You are the main one that is bent out of shape. I don't see anyone else on this thread with sand in their panties.

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So we can deduce that at the deer camp, you don't get to sword fight many rounds but likely come home with just as much if not more meat when the hunt is over.

thats my assessment.....but thats because I dont have many guns.

Please dont use "deer lease" and "sword fight" in the same sentence.

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An accurized rifle or glass bedding is not going to improve anything at 100-200 yards.

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This proves you don't get it. You pick a 6" circle with that thinking, hoping to hit the aim point. I pick which eye or which ear I put the round thru with my accurized Rem 700s.

Is it absolutely necessary? No. Will it put more meat on the table statistically in a shooter's hands? Hell yes.

Alright, I'm sold. I'm going to get a custom gun tomorrow. Come on tx. Are you really going to try to sell me on a custom rifle with the justification that it puts more meat on the table because you can shoot their eye? That is actually pretty funny!

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I started a thread asking for opinions.

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you clumsily masked your rant behind a title asking for opinions.

you came across as having no intention of civil discussion.

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And what does this mean? You are the main one that is bent out of shape. I don't see anyone else on this thread with sand in their panties.

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You could easily apply this statement to the OP.

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I am a simple guy.

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A simple man would understand that he doesnt need to impress anyone else, and wouldnt feel like he has to tear down others to better himself.

For me, (and I don't own a custom rifle yet--never have) is that I want the ultimate in accuracy in a rifle for two reasons.

First, I want a rifle that shoots as accurate as possible because then I know when shooting that if I miss or the shot is bad it's the indian, not the bow. Helps me get better.

Secondly, shooting accurately is as much mental as anything. Having a gun that I KNOW can put holes in a sub MOA group is a big confidence builder. Especially when I'm staring through the sights at a big buck.

I don't have custom rifles. I have accurized rifles. Big difference in cost. To me, I agree with you that the customized rifles are nice show pieces, but the cost of them is way out of my budget. I spend that $$ on other stuff.

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you came across as having no intention of civil discussion.

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I wasn't planning on having a discussion. I just wanted to see what people's opinions were.

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You could easily apply this statement to the OP.

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It was freaking 2:15am in the morning after a LONG night of drinking. I can't stand this guy and neither can most other folks at my work. He was the prime example of someone that I could see owning a custom rifle that doesn't even get to recognize the benefits of it (or atleast what I think the benefits are).

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A simple man would understand that he doesnt need to impress anyone else, and wouldnt feel like he has to tear down others to better himself.

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Good advice there Dr. Phil.

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See, now that is just a flat out dumb statement (along with some of your other comments). All of those things you just listed improve performance, so they add value. An accurized rifle or glass bedding is not going to improve anything at 100-200 yards. So, back to my original question....what is the purpose of a customized rifle up to 300 yards?

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You lost the argument right there when you stated that having a custom built rifle doesn't improve performance.

You are also projecting your arbitrary standards of "good enough" to the rest of the world and stating that anything that exceeds your tolerances are a waste, which is pretty immature and childish.

For example - shooting an 8" group at 300 yards is obviously "good enough" for you, because that is good enough to drop a deer at that range.

But I bet there are more on here that would damn near cry if that's the best either themselves or their rifle is capable of - because our personal standards dictate that your definition of "good enough" is not what we personally want to be able to do.

Again - your lack of understanding of improving of performance is pretty damning on your argument, and you don't seem to have grasped the concept of "personal preference". I also again ask "why does it matter to you what somebody else chooses to spend their money on in terms of quality of rifles?"

I bet you also begrudge people that drive a better car or truck than you do, or own more land than you personally feel is necessary to accomplish the task of deer hunting, but those are just guesses.

I heart this thread so much it hurts.

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I wasn't planning on having a discussion. I just wanted to see what people's opinions were, and then bash them for not agreeing with my close-minded views

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you mean this?

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It was freaking 2:15am in the morning after a LONG night of drinking. I can't stand this guy and neither can most other folks at my work. He was the prime example of someone that I could see owning a custom rifle that doesn't even get to recognize the benefits of it (or atleast what I think the benefits are).

