Why is this still in the city's comprehensive plan (the future extension and widening of Pebble Creek to Hwy 6) which is expected to be finalized in mid August? Why is the city operating in the darkness without announcing another meeting or hearing to listen to residents? I attended the first meeting where your chambers were filled to capacity with spill over to outside the room. I sat on the ground inside the chambers because it was so full.

A four lane road though the heart of Pebble Creek is unexplainable. No other neighborhood has something like this in College Station. It makes more sense to use Rock Prairie to Hwy 6.

What is your explanation to why Pebble Creek? Will the city use eminent domain to seize back yards and parts of the golf course? There are no businesses (like Wellborn) or wide open spaces to work with in an established neighborhood. It will be lovely to see trucks and 18 wheelers cut through when Hwy 6 is backed up.

Is there a link to a map of this route?

I sure hope we don't become Austin. Residents there complained and prevented new road construction hoping that would mitigate growth. The growth happened anyway and today getting around Austin is such a cluster of chaos and confusion. With all the belly aching about the East Loop and now this, we may never get another road built until it's far too late.

This project would be bisecting an existing neighborhood - currently a one lane road each way. There's no way to have 4 lanes without seizing property into someone's backyard on a lot. This isn't acreage. Who wants a thoroughfare in their backyard?

Hwy 6 is getting ready to expand to three lanes each way through the entire county. You can get to Hwy 30 from University, Harvey or Fitch very easily. You can get to 47 going down 3 lanes on Wellborn to eventually Hwy 21. It's very easy to get around here - especially when the students are gone. The university is also reducing enrollment. Less students = less traffic.

There is no road past the neighborhood. But it's rather silly to do this when a road to 6 already exists (Rock Prairie).

That would be nice to have an expressway/freeway from Fitch and 6 to 47, just past the airport. I don't consider 2818 a loop. It's more of a hell hole.

TAMU1990 said:

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There is no road past the neighborhood. But it's rather silly to do this when a road to 6 already exists (Rock Prairie).

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Yep. Yet another expensive, unnecessary, and badly conceived idea.

TAMU1990 said:

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This project would be bisecting an existing neighborhood - currently a one lane road each way. There's no way to have 4 lanes without seizing property into someone's backyard on a lot. This isn't acreage. Who wants a thoroughfare in their backyard?

Hwy 6 is getting ready to expand to three lanes each way through the entire county. You can get to Hwy 30 from University, Harvey or Fitch very easily. You can get to 47 going down 3 lanes on Wellborn to eventually Hwy 21. It's very easy to get around here - especially when the students are gone. The university is also reducing enrollment. Less students = less traffic.

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Let's see it happen first.

Any "reduction" in undergrad enrollment is being matched by increased enrollment at the Health Science Center, RELLIS, and graduate programs. There will be the same, if not more, students in College Station over the next few years even if there is a slight down tick in undergrad enrollment.

Additionally, there is a lot of construction planned for west campus, including new housing, parking garages, and amenities like a health center, rec, and food options. Once built, the temporary pause in undergrad growth will be lifted.

All that to say, A&M will continue to grow and with the growth at RELLIS, city and county leaders would be wise to plan for more growth.

FlyRod said:

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TAMU1990 said:

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There is no road past the neighborhood. But it's rather silly to do this when a road to 6 already exists (Rock Prairie).

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Yep. Yet another expensive, unnecessary, and badly conceived idea.

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If they want to build a road how about the Lakeway/Midtown Road? Extend that to Hwy 6.

TAMU1990 said:

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This project would be bisecting an existing neighborhood - currently a one lane road each way. There's no way to have 4 lanes without seizing property into someone's backyard on a lot. This isn't acreage. Who wants a thoroughfare in their backyard?

Hwy 6 is getting ready to expand to three lanes each way through the entire county. You can get to Hwy 30 from University, Harvey or Fitch very easily. You can get to 47 going down 3 lanes on Wellborn to eventually Hwy 21. It's very easy to get around here - especially when the students are gone. The university is also reducing enrollment. Less students = less traffic.

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That's not accurate, unfortunately.

There is a lot of flight out of Harris County and it's heading this way.

Buford T. Justice said:

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That would be nice to have an expressway/freeway from Fitch and 6 to 47, just past the airport. I don't consider 2818 a loop. It's more of a hell hole.

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That would practically go through my backyard. No thank you.

I'd like to know about this as well.
Seems like they want an alternative route for SANTAS WONDERLAND to run through our neighborhood, which is some high level BS!

The title of this thread is way off base.

An expansion of Pebble Creek has been on the books for a while. When Corporate Parkway opened (the little road linking Midtown Drive and Highway 6 just south of what is now Christ Church) it was called Pebble Creek Parkway, as it was supposed to curve around Spring Creek back toward the highway.

