Where???

Are triggers easy to change out? Mind you - I'm extremely stupid when it comes to stuff like this. I've only changed a hand guard, stock, spring, easy stuff.

My BIL changed out a trigger for me, but he's 750 miles away.

Takes 5 min. Hardest part is just holding the spring down when you push in the pin.

40 miles west of Waco. More info in my profile.

InfantryAg said:

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What Bender (has) said.

He did "forget" to mention the other important training you should be looking at...

Basic trauma medicine / hemorrhage control. If you're close to the ambulance, "Stop the Bleed" should suffice. It's short and is a fast 90% solution.

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Thank you, always worth mentioning. Glad you brought it up.

Have shot matches and taken a class with JRB (both students).

Good Ag and damn good dude, would recommend.

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Watchful Ag said:

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7.5" 300 blackout with suppressor and extended handguard for light attachment. Eotech on top and multiple 30rd mags loaded with 150 grain JHP.

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Same setup.

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Same

Just throwing this out there. If you did by chance use your gun in a home defense type situation it's possible your ears wont be ringing after the initial shooting with your adrenaline pumping. That's not to say you couldn't still have permanent hearing damage.

I'm curious for those of you running 300BO with supers, whats your reasoning of using that over 5.56?

I have worked in refineries and power plants for 15 years. I cant hear **** anyways. I went with a 300blk only cause Texian had it on the shelf and I had FU money at the time, so I bought it.

beb08 said:

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Just throwing this out there. If you did by chance use your gun in a home defense type situation it's possible your ears wont be ringing after the initial shooting with your adrenaline pumping. That's not to say you couldn't still have permanent hearing damage.

I'm curious for those of you running 300BO with supers, whats your reasoning of using that over 5.56?

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It has more to do with the long term damage than it does anything right at that moment.

Shooting an unsuppressed short barrel 5.56 indoors, especially multiple times, could be like winning the battle but losing the war.

without a 37 mm undermount grenade launcher, it is virtually worthless, especially in the zombie apocalypse.

zooguy96 said:

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Are triggers easy to change out? Mind you - I'm extremely stupid when it comes to stuff like this. I've only changed a hand guard, stock, spring, easy stuff.

My BIL changed out a trigger for me, but he's 750 miles away.

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Same, same. I cursed the day I was born during the install of one trigger. I vowed to never do it again, but scored a drop in wide open trigger and it was a lot easier.

But all these guys have more gun experience in their pinky than I do. And probably waaaay better eyesight.

GeorgiAg said:

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zooguy96 said:

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Are triggers easy to change out? Mind you - I'm extremely stupid when it comes to stuff like this. I've only changed a hand guard, stock, spring, easy stuff.

My BIL changed out a trigger for me, but he's 750 miles away.

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Same, same. I cursed the day I was born during the install of one trigger. I vowed to never do it again, but scored a drop in wide open trigger and it was a lot easier.

But all these guys have more gun experience in their pinky than I do. And probably waaaay better eyesight.

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Yeah, I have to take off my glasses to see things better because progressive lenses suck and they don't actually work.

zooguy96 said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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zooguy96 said:

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Are triggers easy to change out? Mind you - I'm extremely stupid when it comes to stuff like this. I've only changed a hand guard, stock, spring, easy stuff.

My BIL changed out a trigger for me, but he's 750 miles away.

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Same, same. I cursed the day I was born during the install of one trigger. I vowed to never do it again, but scored a drop in wide open trigger and it was a lot easier.

But all these guys have more gun experience in their pinky than I do. And probably waaaay better eyesight.

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Yeah, I have to take off my glasses to see things better because progressive lenses suck and they don't actually work.

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Yes, I have scleral contact lenses for Keratoconus. I have a hard time seeing with +1.5s and anything above that gives me a headache. If I take out the lenses, I can see up close just fine, but I am blind to anything more than an arms length away.

Eyesight was not my only issue. I have all thumbs for fingers. I imagine it's like anything else and gets better with practice. I just don't want to go through it again.

JeremiahJohnson said:

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110 or 115 grain 300 BLK supers have more energy than 5.56 out of a short barreled rifle. 110grain Vmax out of a 9 inch barrel has about as much energy as 5.56 out of a 16 inch barrel.

Recoil difference is negligible. 300BLK is also easier to suppress than 5.56.

Cartridge is just optimized for short barrels. Now past 150 yards the 5.56 wins all day.

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I love my 300blks and really want to do some drywall testing of some loads since I cant find a ton of reliable info on how it does through barriers.