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justify your actions however you see fit. If you are proud of yourself at the end of the day, then who am I to argue.

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Good advice there Dr. Phil.

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You will never get it.

That's 3 on my side BTW, haha. I'm totally winning.

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You lost the argument right there when you stated that having a custom built rifle doesn't improve performance.

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No, you didn't read the whole sentence. I said "at 100-200 yards". That was the whole purpose of me talking about my co-worker in the first post. He never shoots anything unless its at a feeder. And most people that I know don't put their feeders 350 yards away from their blind.


And nobody drives a better truck than I do. If you drive a F-150 also, then you know that its the best on the market. And its not owned by Obama.

But custom/accurized rifles ARE more accurate at 100-200 yards.

Tmoney....I was asking 02 if he could shoot ragged holes at 100 yards off the bench with a gun out of the box with factory ammo.....

I was about to set the trap....who knows I could have wound up with the money for a custom rifle.

Hell, since apparently I have sand in my panties over this, might as well perpetuate my afternoon enjoyment.

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It was freaking 2:15am in the morning after a LONG night of drinking. I can't stand this guy and neither can most other folks at my work. He was the prime example of someone that I could see owning a custom rifle that doesn't even get to recognize the benefits of it (or at least what I think the benefits are).

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Ahhh...see there, it's all about what you percieve to be the benefits. Never mind what the owner (you know, the dude that paid for said rifle with his money) percieves as the benefits of having a custom built rifle - it's all about you.

What do you drive txaggie02? How many square feet is your house? Do you have a boat?

I ask these questions because if any of your answers exceeds my narrow minded (and very arbitrary, mind you) definition of "good enough", I want to publicly make fun of you on a message board and call you a dewsh and tell you how your extravagance makes me want to puke, etc.

Threads like this make me glad I bowhunt 97 percent of the time.

If i decide to hunt mule deer with a bow.....can I get a custom one?

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Ahhh...see there, it's all about what you percieve to be the benefits.

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This is your statement.

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But, what is the real benefit to a custom rifle?

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This is my original statement.

Let me see how much clearer I can make this for you.......

I, txaggie02, don't understand what the benefits are to shooting a custom rifle at 100-200 yards. I, txaggie02, don't believe that there is any difference between shooting a regular rifle or custom rifle at those distances. Can someone please explain to txaggie02 what the benefits are?

I don't need your rambling bs about how much money you have, what you drive or whatever. All I am asking for is the benefit to adding hundreds of dollars to a rifle that is used at those distances.

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It was freaking 2:15am in the morning after a LONG night of drinking.

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Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life son.

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No, you didn't read the whole sentence. I said "at 100-200 yards". That was the whole purpose of me talking about my co-worker in the first post. He never shoots anything unless its at a feeder. And most people that I know don't put their feeders 350 yards away from their blind.

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Let me think about this....yep, I'm sure of it. I read the entire drivel of your post. Then I laughed. Then I hung my head in shame. Then I wanted those 10 seconds of my life back. Then I laughed some more.

Surely you understand that accuracy can be improved at 100 or 200 yards (I also noticed how you then bumped your number up to 300 yards later in the same post, but we'll just stick with the smaller numbers for now. Wouldn't want your hangover from that LONG night of drinking to cause you to go into a panick from overthinking). I mean you DO understand this concept, right? That being able to shoot a 1/2" group at 200 yards is better than being able to shoot a 2" group at 200 yards? You do understand this concept, I hope? Please tell me you do.

And I noticed that you still haven't answered my question, so I'll repeat it, again:

Why do you care what your "co-worker" spends his personal money on when it comes to rifles?

Obviously you lose sleep over it, so come and sit down and tell the OB your thoughts and feelings. Was it because he got that video game as a kid and you didn't? Bring out these deep seated feelings and get them off your chest - after all, we do have Dr. Phil on board to help you through your time of anquish and heartbreak.

this doesnt seem like the first one of these threads from '02.

This is fun!

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I, txaggie02, don't understand what the benefits are to shooting a custom rifle at 100-200 yards. I, txaggie02, don't believe that there is any difference between shooting a regular rifle or custom rifle at those distances. Can someone please explain to txaggie02 what the benefits are?

