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Hank the Grifter
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Social media has been on fire over the past week or so about an apparently unprecedented tick population. People from all corners of the country are claiming to be finding more ticks than ever before on their pets, livestock, and on themselves. "Farmers" and "ranchers" are coming out of the woodwork claiming to have found boxes on their property that were dropped there and are full of ticks.
I haven't noticed an increase in my neck of the woods and I'm pretty tick averse so I tend to be pretty vigilant about them.

Now the conspiracy theory(ies). I'm sure most of you are aware of the older theory that Lyme disease was created in a lab on Plum Island, NY. There's a high security animal disease research center there and the tin foils claim that Lyme was created there and/or escaped containment back in the 60's/70's.

The latest theory is that the government/Bill Gates is dropping boxes of Lone Star ticks in hopes of people contracting alpha-gal syndrome making them allergic to red meat (and other mammal by products). It's a been a talking point at the WEF and a couple of college professors at Western Michigan published a paper stating that it is "morally obligatory" to genetically engineer ticks to spread AGS AND distribute them to force people to stop eating red meat.
Add to this the chatter that Pfizer is supposedly getting close to releasing a Lyme disease vaccine and you can connect the conspiracy dots.

To me, this is all just social media lunacy and pretty easy to dismiss but it's gaining traction with some folks who aren't just randos.

I'm not a conspiracy theory guy at all. In fact I get a pretty good chuckle out of 99% of them. However, I have an (almost) irrational hatred/fear of ticks. I hate parasites, particularly those that aren't easily detectable, and especially those that are vectors for disease.
My question for those of you with land or who are outdoors quite often……are you seeing more ticks than usual? We did have a mild winter and that definitely is a factor in tick numbers.
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We moved to NW Arkansas 3 years ago and I have contracted Alpha Gal already. Luckily it's not so bad for me and I don't have life threatening reactions. Almost everyone around me has it.

CIA declassified docs show Lyme was created as a bio weapon during the Cold War.

After the Tuskegee experiments I wouldn't put anything out of the realm of possibility.
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DRAINS_05 said:

We moved to NW Arkansas 3 years ago and I have contracted Alpha Gal already. Luckily it's not so bad for me and I don't have life threatening reactions. Almost everyone around me has it.

CIA declassified docs show Lyme was created as a bio weapon during the Cold War.

After the Tuskegee experiments I wouldn't put anything out of the realm of possibility.

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I will become seriously radicalized if I get a tick and all of a sudden become allergic to some of my most favorite guilty pleasures in life:

ribeye steaks
bbq brisket
beef fajitas
cheese burgers
Captain Ahab
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We are seeing more ticks in Booger County.

If anyone has reputable links on the Lone Star tick creation, I would like to read them.
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I've never seen one in fifteen years on our place in southern Burleson County.
Hank the Grifter
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DRAINS_05 said:

We moved to NW Arkansas 3 years ago and I have contracted Alpha Gal already. Luckily it's not so bad for me and I don't have life threatening reactions. Almost everyone around me has it.

CIA declassified docs show Lyme was created as a bio weapon during the Cold War.

After the Tuskegee experiments I wouldn't put anything out of the realm of possibility.

100% false.
Otzi the Iceman (5,300 year old mummy frozen in a glacier) had Lyme disease. Genetic analysis of his remains discovered the genome of the bacterium that causeds Lyme in his DNA.
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Gentlemen, we don't have to argue about what biological warfare stuff might have been done in the Cold War.

There are people like Parker Crutchfield actively employed by medical schools today, being paid to publish "scholarly articles' like the two below arguing in favor of spreading disease via ticks if it is "beneficial to the environment".