Would guess that 110gr vmax does well, stuff like my preferred Barnes Tac-tx overpenetrates and that subsonic loads behave like pistol rounds and just keep going too but thats just a SWAG

BenderRodriguez said:

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JeremiahJohnson said:

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110 or 115 grain 300 BLK supers have more energy than 5.56 out of a short barreled rifle. 110grain Vmax out of a 9 inch barrel has about as much energy as 5.56 out of a 16 inch barrel.

Recoil difference is negligible. 300BLK is also easier to suppress than 5.56.

Cartridge is just optimized for short barrels. Now past 150 yards the 5.56 wins all day.

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I love my 300blks and really want to do some drywall testing of some loads since I cant find a ton of reliable info on how it does through barriers.

Would guess that 110gr vmax does well, stuff like my preferred Barnes Tac-tx overpenetrates and that subsonic loads behave like pistol rounds and just keep going too but thats just a SWAG

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If you do the test please test the 190gr hornady subsonic. Currently that's what my mags are loaded with.

Hey Bender if you need a helper call me.

As a YouTube gun fan I would love to get into testing stuff like that.

Underwood makes - CONTROLLED CHAOS SOLID MONOLITHIC HUNTING & SELF DEFENSE AMMO.

https://underwoodammo.com/223-remington-62gr.-controlled-chaos-solid-monolithic-hunting-self-defense-ammo/

"The bullet is designed to penetrate to a specific depth and to fracture as the internal hydraulic pressure exceeds the hoop strength of the nose design. At the time of fracture, a massive energy spike is released as the particles break away and radiate outward from the initial trajectory path. This energy spike, and resulting temporary cavity, sends a shock wave through the animal's circulatory and nervous systems, immediately shutting down the functioning parts of these systems."

beb08 said:

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If you do the test please test the 190gr hornady subsonic. Currently that's what my mags are loaded with.

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I think I have a box of those. Would also be curious to see how the Discrete Ballistics 188s do, and I have some 215gr Bergers, old school 220 remington, and even some Hornady 205s i could test.

Problem is i would need to build the walls, need a place to set them up, and I'd want to test from multiple barrel lengths (9" is great and all but some of us are running around with 5"….guns.)

BenderRodriguez said:

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beb08 said:

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If you do the test please test the 190gr hornady subsonic. Currently that's what my mags are loaded with.

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I think I have a box of those. Would also be curious to see how the Discrete Ballistics 188s do, and I have some 215gr Bergers, old school 220 remington, and even some Hornady 205s i could test.

Problem is i would need to build the walls, need a place to set them up, and I'd want to test from multiple barrel lengths (9" is great and all but some of us are running around with 5"….guns.)

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What's your setup / parts for the pictured gun?

jrb2019 said:

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I'll help build the walls and we can test at my place.

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Sounds like we have a plan.

Initial thoughts: hoping to do 4 walls spaced 10' or so apart.

I have 5", 6.75" and 9" 300blk barrels we can test.

Initial loads that come to mind for testing are 110gr vmax, 110gr barnes tac tx, discrete ballistics 188gr selous expanders, and 190gr hornady sub x.

If anyone is using a different 300blk defensive load let me know and ill try to include it

txam92 said:

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What's your setup / parts for the pictured gun?

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Sig Rattler. 5" 300blk 1/5 twist barrel, canebreak sd handguard, cgs hyperion k suppressor, sig minimalist stock, holosun dot on a reptilia mount, streamlight tlr-vir2 for white light/ir illum and ir laser, 110gr hornady v max

I have some Gorilla 115 Pigpunishers. They are 115 Lehigh Controlled Chaos

I suspect the would over penetrate. I can send or bring those and Vmax. I also have a few of the SubX but i would never use those self defense.

I also have 40 grain Vmax 223.

Maybe 7.62x39 HP

Gorilla 8.6BLK 285 grain Fragmenting. I know 8.6 isnt to a defensive standard yet, but should be when the Boombox is released.

Excellent. Look forward to it. I'll see what I can scrounge in the way of reduced price materials.

I am an older Ag who was a platoon leader and a company commander in an infantry company. I carried and used a variety of weapons in real shooting situations from 1911:.45 ACP, M79:Grenade Launcher, AK47 with underfolding stock, M16A1, and finally what we called a CAR-15 (Colt XM177E2) with a 10" or so barrel. Our ammunition then was 55 grain 5.56.

