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I believe Robespierre tried to kill himself, but really just about shot his jaw off. And, when he was beheaded he looked like a pitiful mess as he had a gnarly bandage barely keeping his jaw on.
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They ripped the bandage off after he was tied to the board and he let off a horrific scream just before the blade fell.
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A whole bunch of mind-blowing finds; matri-lineal clans in ancient China, Celtic language spread (without migration), "Roman air pollution" (nominally causing IQ drops), cat facts (in china, 5,000 years ago), domesticated horse explosion…around 4200 years ago (2200BC, sudden horse lineage with a stronger back etc), and Greek alphabet going back to 10th century BC, pre-dating Phoenician writing as cornerstone.
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The story of how we obtained/brought various nazi aircraft to the US, operation Luftech, using the USS Reaper.

The ME-262 didn't have a radio. Kind of mind-blowing for the first American (Bauer) to fly it. The Germans didn't really help the Americans to learn how to operate it at first. Also, a 50 caliber nose canon which was quite an…interesting variant.
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Jimi Hendricks was in the 101st Airborne for about 13 months, beginning in 1961. He did receive his jump wings - even credited with 25 or 26 jumps.

He separated after 13 months - the official reason cited was being unsuitable for military service, and some accounts suggest his discharge was due to an ankle injury from a parachute jump, though disciplinary issues were likely the main reason. Some of the reasons that are urban legend are a bit more humorous (though I will not elaborate on that).
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Well he did prefer to wear women's blouses when performing.

Here is another fact. The first US Government official to spend over a billion dollars was Montgomery Meigs, Chief Quartermaster of the US Army during the Civil War.
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I assume most of the readers here know the story of the Lost Order 191 during the Antietam Campaign. But there is a minor mind-blowing fact that factored into the overall story. The order meant for DH Hill was signed by Robert Chilton, Lee's chief of staff. As it made its way up the Federal chain of command as "something important," it got to the corps commanders headquarters. The commander Alpheus Williams was out but three staff officers including AAG Samuel Pittman were there. The other two staff officers decided it was a ruse planted by the Confederates but when Pittman looked at it, he immediately recognized Chilton's signature and knew that at least that was real. He also disagreed with the other staff officers and opined that the order was genuine and should be sent to army headquarters.

Pittman before the war had been a teller at a Detroit bank. The army paymaster at the army post in Detroit was none other than Robert Chilton, who did business at Pittman's bank.
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Fun fact; Ezra Carmen's notes on that weren't published/figured out until 2008.

The 3-day delay in Stonewall Jackson's Harpers Ferry siege really would prove costly to the confederates/Army of Northern Virginia, as it made the intelligence from that 'lost order' much more valuable. A beautiful site to visit still today, and among the most disproportionate confederate wins of the war (perhaps the greatest US Army battlefield defeat in history), Harpers Ferry remains a bit of an enigma in its impact ultimately in the war.
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It's mind blowing that two of the most efficient killing machines in history were developed by doctors trying to ease death and suffering:

1) Dr. Joseph Guillotin developed the Guillotine to be the form of execution for all citizens no matter what class they came from. Beheading had been reserved for royals but with the equality of the classes brought on by the French Revolution, Guillotin developed and tested his machine on corpses. As a member of the National Assembly he helped pass a law mandating the use of the machine for all executions. Guillotin was opposed to the death penalty but realized it could not be avoided in his society, so he advocated what he considered a less painful method. Having witnessed executions on the wheel, which was still in vogue for the third estate in pre-revolutionary France, Guillotin sought a more humane method of execution not forecasting the horror of the Reign of Terror.

2) Dr. Richard Gatling was the inventor of machines that made sowing seeds more efficient. He had five patents for such machines before his most famous invention the Gatling Gun. It was the predecessor of mass death on World War I battlefields a little over 50 years later. Gatling was appalled by the number of soldiers dying of disease at the beginning of the Civil War. Gatling wrote after the war:

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I witnessed almost daily the departure of troops to the front and the return of wounded, sick and dead. It occurred to me if I could invent a machine-- a gun-- which could by its rapidity of fire enable one man to do as much battle as one hundred, then the number of men exposed to disease and death would be greatly diminished.

