B-1 83 said:

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BrazosDog02 said:

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Gunny isn't anti trapping. He is anti inhumane trapping like any grounded sane human being.

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Define "inhumane trapping".

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The fact that outdoorsmen need this defined really fuels my disdain and disappointment with society.

People that need this defined or explain are those that are already doing things they know they shouldn't be doing because it's the wrong thing to do but they just need a technical work around the justify doing it.

That definition would be subjective as strictly an opinion per an individual. I know some rifle hunters that believe bow hunting is inhumane.
Nothing wrong with controlling the number of predators. Man has F'd up habitat and introduced livestock and wants all the game animals to himself to the point that man now has to control predator populations instead of them balancing themselves as Mother Nature intended.
Personally I'm not going to subject an animal to 10-12 hours of excruciating pain. No more than I would use a steel leg trap to catch a deer or elk…..or do that to my dog.
We have developed broadheads for better killing capacity. We have developed bullets for the same reason….to kill quicker and more efficiently.
If I'm dove hunting or pheasant hunting and wound one, I don't leave it in my game bag alive for 10 hours…I ring its neck immediately….because it's the humane thing to do.
We talk on this forum of cartridge types and loads for better accuracy and better shot placement so we can have quick kills. We don't purposely shoot deer or elk in the legs or feet so we trail them for two days.
I'm a hunter. If I need to control the predator populations on my ranch I'm going to get my predator calls, optics, and my varmint rifle and go kill them quickly and humanely.
With the technology we have available to us today in thermal optics and wi fi game cameras etc. to control predator populations is tremendous.
If the sport for some is in the trapping and selling of furs then use live traps and humanely kill them quickly.
It takes a lot more skill to set a live trap than a steel jaw trap anyway.

lol, you are not going to be anywhere near as effective, not even in the same time zone, for most furbearers using live traps as you would be if using foothold traps, Conibear-type traps, or snares and will be spending a tremendous amount more money in trap costs.

And while I, and many others who trap, also use electronic calls. that won't be as effective as trapping if you are proficient at both. When calling you are in one place, then move to another, over 4 or 5 hours calling. Six or seven dozen trap sets and/or snare sets cover a huge amount of acreage and they are on location 24 hours a day.

Gunny456 said:

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Predator control takes place on many ranches very effectively without using steel traps at all.
ETA: You are trapping for making money off furs and your enjoyment and recreation. I'm talking predator control.
I get it. You like trapping with steel traps, snares etc because it's more efficient for you to harvest more animals.

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And about to help my brother on his ranch and his niece on her and her family's adjacent property with predator control. They have had some issues and livestock losses. We will primarily use steel traps and snares but will also use electronic calls. His health is such that he cannot be out late into the night, and she knows little about either, so the focus will be on trapping.

I actually don't do much fur trapping due to prices, mostly it is predator control and dealing with nuisance animals every once in a while.

BrazosDog02 said:

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B-1 83 said:

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BrazosDog02 said:

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Gunny isn't anti trapping. He is anti inhumane trapping like any grounded sane human being.

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Define "inhumane trapping".

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The fact that outdoorsmen need this defined really fuels my disdain and disappointment with society.

People that need this defined or explain are those that are already doing things they know they shouldn't be doing because it's the wrong thing to do but they just need a technical work around the justify doing it.

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The fact that you passed such judgement on trappers shows a distinct lack of knowledge of trapping in general. There are multiple traps such as conibears that are quick and lethal. Snare are quick. Matching the trap size and pan tension is a skill to keep non targets out and simply "pinching and holding" your target is a skill. You didn't know that, and it's evident.

BrazosDog02 said:

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B-1 83 said:

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BrazosDog02 said:

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B-1 83 said:

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BrazosDog02 said:

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Gunny isn't anti trapping. He is anti inhumane trapping like any grounded sane human being.

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Define "inhumane trapping".

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The fact that outdoorsmen need this defined really fuels my disdain and disappointment with society.

People that need this defined or explain are those that are already doing things they know they shouldn't be doing because it's the wrong thing to do but they just need a technical work around the justify doing it.

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The fact that you passed such judgement on trappers shows a distinct lack of knowledge of trapping in general. There are multiple traps such as conibears that are quick and lethal. Snare are quick. Matching the trap size and pan tension is a skill to keep non targets out and simply "pinching and holding" your target is a skill. You didn't know that, and it's evident.

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Sounds like you know it all. If you knew what humane trapping was then you wouldn't have ever had to ask the question at all and you could've saved yourself a lot of wasted energy typing all of that out. Or were you just trying to goad someone into argument? You made the statement. Not me. I know what I said and I meant what I wrote. If you took offense to that and feel that is some weird broad brush, then that's a you problem.

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You are being ridiculous. I think he may be spot on and you know very little about trapping and are just passing by with ignorant judgement.

Edited to add...
Just saw your first post on this thread so its probably not worth discussing with you. You clearly state you are against trapping in general and it seems you are hiding your feelings against trapping in vague damnation of "inhumane" trapping which you won't define.