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Sumlin vs. Fisher vs. Elko (First 19 Games)

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10:38a, 10/14/25
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Sumlin record first 19 games: 16-3 (8-3 SEC) w/ Johnny Football
Fisher record first 19 games: 12-7 (6-5 SEC)
Elko record first 19 games: 14-5 (8-3 SEC)

Sumlin record first 2 seasons: 20-6 (10-6 SEC) w/ Johnny Football
Fisher record first 2 seasons: 17-9 (9-7 SEC)
Elko record first 2 seasons: ?
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In reply to Pumpkinhead • 10:42a, 10/14/25
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Keep in mind in Sumlin had an NFL O-Line, a Heisman QB, and Mike Evans in his first 2 years

Not quite apples to apples
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10:43a, 10/14/25
I think we can all agree Sumlin inherited everything including one of the best QB's of recent memories. Sumlin deserves little to no credit.
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In reply to Hill08 • 10:45a, 10/14/25
every time I see Kliff (like last night) I have similar thoughts... Career built by JFF
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10:47a, 10/14/25
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True or False: After 2 seasons, Elko will have a better SEC record that Sumlin did with Johnny Football?

Elko would need to go at least 2-3 in the remaining SEC games to do that. I am very confident the answer is True.

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11:03a, 10/14/25
"First 19 games" is a weird benchmark.

Wait until the end of the season.
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In reply to Wolfpac 08 • 11:07a, 10/14/25
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Wolfpac 08 said:
Keep in mind in Sumlin had an NFL O-Line, a Heisman QB, and Mike Evans in his first 2 years

Not quite apples to apples

Sumlin also had an OOC schedule that was pathetic due to having to add two games to the schedule. Eight guaranteed wins in his first two years
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11:10a, 10/14/25
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Elko's teams pass the eye test. They're fast, gritty and unrelenting. They play sound football and are balanced on both sides of the ball across all positions.

Let Elko finish cooking.
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In reply to Wolfpac 08 • 11:13a, 10/14/25
Wolfpac 08 said:
Keep in mind in Sumlin had an NFL O-Line, a Heisman QB, and Mike Evans in his first 2 years

Not quite apples to apples


Elko also has NIL and the transfer portal. They've all had their own advantages.
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11:14a, 10/14/25
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I feel like there's no question which of the 3 knows how to build a winning culture.
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In reply to BrotherChad2 • 11:28a, 10/14/25
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BrotherChad2 said:
"First 19 games" is a weird benchmark.

Wait until the end of the season.


You mean right now for Elko........
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In reply to Wolfpac 08 • 11:39a, 10/14/25
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Keep in mind in Sumlin had an NFL O-Line, a Heisman QB, and Mike Evans in his first 2 years

Not quite apples to apples

That's kind of a dumb criticism. Every successful coach has one thing in common: talented players.
Criticize Sumlin where it's due, but saying "oh he only won because he had great players" is dumb.
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In reply to BrotherChad2 • 11:39a, 10/14/25
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BrotherChad2 said:
"First 19 games" is a weird benchmark.

Wait until the end of the season.

I didn't want to wait!!!!
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In reply to NoahAg • 11:41a, 10/14/25
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No, it's not
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11:46a, 10/14/25
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Sumlin also benefitted from the Petrino scandal that kneecapped what had been a good Arkansas team. Just one game, I know, but it was a conference game in our inaugural SEC year.
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In reply to NoahAg • 11:46a, 10/14/25
NoahAg said:
Wolfpac 08 said:
Keep in mind in Sumlin had an NFL O-Line, a Heisman QB, and Mike Evans in his first 2 years

Not quite apples to apples

That's kind of a dumb criticism. Every successful coach has one thing in common: talented players.
Criticize Sumlin where it's due, but saying "oh he only won because he had great players" is dumb.


Sumlin proved he wasn't a good coach. Take away that OL and JFF he would have been under .500
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In reply to Wolfpac 08 • 11:52a, 10/14/25
Wolfpac 08 said:
Keep in mind in Sumlin had an NFL O-Line, a Heisman QB, and Mike Evans in his first 2 years

Not quite apples to apples

100% agree with you. But we could be saying that about this 2025 team as well with an NFL O-Line, a Heisman QB contender (no one will ever be Johnny Football), and two of the best receivers in the country.
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In reply to barnag • 11:55a, 10/14/25
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Don't make me laugh
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In reply to Wolfpac 08 • 12:07p, 10/14/25
do you disagree?
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In reply to barnag • 12:08p, 10/14/25
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Yes
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12:09p, 10/14/25
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Sumlin started the 8-4 trend and the late-season slumps, that we haven't quite gotten over, in year 2. Outside of the 2012 season he was consistently mediocre.

Fisher might have worked out if we hired him in 2012, the era/culture that made his coaching style great is gone. A lot of the teams that are successful right now were able to adapt.


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In reply to Wolfpac 08 • 12:11p, 10/14/25
Well I personally think our talent and execution this year is unreal. I'm excited about the season.
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12:12p, 10/14/25
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Look at Sumlin from 2014 to the end and it is UGLY.