Well meaning doctors, who were both horribly wrong.
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You left off fauci.
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And Frankenstein…
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Jeff84 said:

And Frankenstein…

It's "Fronk-en-steen"
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The recent assassination attempt on Trump gets hailed as a miracle, but the first attempted assassination of a sitting president was nothing short of a miracle. On January 30, 1835, as Andrew Jackson was leaving the Capitol, Richard Lawrence a deranged house painter pulled a percussion cap pistol from his coat, pointed it at Jackson at point blank range and pulled the trigger. The cap fired but the gun did not. Lawrence reached into his coat for a second pistol and the exact same thing happened. After that bystanders subdued Lawrence and he was arrested.

Authorities examined the two pistols and found both to be in perfect working order. In fact they replaced the caps and fired the two bullets Lawrence had intended for "Old Hickory."
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And Old Hickory beat the hell out of Lawrence with a cane before he was restrained by other bystanders.
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How the Bf-109 saved Israel.

Just a tad bit of irony, there. The Fw-190 only achieved half the amount of victories of the -109.
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But Israeli agents had difficulty purchasing military equipment because of an arms embargo. Finally, Otto Felix found a Czech arms dealer willing to sell Avia S-199s at the then-exorbitant rate of $180,000 each, equivalent to $1.8 million today. The price included equipment, ammunition, delivery, and flying lessons for the Israeli pilots, many of whom had only civilian flying experience.
The first order for 10 S-199s was followed by another for 15. When the Israelis subsequently received an offer to purchase far more capable P-47 Thunderbolts at a lower price, they turned it down.
The new air force also lacked qualified pilots and mechanics, so it assembled a rag-tag group of volunteers, adventurers and low-paid mercenaries known asMachal or Machalniks.
Of the 609 personnel that served in the Israeli air force in its first war, 181 were Israeli-born, 182 came from the United States, 80 were South African and around 50 each hailed from Canada and the United Kingdom. The remainder came from at least a dozen other countries. Around four-fifths were Jewish.
On May 6, 1948, two of these volunteers and eight Haganah pilots left for the Czech Republic to begin training on the S-199s.
Four Broken Aircraft Save Tel Aviv:
On May 18, an Egyptian C-47 dropped bombs on Tel Aviv's central bus terminal, killing 42 people and wounding more than 100.
When the Israeli pilots learned of the attack, they demanded to return to Israel early. Their Czech instructors objected that the volunteers hadn't even received basic combat training, and only the experienced pilots had any chance of operating the aircraft safely. But the volunteers got their way and headed back to the Middle East.
Plans to ferry the S-199s directly became impossible because of the arms embargo. Instead, technicians dismantled the S-199s. Each was shipped over in two separate flights by enormous long-range C-46 Commando transport aircraft. These flew first to Corsica and from there to Ekron now Tel Nof Air Base in Operation Balak, which began on May 20.

The DB605 engines were lost, so they had to use the Junkers Jumo-F engines (from Heinkel bombers), making them a bit…iffy vs. the German predecessor.
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And the B-24 carried more bombs than the B-17 but who doesn't appreciate a better flying plane and a 20mm cannon?

Cool story BTW.
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That's true. I don't think many consider the FW190 'inferior' in any real way to the Messerschmidt, just some fun factoids.

Separately, William the Conquerer's "Domesday Book" is still a mystery, and probably always will be.
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Israeli's uncover 5500 year old intact flint blade trading/manufacturing hub.
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Unlike scattered remnants typical of prehistoric sites, this workshop was fully intact. The presence of both finished blades and the rare cores they came from suggests a centralized, organized operation. Interestingly, waste fragmentsor debitagewere notably absent, likely removed to protect the craft's specialized knowledge.
"This was not just a workshop; it was a regional distribution center," said excavation co-directors Dr. Martin David Pasternak, Shira Lif****z, and Dr. Nathan Ben-Ari. "Blades produced here were likely exported across the Levant."
The workshop was part of a vast, complex settlement occupied continuously from the Chalcolithic period into the Early Bronze Age. Spanning over half a kilometer, the site included hundreds of subterranean pits lined with mud bricks, used for storage, habitation, workshops, and ritual practicesclear signs of early urban planning.
Biblical Context: Near the Land of Goliath
The site's location adds an extra layer of historical intrigue. Modern-day Kiryat Gat, where the excavation took place, lies near the biblical city of Gathhome of the Philistine warrior Goliath. In the Bible, Gath features prominently in the stories of David, King Saul, and the Israelite-Philistine conflict.
During King Saul's time, according to the Book of Samuel, Israelites lacked access to iron weapons, which were monopolized by the Philistines. Ironically, thousands of years earlier, the ancestors of this region had mastered flint technology capable of producing lethal, precision toolslong before metalworking became widespread.
A New Chapter in Early Civilization
The discovery deepens our understanding of how early humans organized society, managed resources, and developed specialized industries. It also challenges prior assumptions about technological advancement during the Early Bronze Age.
"This is one of the most significant prehistoric discoveries in southern Israel," the excavation team noted. "It shows that the foundations of urbanization and professional economy were laid much earlier than previously believed."