Of all of the weapons, the CAR-15 was my favorite. It was essentially a M-16 Submachine Gun but has an effective range out to 200 meters. My shooting situations ranged from 5 feet to 300 meters. While I understand the legal issues mentioned in a shooting scenario, the goal is always to have adequate firepower for multiple situations. In my experience, a SBR type weapon is hands down much better than any pistol. A pistol or revolver is either a concealed weapon or a backup to a rifle. No pistol can match an SBR downrange. Downrange in a shooting situation is widely unpredictable (my experience from a few feet to hundreds of meters). Therefore a viable defense weapon needs to have the ability to operate in variable ranges.

The caliber is important. I know that the 5.56 (.223) and 7.62X39 work well and are combat proven. I don't doubt that the 300 Blackout is equivalent to the 7.62X39 within the typical home defense ranges. My choice based on the school of real shootouts goes to the 7.62X39. It is adequately accurate at combat ranges, usually inexpensive, available, and hits hard. An GI hit by an AK was momentarily or permanently out of action.

In my time, we didn't have red dots, microelectronics, or purpose manufactured weapons lights. In my experience, bad situations happened usually in the dark but not always.

An ideal kit for me would include:

1. SBR or AR or AK pistol with a brace
2. Always a cellphone for communications
3. Weapons light capable of 50 feet of illumination at night
4. More magazines than you think (I went through 5 - 30 round magazines in a few minutes)
5. Reliable red dot for accuracy, night or day (especially for older vision)
6. EDC bag or something for the spare magazines
7. Weapon sling

With this or any other weapon system, practice is compulsory (as often as one can). Weapon maintenance is critical. Any SBR or AR/AK pistol with a brace gets dirty quick and needs excellent cleaning and lubrication to approach 100% reliability. Practice does several things.

1. Weapon familiarity
2. Identity good and bad magazines (throw away bad mags)
3. Identity which brand or type of ammunition is reliable (all weapons tend to be picky with ammo)
4. Try to practice like the potential scenarios matching home defense ranges at various distances


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Not me but similar to my combat weapon of choice. I carried it and 5 spare 30 round magazines. We didn't have cell phones then but military FM radios. Communications is as important as the weapon of choice.

+1 for suppressed SBR. Don't really care about caliber but mine are 223.

If I lived rural, it would be 308 AR 10. Still suppressed, still shortish.

Since this thread got bumped, ill link the 300blk wall testing thread that it inspired:

https://texags.com/forums/34/topics/3541376

Bender again has good info. I will add what I have not seen yet or repeat for its importance.

Home security is a TEAM effort and its important to get your spouse to accept various responsibilities. If she doesn't accept it will be an obstacle to learning/training and may become a liability. Kids need to be a part of it as well. Everyone can have a role. IE if there is a window crash and it wakes up your 7 year old, is your 7 yo going to come running to your room as you are coming out armed and groggy. Who is calling 911? I challenge you to clear your house with a rifle and talk on the phone at the same time.

Single CQB shoot house training is hard to find and quite valuable. It humbles everyone. There is a reason Advanced CQB or SFARTAETC is 7-9 weeks for ALREADY highly qualified security personnel.

I agree with having an SBR set up for night use, but even an SBR is problematic with moving through your house with corners, furniture, doors etc. Set your alarm for the middle of the night and just clear your house with rifle and do it again with pistol. Be cognizant of how many times you flagged your kids room or hung the muzzle up on a doorway. Even with pistol you will spend more focus on getting your weapon through your house than finding and IDng a threat unless much training is conducted.

I sent my wife to Protectant 1 at SDR with no real background in firearms or ground fighting (BJJ). What she learned at the first one, wasn't any skill but more importantly that evil exists, can't predict when it arises, and that her responsibilities are just as important as mine in protecting the family. If you travel for work your spouse may have even a bigger responsibility. Though she got her ass kicked badly even cried multiple times she repeated that course 3 more times, completed level 2 Protectant, SCQB 2x, vehicle 2x, and basic carbine 3x. Continued on with BJJ for almost 3 years.

I wrote all that above because during two real world security events my wife outperformed me on both occasions. Me with all my experience failed to meet an acceptable standard. The ROI on her training costs for that 15 minutes of danger in how she performed is incalculable.

Looks like right now SDR does not have any CQB, but the Protectant, vehicle, and low light pistol are worthy courses.

Having a set of Electronic Ear pro next to your weapons is good.

Having dogs especially one inside and one outside is excellent. Deterrence is far safer than getting in a gun fight.

Best advice I received from the shoot house is, if you can get your family barricaded to a single room do so, cover the entry into that room, and let the cops clear to you while letting thug(s) take your big screen.

https://sheepdogresponse.com/collections/live-training