Beneficial Bloodsucking

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Abstract
The bite of the lone star tick spreads alpha-gal syndrome (AGS), a condition whose only effect is the creation of a severe but nonfatal red meat allergy. Public health departments warn against lone star ticks and AGS, and scientists are working to develop an inoculation to AGS. Herein, we argue that if eating meat is morally impermissible, then efforts to prevent the spread of tickborne AGS are also morally impermissible. After explaining the symptoms of AGS and how they are transmitted via ticks, we argue that tickborne AGS is a moral bioenhancer if and when it motivates people to stop eating meat. We then defend what we call the Convergence Argument: If x-ing prevents the world from becoming a significantly worse place, doesn't violate anyone's rights, and promotes virtuous action or character, then x-ing is strongly pro tanto obligatory; promoting tickborne AGS satisfies each of these conditions. Therefore, promoting tickborne AGS is strongly pro tanto obligatory. It is presently feasible to genetically edit the disease-carrying capacity of ticks. If this practice can be applied to ticks carrying AGS, then promoting the proliferation of tickborne AGS is morally obligatory.


Compulsory moral bioenhancement should be covert

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Some theorists argue that moral bioenhancement ought to be compulsory. I take this argument one step further, arguing that if moral bioenhancement ought to be compulsory, then its administration ought to be covert rather than overt. This is to say that it is morally preferable for compulsory moral bioenhancement to be administered without the recipients knowing that they are receiving the enhancement. My argument for this is that if moral bioenhancement ought to be compulsory, then its administration is a matter of public health, and for this reason should be governed by public health ethics. I argue that the covert administration of a compulsory moral bioenhancement program better conforms to public health ethics than does an overt compulsory program. In particular, a covert compulsory program promotes values such as liberty, utility, equality, and autonomy better than an overt program does. Thus, a covert compulsory moral bioenhancement program is morally preferable to an overt moral bioenhancement program.


Sure is great living in a time where some people are speed running apocalypic science fiction novels as fast as possible.

OnlyForNow
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More ticks seen this year on our lease in Bosque County.

Most likely cause is the weather and livestock patterning.
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We havnt noticed anything weird in tick numbers here in Medina county in cattle or horses. Thats two herds and n pastures totally separated by 4 miles most of the year. Both seem about how they've always been. I've certainly never gotten one. But it's also not had anything green in the pastures for 4 years up until a few weeks ago so, we'll see. Maybe they will start showing up.
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The author of those papers is a complete sociopath. I read the abstracts of a few of his other papers.

Reminds me of a CS Lewis quote.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

--C.S. Lewis
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Lonestar ticks did exist before all of this. I had one on me in the 80s when I was a kid.

Most of the OB would know that, but a lot of others won't which will feed the conspiracy theories.
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I've seen ticks this year in Limestone and Robertson counties, but I've seen ticks before too.
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i don't know if i've seen ticks at my place in Robertson county. i don't have an eye for ticks, always wear a hat out there, and I haven't felt or noticed anything in my hair/ on my scalp.. but there's a ton of whitetail and all sorts of wildlife so i'm sure there are a lot of ticks.

...the chiggers, however, are eating me alive every time i go out there. i have sprayed permethrin on my boots and pants, douse myself and my hat with deet, and they still find a way.
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In the 70's when I was a kid, we couldn't walk outside in Leon county without coming back covered in them. Then invasive fire ants showed up and ticks were never a problem after that.

So I guess go fire ants?
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Evidence points to H1N1 virus epidemic was inadvertently released during gain of function testing at Ft. Detrick, Maryland. That outbreak led to George W. Bush administration (FEMA) creating pandemic warehouse stockpiles.

Remember the domestic Anthrax releases?

I wouldn't put it past any bio-terrorist to grow a microorganism in a home lab and release it in the name of "Social Justice".
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I haven't noticed any growth in tick population. However, my youngest son did develop a severe beef allergy around the age of 1.

First food he ate was a bbq beef rib. He nearly went into anaphylactic shock last time he ate beef though. This led us to have tests done in order to confirm the allergy. We did not have him tested for Alpha Gal.

Because of what we've gone through with him my wife is gearing up for free ranging chickens and guineas. I don't have any evidence to prove this is related to ticks, but the conversations happening right now definitely have my attention.