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Patton's OER (or rating or whatever they called it then) of Omar Bradley.

He was a damned eloquent man.
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nortex97 said:

Patton's OER (or rating or whatever they called it then) of Omar Bradley.

He was a damned eloquent man.


Nice. Looks like our annual review process where I work.
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No PME noted or masters degree. Will only rate him a "promote," which is code for don't promote, versus "Definitely Promote."
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nortex97 said:

How the Bf-109 saved Israel.

Just a tad bit of irony, there. The Fw-190 only achieved half the amount of victories of the -109.
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But Israeli agents had difficulty purchasing military equipment because of an arms embargo. Finally, Otto Felix found a Czech arms dealer willing to sell Avia S-199s at the then-exorbitant rate of $180,000 each, equivalent to $1.8 million today. The price included equipment, ammunition, delivery, and flying lessons for the Israeli pilots, many of whom had only civilian flying experience.
The first order for 10 S-199s was followed by another for 15. When the Israelis subsequently received an offer to purchase far more capable P-47 Thunderbolts at a lower price, they turned it down.
The new air force also lacked qualified pilots and mechanics, so it assembled a rag-tag group of volunteers, adventurers and low-paid mercenaries known asMachal or Machalniks.
Of the 609 personnel that served in the Israeli air force in its first war, 181 were Israeli-born, 182 came from the United States, 80 were South African and around 50 each hailed from Canada and the United Kingdom. The remainder came from at least a dozen other countries. Around four-fifths were Jewish.
On May 6, 1948, two of these volunteers and eight Haganah pilots left for the Czech Republic to begin training on the S-199s.
Four Broken Aircraft Save Tel Aviv:
On May 18, an Egyptian C-47 dropped bombs on Tel Aviv's central bus terminal, killing 42 people and wounding more than 100.
When the Israeli pilots learned of the attack, they demanded to return to Israel early. Their Czech instructors objected that the volunteers hadn't even received basic combat training, and only the experienced pilots had any chance of operating the aircraft safely. But the volunteers got their way and headed back to the Middle East.
Plans to ferry the S-199s directly became impossible because of the arms embargo. Instead, technicians dismantled the S-199s. Each was shipped over in two separate flights by enormous long-range C-46 Commando transport aircraft. These flew first to Corsica and from there to Ekron now Tel Nof Air Base in Operation Balak, which began on May 20.

The DB605 engines were lost, so they had to use the Junkers Jumo-F engines (from Heinkel bombers), making them a bit…iffy vs. the German predecessor.

And were shooting down Egyptian Spitfires.....
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Excellent!

The 'Attack of the dead men' (WW1): Germans v. Russians, of course.

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In the early morning hours of August 6, 1915, Russian soldiers were awakened by the sound of a German artillery barrage and then a dark green and thick cloud began to drift over their lines and into the Osowiec Fortress choking the men of the Russian 226th infantry regiment as they rushed to their defensive positions.
The chemical mixture of Chlorine and Bromine gas launched by the Germans turned into hydrochloric acid as it was inhaled by the Russian soldiers and ate away at their lungs causing them to suffocate on their own blood.
In a hasty attempt to save themselves from the suffocating gas, the Russian troops defending the trenches in front of Osowiec wrapped bandages soaked in their own urine around their faces, covering their noses and mouths in a desperate attempt to keep from inhaling the noxious and deadly gas. Seven thousand German soldiers, wearing the most advanced gas masks then available, marched across a muddy no man's land littered with corpses to attack Osowiec Fortress. After the effective deployment of their chemical weapons the attacking Germans expected to meet little resistance. They couldn't have been more wrong.
Not only did the surviving Russian soldiers under the command of a Lieutenant Korlinsky defend themselves--they counterattacked! The Russians, with their heads wrapped in bandages like mummies, coughing up blood, and tearing at their own flesh to escape the pain of the burning chemicals charged at the advancing Germans before the walls of Osowiec fortress.
The sight of Russian soldiers draped in blood-soaked rags, stumbling towards them and haphazardly firing their weapons in all directions must have given them the appearance of an attacking army of zombies, hence the name history has given to the Battle of Osowiec Fortress "The Attack of the Dead Men". And for a time this attack caused panic in the German lines and halted their advance.