Elko > Jimbo >>>> Sumlin

All pale to the greatness of Mike Sherman!!!
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In reply to NoahAg • 12:19p, 10/14/25
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NoahAg said:
Wolfpac 08 said:
Keep in mind in Sumlin had an NFL O-Line, a Heisman QB, and Mike Evans in his first 2 years

Not quite apples to apples

That's kind of a dumb criticism. Every successful coach has one thing in common: talented players.
Criticize Sumlin where it's due, but saying "oh he only won because he had great players" is dumb.
Its a fair criticism when none of the players that led to his success were ones that he recruited.
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In reply to barnag • 12:21p, 10/14/25
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I can agree with that statement. I'm loving watching this group this season.

But to compare them to the 2012 group is laughable.
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In reply to Wolfpac 08 • 12:25p, 10/14/25
Not saying they're the same, but it's the closest we've ever had to it and that makes me happy.
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12:25p, 10/14/25
Elko might have won the natty if he inherited what Sumlin did.
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12:29p, 10/14/25
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Elko's team play the last couple of games is exhibiting what is Duke teams did: play sound fundamental football. Luckily, this team is much more talented than his Duke teams.
I know a lot about a little, and a little about a lot.
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1:16p, 10/14/25
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Just imagine if Sumlin knew how to use the game clock.
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1:54p, 10/14/25
Sumlin vs. Fisher vs. Elko (First 19 Games)
Sumlin's record
UH 2011 12 1
2012 11 2 won Cotton Bowl
.673 winning record 4 years at UH
.662 winning record 6 years at A&M in the tough SEC
I don't know what the agenda on posts about Sumlin is.
Give the man credit and stop qualifying his wins with the presence of Johnny or Sherman's offensive line.
He injected positive vibes to the program nationally.
Sherman had Johnny on the roster too, by the way.
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In reply to NoahAg • 1:57p, 10/14/25
NoahAg said:
Wolfpac 08 said:
Keep in mind in Sumlin had an NFL O-Line, a Heisman QB, and Mike Evans in his first 2 years

Not quite apples to apples

That's kind of a dumb criticism. Every successful coach has one thing in common: talented players.
Criticize Sumlin where it's due, but saying "oh he only won because he had great players" is dumb.


But Saban won with 3 stars all over the roster
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In reply to Jsaba7 • 2:12p, 10/14/25
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No agenda. Sumlin didn't know how to manage a big-time program and once Johnny and the gang were gone he did absolutely nothing.

Johnny, his exciting play, and his off the field celebrity status brought excitement to the program. Don't give that credit to Sumlin.
"DON'T TURN YOUR BACK ON THE WOLFPACK...OR YOU MIGHT WIND UP IN A BODY BAG!!!"
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In reply to Jsaba7 • 2:14p, 10/14/25
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Sherman had Johnny on the roster too, by the way

And if he would have played Johnny, he might not have gotten fired. Same with Sumlin and Kyler.
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In reply to Jsaba7 • 2:35p, 10/14/25
Sumlin did inherit an NFL O-line but it was his hurry up offense that allowed JFF to succeed. That 2012 season was the only good thing Sumlin did for A&M, imo. Teams started to figure out the hurry up offense and Sumlin proved to be a one trick pony. Plus, it was JFF that brought this program excitement and donors. Without Johnny, Kyle Field is not what it is today. Once JFF and Mike Evans left, Sumlin did very little to restock the shelves. Now, he did recruit Myles Garrett and Christian Kirk as well as Kyler Murray and Kyle Allen but did not really know how to handle them personally or on the field. Myles was going to be an NFL stud no matter where he went and who coached him. But I do not think the A&M staff did very little to aid in his development. He is an NFL stud in spite of Sumlin, not because of him. Also, Sumlin's handling of Kyle Allen vs Kyler Murray is one of the more awful team management fiascos of the last 20 years. I think either would have been a great QB for the Aggies, but Sumlin dropped the ball. He was not a good judge of character. How many highly touted recruits ended up being busts? (like Speedy Noil).

Sherman had a true freshman Johnny on the roster. QB1 that season, Ryan Tannehill, a guy who ended up starting 12 years in the NFL. I think the correct decision at the time was to start Tannehill over Johnny
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In reply to NoahAg • 2:41p, 10/14/25
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NoahAg said:
Wolfpac 08 said:
Keep in mind in Sumlin had an NFL O-Line, a Heisman QB, and Mike Evans in his first 2 years

Not quite apples to apples

That's kind of a dumb criticism. Every successful coach has one thing in common: talented players.
Criticize Sumlin where it's due, but saying "oh he only won because he had great players" is dumb.


No, this is a dumb take. That 2012 team didn't just have "talented players." That was one of the most talented teams we have ever had, and he didn't do anything to build it or develop it. He stepped into the greatest college QB of all time, an O-line that would all be high NFL draft picks within 1-2 years, 2 of the greatest wide receivers ever to step foot on campus (Swope had the school record for yards in a single season until Evans, now an NFL HoF lock, broke it), and a junior/senior laden defense that could go toe to toe with any offense.

Beyond that, our 2012 schedule was incredibly easy in hindsight. Everyone built it up as this daunting gauntlet, but it wasn't. Arkansas has been good for years, but they fired Petrino in the off-season and had John L. Smith as a HC. Auburn had just won a national championship, but they ended up going 0fer in the SEC and during Chizik. Missouri finished 5-7. Ole Miss finished 7-6. MSU was a respectable 8-5. He had 4 actually tough opponents (LSU, Florida, Bama, and OU) and went 2-2.

Arguably, any coach could've gone 11-2 and a good coach would've done better.
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