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Today, I dismiss no conspiracy theories. The tin foil hat folks have been on a hell of a winning streak.

And all you have to do is listen to the rhetoric. None of this, if true, should be a surprise.
Class of '94
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Hoosegow said:

Today, I dismiss no conspiracy theories. The tin foil hat folks have been on a hell of a winning streak.

And all you have to do is listen to the rhetoric. None of this, if true, should be a surprise.

If you don't believe in conspiracy theories and how our government isn't always our benevolent father after Covid, you're a nincompoop.

Not sure how much truth their is to all of this tick stuff (about them releasing it) but I am certainly not going to immediately dismiss it. I can tell you that I am going to be much more diligent about applying permethrin on my clothes before I head into the woods... I know 2 people with Alpha Gal and it sounds freaking miserable. I LOVE red meat!
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ttha_aggie_09 said:

Hoosegow said:

Today, I dismiss no conspiracy theories. The tin foil hat folks have been on a hell of a winning streak.

And all you have to do is listen to the rhetoric. None of this, if true, should be a surprise.

If you don't believe in conspiracy theories and how our government isn't always our benevolent father after Covid, you're a nincompoop.

Not sure how much truth their is to all of this tick stuff (about them releasing it) but I am certainly not going to immediately dismiss it. I can tell you that I am going to be much more diligent about applying permethrin on my clothes before I head into the woods... I know 2 people with Alpha Gal and it sounds freaking miserable. I LOVE red meat!

This

Also, remember that they are always watching. No sooner had I opened this thread did this pop up on my facebook feed. (no clue to what this website is, it's just the timing)

https://americanfaith.com/bill-gates-funded-research-into-genetically-engineered-cattle-ticks-now-450000-americans-have-red-meat-allergies-from-alpha-gal-syndrome-caused-by-tick-bites/
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As a society, we have given up a ton of privacy and personal info to our electronic devices and social media. Everything is continuously listening and logging data and keystrokes for all sorts of things like targeted ads, suggestions, AI work, etc.

Whenever my office puts a random call in contact into my CRM, it instantly pulls address information, average income for it, home values, demographics, credit scores, many other metrics and establishes a "quality" level of that contact. It lets me know if it's likely an asphalt, tile, metal job, or if there have been storms recently, etc. So, I know right off the bat the general idea of whether that customer is going to call back, move forward with a project, likelihood of being able to afford the job at the end, etc. And I know mostly likely what he is calling about, needs to buy, and whether I should bring up financing before I ever pick up the phone.

There is a tremendous amount of data available on every single person out there that has willingly been given up.
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SunrayAg said:

In the 70's when I was a kid, we couldn't walk outside in Leon county without coming back covered in them. Then invasive fire ants showed up and ticks were never a problem after that.

So I guess go fire ants?

That's about word-for-word what I was going to say, except Harris county. As kids in the 70's the received wisdom from the grown-ups was that ticks were an issue. Ticks were traded out for fire ants. Never remember seeing a tick on anyone or dogs/cats in the 80's.

Meanwhile, on the same time line up in snowaggie country, ticks were not a consideration. Vets never mentioned counter measures....no need. Fast forward 20 years and they start to show up. And now another 20 years, especially now in Spring, my yellow lab comes back from a walk chasing rabbits and looks like he's been sprinkled with pepper.
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I grew up until age ten in the 70s in SE Tennessee with lots of woods around. Ticks on the dogs and me was pretty much a normal occurrence. No detrimental problems that I am aware of, unless all my old man issues are from it.