I should say that there DOES need to be a real north-south thoroughfare in the eastern half of the county and not expect Highway 6 to do all the work, and kowtowing to every pearl-clutching resistance means we will end up like Austin (underbuilt and not able to contain growth). That being said, Pebble Creek Parkway DOES seem to have enough width for two lanes in each direction IF you take out the bike lane, giving it to 12-foot wide lanes on either side, which isn't overly generous but it's what Holleman Drive South has on it. The only section in question is around Muirfield Village where it does get a bit narrow but if you sacrifice the turning lane and add four feet of right of way that should address the most pressing issues. So the "cutting through the backyard" issue for Pebble Creek residents won't be a problem.

The big question is...where would it go? The south end could probably expand to Southern Pointe and give that a relief valve (probably taking over/renaming Pipeline Road behind it, which almost has certainly seen an increase in traffic in the last ten years). But of the north end? The whole thing COULD work with just following the power line right of way. Curve toward Rock Prairie Road, intersect it and continue north, behind Foxfire, behind Emerald Forest, plug in Spring Creek, expand the utility road that continues from North Forest Parkway, plug that in, part of Raintree will end up on the other side of the road...intersect Harvey Road...probably reroute Carter's Creek there...intersect University Drive, and then see if you could hook it up to Wildflower in Bryan somehow, add a multi-use path, and now you have a nice 11-mile road to serve local traffic and take traffic off of Highway 6.

It's on the 2050 MPO map

https://bcsmpo.org/DocumentCenter/View/196/Revised-Approved-Full-Size-Final-2050-MPO-Thoroughfare-Concept-06272017?bidId=

This thread reads like the city is going to plow through homes to build an interstate through the middle of Pebble Creek.

The thoroughfare plan indicates a road will be extended on the back-end of Pebble Creek to onnect into other streets to be built in the future between Pebble Creek and Southern Pointe.

But let's get outraged about something.

(That said, I understand the automatic, gut-reaction mistrust/skepticism of anything CoCS related)

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To my knowledge they are not reducing admissions, they are just pausing undergraduate enrollment growth. It's a cap not a reduction which means still around a 10,000 student freshman class.

TAMU1990 said:

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Why is this still in the city's comprehensive plan (the future extension and widening of Pebble Creek to Hwy 6) which is expected to be finalized in mid August? Why is the city operating in the darkness without announcing another meeting or hearing to listen to residents? I attended the first meeting where your chambers were filled to capacity with spill over to outside the room. I sat on the ground inside the chambers because it was so full.

A four lane road though the heart of Pebble Creek is unexplainable. No other neighborhood has something like this in College Station. It makes more sense to use Rock Prairie to Hwy 6.

What is your explanation to why Pebble Creek? Will the city use eminent domain to seize back yards and parts of the golf course? There are no businesses (like Wellborn) or wide open spaces to work with in an established neighborhood. It will be lovely to see trucks and 18 wheelers cut through when Hwy 6 is backed up.

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"A parkway is a type of road designed for scenic travel, often featuring landscaped areas and limited access points. It's typically characterized by a broad roadway with planted areas, such as trees, grass, and shrubs, along the sides and sometimes in the middle. Parkways are intended for recreational driving and may have restrictions on commercial traffic."

"The primary purpose of a parkway is to provide a pleasant and scenic route for recreational driving rather than serving as a high-volume transportation corridor."

These are just a few of the definitions of a parkway. They're not meant for 18 wheelers and high volume traffic. I raised my family in Pebble Creek and still own property there.

I will not allow Pebble Creek Parkway to be changed into a major thoroughfare without a fight. I'm not alone on Council feeling this way.

Lakeway is a better option for ingress and egress for the new development coming between Pebble Creek and Southern Point. An extension of Lakeway provides better connectivity to the highway for these future residents as well.

I think a roundabout near the current end of Pebble Creek Parkway might be best, with spurs coming off it that effectively preclude Pebble Creek Parkway from losing its "Parkway" status.

I'm familiar with the details of this. The citizens of Pebble Creek were smart to start their petition. I've made myself available to the latest developer to discuss a compromise as they plan the new neighborhood.

When roadway project controversies arise, government officials are quick to say "but it's been on the plan forever." Well, we're updating the plan, so now is the time to address before we have another east loop uproar on our hands.

I'll move to add it to a future agenda at this Thursday's meeting- unless I learn something new that mitigates my understanding of the plan. To my knowledge, there's no site plan for the new neighborhood. Maybe someone got out ahead of this. I hope so.

Respectfully

Yancy '95

Bob Yancy said:

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TAMU1990 said:

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Why is this still in the city's comprehensive plan (the future extension and widening of Pebble Creek to Hwy 6) which is expected to be finalized in mid August? Why is the city operating in the darkness without announcing another meeting or hearing to listen to residents? I attended the first meeting where your chambers were filled to capacity with spill over to outside the room. I sat on the ground inside the chambers because it was so full.

A four lane road though the heart of Pebble Creek is unexplainable. No other neighborhood has something like this in College Station. It makes more sense to use Rock Prairie to Hwy 6.

What is your explanation to why Pebble Creek? Will the city use eminent domain to seize back yards and parts of the golf course? There are no businesses (like Wellborn) or wide open spaces to work with in an established neighborhood. It will be lovely to see trucks and 18 wheelers cut through when Hwy 6 is backed up.