War is hell, and sucks. More at the link.
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Vaso Cubrilovic was the youngest member of the team of assassins that killed Archduke a Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo on June 28, 1914. Although he felt some remorse that this act started World War I, he never regretted killing the archduke. Cubrilovic received mercy because he was only 16 at the time of the assassination and was only sentenced to a 16 year prison sentence. Released from prison at the end of the war, he became a national hero in Serbia. After World War II, Tito made him the Minister of Forestry for Yugoslavia. He lived to the age of 93 in 1990. He asked to be buried by his fellow assassins in the Field of Blackbirds in Kosovo but by then, the Balkans were at war again and his wish could not be fulfilled.
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On July 30, 1942, German U-Boat U166 torpedoed and sank passenger steamer SS Robert E Lee in the Gulf of Mexico, just south of the Mississippi River Delta. Immediately the Lee's escort, PC-5166, skippered by LCDR Herbert G. Claudius, pursued the U-boat, attacking it with depth charges. He claimed in his formal report that he sunk the U166. However, Navy brass did not agree, criticizing his technique, giving him a formal reprimand and removing Claudius from sea going duties. An amphibious assault plane also claimed to have spotted a Uboat 30 miles south of Houma, LA
on the same day and attacked with torpedoes. Since U166 was reported missing on that day, the aircraft was credited with the sinking.

In 2001, the wreck of U166 was discovered only 1 mile from the wreck of the SS Robert E Lee.

However, in 2014, a detailed survey of the wreck was conducted, and its stern was found to have been blown off. The destruction was consistent with a depth charge landing on its stern and then exploding.

Turns out Claudius' report in 1942 was correct. Therefore, in 2014 the Secretary of the Navy corrected the error. Captain Herbert G. Claudius was posthumously credited with the sinking, awarded the Legion of Merit with Combat "V" device for heroism. He said "Seventy years later, we now know that [Claudius's] report after the action was absolutely correct," he said. "[Claudius's ship] did sink that U-boat, and it's never too late to set the record straight."

Cheers to Captain Claudius.




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The last hope for a French monarchy died on June 1, 1879 in the Zulu War. It happened when Zulus killed and mutilated the heir to the throne Prince Imperial Louis Napoleon, the son of Napoleon III. Louis was killed wearing the sword of his uncle Napoleon I.

After Napoleon III abdicated following the Franco Prussian War in 1870, he took his family to live in England. Louis in order to prove his military prowess and leadership became an officer in the British army. He was sent to South Africa at the beginning of the Zulu War. His superiors and colleagues foresaw his demise, as he acted quite recklessly on more than one occasion. The last time , resulted in his death and a few of his men. Unfortunately it was only days before the end of the war.
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The first British and German naval casualties of World War I were the light cruiser Amphion and the minelayer Konigin Luise. On August 6 1914, Amphion and two destroyers caught the Koinigin Luise laying mines off the coast of England. They fired on her until the damage was so great that the German commander ordered the scuttling and abandonment of his ship. Amphion picked up 21 survivors and was headed for home, when she struck a mine laid by the Konigin Luise and sank with the loss of 150 men, including 19 of the 21 prisoners.
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Somewhat tangentially related, the German Sharnhorst battlecruiser also sunk in (December) 1914 was only recently discovered off the Falkland Islands in 2019 I believe.
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nortex97 said:

Somewhat tangentially related, the German Sharnhorst battlecruiser also sunk in (December) 1914 was only recently discovered off the Falkland Islands in 2019 I believe.

Not to be pedantic, but the article calls the Scharnhorst a Battlecruiser when it's actually an Armored Cruiser. Completely different class of ships and made obsolete by the Battlecruisers introduction.
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Oh, not pedantic at all. I am an ignoramus to be frank about most navy historical stuff. Thx for the catch.

Separately;
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I learned this on the Politics board yesterday. The US military is issuing Purple Hearts that were made during WWII. The military had over 1.5MM made in the event we invaded Japan.

They are making new medals now and they are interspersed with the old medals.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024/05/14/decades-recipients-were-honored-purple-hearts-made-during-wwii-company-now-forges-new-medals.html
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