I don't need your rambling bs about how much money you have, what you drive or whatever. All I am asking for is the benefit to adding hundreds of dollars to a rifle that is used at those distances.

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Son, you really need to learn how to read, because you obviously haven't done it one bit on this thread. About 15 different posters have provided very valid reasons that answer your question, but you just can't grasp those reasons because they don't fit into your definition of acceptable.

So go back, re-read this thread, then come back and tell us what you have learned.

While you are at it, please tell me where I stated anything about what I own, drive, make or any other form of materialism.

(Oh, and the only benefit that is really necessary is this: because he can afford to buy said rifles. No other real benefit is necessary when you get down to it.)

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Then I wanted those 10 seconds of my life back.

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Don't give me this. You keep coming back to this thread since you have nothing better to do. You have spent WAY more than 10 seconds on this thread.

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Why do you care what your "co-worker" spends his personal money on when it comes to rifles?

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I don't care. That is the problem at hand. He and I are the two in the office that hunt alot, so he thinks he has to tell me about everything that he buys, sells, kills, cleans, cooks, or whatever he does outdoors. It's something different every day of the week and it gets old. Like I said before, he is the perfect example of a dbag that buys stuff he absolutely doesn't need just so that he can brag about it. You sound like you would get along with him quite well.

How does your co-worker feel about you spending your money at titty bars? Does he think that is money well spent?

Does it matter what he thinks?

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Son, you really need to learn how to read, because you obviously haven't done it one bit on this thread. About 15 different posters have provided very valid reasons that answer your question, but you just can't grasp those reasons because they don't fit into your definition of acceptable.

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Actually, I have read all their post and agree with most of them. It's just a slow day at work and its kind of funny to see people like yourself get riled up over my post because you own a custom rifle. This board is pretty slow during the off season, so someone needs to stir the bucket every once in a while.

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How does your co-worker feel about you spending your money at titty bars? Does he think that is money well spent?

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Again, I asked about the benefits of custom rifle, not how much it cost. If you want me to tell you the benefits of going to a titty bar, I will be more than happy to explain it to you. DVM could also tell you, but he is in Africa.

I didnt ask you how much it cost, or even if it was worth it.



I only posed the question 'is it money well spent?'


Because in the end, it doesnt matter the amount or the perceived worth - you have a problem with how people chose to spend their dollars.

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I don't care. That is the problem at hand. He and I are the two in the office that hunt alot, so he thinks he has to tell me about everything that he buys, sells, kills, cleans, cooks, or whatever he does outdoors. It's something different every day of the week and it gets old. Like I said before, he is the perfect example of a dbag that buys stuff he absolutely doesn't need just so that he can brag about it. You sound like you would get along with him quite well.

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Why not just be happy that he enjoys hunting his way and hope that he does the same? Or man up and tell him that you don't really want to hear it.

You guys are going about this all wrong with txaggie02...our resident jackass. You have to put it into terms he understands.

Factory bought bewbs...


vs.

Custom built bewbs....


NOW DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE AND WHY YOU BRAG ABOUT THEM?!?!?!

No, its more of just the arrogance that goes along with the guy. It just happens to be that he owns custom rifles too and that I, unwillingly, have to hear about each and every one of them within 24 hours of him buying it. It's not about the money. If he bought a regular rifle, I wouldn't mind checking it out. I love looking at people's guns. However, everytime he shows me his rifles, he has to tell me about how much better they are, how he can shoot for miles, how expensive they are, and on and on and on. It's funny and annoying at the same time. Especially considering the circumstances of how he hunts (within 200 yards of his target).

im going to have to side with txaggie on teh custom rifle gig at 100-200 yard. For deer hunting i would say there is NO benefit. WTF difference does it make if one shoots 1/2" groups and the other shoots 1" groups? None...its a dead deer and no one knows whether you were aiming at the spot you hit or 1/2" over, nor does it matter.

That said, if you want a kick ass rifle that has bells whistles and the best of the best.....why the hell not have it? Males are going to waste money on something, so if thats your money sink of choice...more power to you.