FiL who lives in Missouri and spends some of the summer in Minnesota cycling, got Alpha Gal last year. Last time it came up he reported that he felt like it had passed for the most part and he was again able to eat red meat, though he wasn't pushing the envelope on it.
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Couple of us picked up ticks turkey hunting in Kleberg County recently. Not out of the ordinary. Haven't developed any meat allergies yet
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If I am not mistaken, you can send in the ticks that bite you for testing for Lyme or other stuff. Never done it but might be something I do next tick I pick up. I'm going to google and see if I can find the details on that
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Got a tick on me in 3 consecutive rounds of golf over the course of 10 days in Denton County last month. Prior to that, I had only gotten 1 tick on me on the golf course in the 10 years of playing golf before that combined.

Certainly not scientific, but the ticks seem bad this year.
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oh no said:

i don't know if i've seen ticks at my place in Robertson county. i don't have an eye for ticks, always wear a hat out there, and I haven't felt or noticed anything in my hair/ on my scalp.. but there's a ton of whitetail and all sorts of wildlife so i'm sure there are a lot of ticks.

...the chiggers, however, are eating me alive every time i go out there. i have sprayed permethrin on my boots and pants, douse myself and my hat with deet, and they still find a way.

God I hate chiggers. We dusted our socks and pants with sulfur powder back in my land surveying days. I don't think it every worked very well.
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Stop hitting the ball OB.
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KALALL
I am in Limestone County. East of Groesbeck off of 1953.
When the truth comes out, do not ask me how I knew.
Ask yourself why you did not.
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Back on topic...

I had always heard that fire ants will keep ticks away.

When the truth comes out, do not ask me how I knew.
Ask yourself why you did not.
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I pick up ticks nearly every time I go in the woods. This year has been higher than normal but all things wildlife related are cyclical. Wild turkey gobbling / population also seem to be up this year. Holy sheet- is there a wild turkey epidemic about to be released ?
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Mateo84 said:

Got a tick on me in 3 consecutive rounds of golf over the course of 10 days in Denton County last month. Prior to that, I had only gotten 1 tick on me on the golf course in the 10 years of playing golf before that combined.

Certainly not scientific, but the ticks seem bad this year.

Just north of you in Gainesville. Our outside dump dog would occasionally get ticks on her, but never had them on our minis. Haven't seen any on either this year, but just sitting in my recliner in my living room in he evening, all of a sudden had 2 times felt something crawling in my hair and it was ticks, and 2 nights ago, all of a sudden there was one crawling across my laptop screen. At 70 years old, I can count the number of times I've gotten ticks on one hand up here.
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snowaggie said:

SunrayAg said:

In the 70's when I was a kid, we couldn't walk outside in Leon county without coming back covered in them. Then invasive fire ants showed up and ticks were never a problem after that.

So I guess go fire ants?

That's about word-for-word what I was going to say, except Harris county. As kids in the 70's the received wisdom from the grown-ups was that ticks were an issue. Ticks were traded out for fire ants. Never remember seeing a tick on anyone or dogs/cats in the 80's.

I grew up in SE Texas in the 80s and 90s, always outside, always in the woods, and I only got a tick that latched onto me once. Growing up in that area at that time also meant fire ants were everywhere. I've read that in addition to fire ants killing ticks is that a high concentration of fire ants will drive away a lot of animals that ticks would normally go after. We had outside dogs and they would get them from time to time but it was never an alarming amount.
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Yeah, I'd really like to knock down the fire ant population and quantity of mounds all over my property- but not if it's going to cause an explosion of tick population
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AgFrogfan said:

oh no said:

i don't know if i've seen ticks at my place in Robertson county. i don't have an eye for ticks, always wear a hat out there, and I haven't felt or noticed anything in my hair/ on my scalp.. but there's a ton of whitetail and all sorts of wildlife so i'm sure there are a lot of ticks.

...the chiggers, however, are eating me alive every time i go out there. i have sprayed permethrin on my boots and pants, douse myself and my hat with deet, and they still find a way.

God I hate chiggers. We dusted our socks and pants with sulfur powder back in my land surveying days. I don't think it every worked very well.

Then you were doing it wrong. Powdered sulfur is the best for chiggers……other than the old US Government stuff we got years ago that had insane amounts of DEET.
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