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"A parkway is a type of road designed for scenic travel, often featuring landscaped areas and limited access points. It's typically characterized by a broad roadway with planted areas, such as trees, grass, and shrubs, along the sides and sometimes in the middle. Parkways are intended for recreational driving and may have restrictions on commercial traffic."

"The primary purpose of a parkway is to provide a pleasant and scenic route for recreational driving rather than serving as a high-volume transportation corridor."

These are just a few of the definitions of a parkway. They're not meant for 18 wheelers and high volume traffic. I raised my family in Pebble Creek and still own property there.

I will not allow Pebble Creek Parkway to be changed into a major thoroughfare without a fight. I'm not alone on Council feeling this way.

Lakeway is a better option for ingress and egress for the new development coming between Pebble Creek and Southern Point. An extension of Lakeway provides better connectivity to the highway for these future residents as well.

I think a roundabout near the current end of Pebble Creek Parkway might be best, with spurs coming off it that effectively preclude Pebble Creek Parkway from losing its "Parkway" status.

I'm familiar with the details of this. The citizens of Pebble Creek were smart to start their petition. I've made myself available to the latest developer to discuss a compromise as they plan the new neighborhood.

When roadway project controversies arise, government officials are quick to say "but it's been on the plan forever." Well, we're updating the plan, so now is the time to address before we have another east loop uproar on our hands.

I'll move to add it to a future agenda at this Thursday's meeting- unless I learn something new that mitigates my understanding of the plan. To my knowledge, there's no site plan for the new neighborhood. Maybe someone got out ahead of this. I hope so.

Respectfully

Yancy '95

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Trying to use the definition of "parkway" to "save" Pebble Creek Parkway is an embarassing and feeble attempt to deter the idea of upgrading the road. The name is effectively just a meaningless name to attract homebuyers, unless you want to apply the same logic to OTHER roads in town and widen Munson Avenue like they talked about decades ago, because, hey, an avenue is "a broad road in a town or city".

You said yourself that you own property in the Pebble Creek subdivision, which would constitute a conflict of interest...and if plans don't matter, then why shouldn't we just blow through Munson Avenue, or any other established neighborhood?

"Well, we're updating the plan, so now is the time to address before we have another east loop uproar on our hands" doesn't seem like the answer since the East Loop was also on the plans and they STILL whined about it. I do hope that we don't get "another East Loop uproar", their refusal to even let the County entertain the idea of a north-south road east of the freeway exhibited the worst of stereotypical NIMBY behavior.

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Mr. Yancy,

I have noticed a significant change in your interactions in the short time you have been on council. It went from "the voters are the boss and I'll represent them," to ignoring what people say on here and moving forward with your own agenda. You say that you want feedback, but when it doesn't align with your plan, you are quick to disavow.

This is just an observation. As I have stated previously, I live in Bryan, so your spendthrift ideas don't affect me as much. But please don't try to convince the powers at be in Bryan to get on board with your cockamamie ideas.

I think that once built out, we would want traffic from Southern Point and the New Neighborhood to hop on the highway service road when leaving their homes northbound. An extension of Lakeway accomplishes that nicely. If Pebble Creek Parkway is a straight shot and designed for high volume, people will pour down it outbound and inbound.

I'm not against Pebble Creek Parkway as a through street. I just think steps need to be taken to ensure it's not a torrent of traffic through there.

Respectfully

Yancy '95

The bigger issue with the east loop is that there were homes that the road would've laid directly on top of. The county and TXDOT to my knowledge didn't even have the money in the budget set aside to pay those people for their land either. Not saying they wouldn't of found the money to pay fair market value, but if I found out a road was not only planned to go directly through my current home, but also that they didn't have the money to pay me for my property I'd be a bit upset at well.

Growth needs to happen and anyone who argues against that in my opinion is only looking inward and not at the next generation and how we can provide a great future for them. However, it absolutely shouldn't be at the expense of others. Generational ranches or houses someone worked incredibly hard to buy and maintain shouldn't be the token for growth.

Why not use Lakeway and Rock Prairie as the test to see usage and feasibility?

Diddler_44 said:

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Mr. Yancy,

I have noticed a significant change in your interactions in the short time you have been on council. It went from "the voters are the boss and I'll represent them," to ignoring what people say on here and moving forward with your own agenda. You say that you want feedback, but when it doesn't align with your plan, you are quick to disavow.

This is just an observation. As I have stated previously, I live in Bryan, so your spendthrift ideas don't affect me as much. But please don't try to convince the powers at be in Bryan to get on board with your cockamamie ideas.

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Pebble Creek Parkway IS about my bosses- the citizens of College Station. Every single candidate for council last go round was asked about Pebble Creek Parkway and answered as I did. Prior to that, the largest turnout in history in the new city hall was over pebble creek parkway. There are more citizens walking, riding bikes, jogging and pushing strollers on Pebble Creek parkway than any roadway in town that I see. It is a parkway. It should remain a parkway.

Respectfully

Yancy '95

PS- don't know what you mean about my "ideas." Which one?