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My question is, what are the top coaches out there that you would want to replace him with. There's not many names of stud coaches that are looking for placement. Matt rule is average.
John Gruden has never coached college
Indiana's coach would not leave for Florida, may leave for Penn State
But who else is out there that is worth going after.

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Penn State is about to find out the hard way they aren't as big a job as they thought they were. If they whiff on Rhule they aren't getting any of the big time coaches everyone is talking about. People don't seem to understand that Texas Tech is a better job than Penn State for example.

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By what measure is Tech a better job?

Do people really not remember that Penn State was a play away from the national championship last year? And the previous two years before that went 10-2 in the regular season? This isn't about Penn State not being able to compete and keep up with the times. Franklin absolutely choked the last 2 weeks against far inferior competition, but that doesn't diminish what the job is overall. It's actually pretty crazy to fire a guy who had the level of success he has had the previous 3 years (if Elko has a 3 year run like that we will be building a statue). Sure it's not an elite top 5 type of job, but it's certainly in that next tier.

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I'll list the virtues of the Tech job

1) will not get outspent by anyone on facilities, coaching staff or NIL
2) is in the state of Texas
3) is in the B12 and has an insurmountable advantage over every other team in the conference. Will probably have an auto bid to playoffs going forward.


Play away for a national championship. If we could get trophies made for this we would have a couple natties in our trophy case.

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So you're basically saying it's a better job than A&M and Texas too?

And when were we a play away from a national championship?

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Right now Tech is spending more on NIL than A&M and they have a WAY easier path to a natty so in some significant ways Tech is a better job than A&M. Now you do have to live in Lubbock so it's not all roses and fairytales.

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Well we just disagree then about how good of a job Tech is, agree to disagree

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This is idiotic. Tech currently spends more on NIL than just about every SEC team.


According to this poll, only one SEC team spends more than Tech. I don't see PSU anywhere on this list and they may have seriously put a dent in their existing pool of money.

Top Spenders in College Football (According to On3 Poll):
1. Texas Longhorns
2. Texas Tech
3. Ohio State
4. Oregon
5. Texas A&M & Miami
7. Michigan & USC
9. Tennessee
10. Auburn

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I don't trust on3's numbers, you realize those are based on speculation and not fact, right?

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I agree but look at their recruiting right now. Do you think top players all around the country are going to Tech for the beaches?

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Umm 247 has them at number 18 in the recruiting rankings for this upcoming class. Where are you getting your info?

https://247sports.com/season/2026-football/compositeteamrankings/

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This is idiotic. Tech currently spends more on NIL than just about every SEC team.


According to this poll, only one SEC team spends more than Tech. I don't see PSU anywhere on this list and they may have seriously put a dent in their existing pool of money.

Top Spenders in College Football (According to On3 Poll):
1. Texas Longhorns
2. Texas Tech
3. Ohio State
4. Oregon
5. Texas A&M & Miami
7. Michigan & USC
9. Tennessee
10. Auburn

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I don't trust on3's numbers, you realize those are based on speculation and not fact, right?

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I agree but look at their recruiting right now. Do you think top players all around the country are going to Tech for the beaches?

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Umm 247 has them at number 18 in the recruiting rankings for this upcoming class. Where are you getting your info?

https://247sports.com/season/2026-football/compositeteamrankings/

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Who is below Tech at 19? Now compare their portal classes. Tech is number 2 behind only LSU. Penn St is 41.

To put that in context, in 2025 Tech added 13 four star portal players, PSU added 3. That is a material difference if you are a coach weighing the comparative advantages of PSU vs Tech.

This sort of thing will become more and more common. Many of these guys are mercenaries, after the most money, many are not really invested in the school, and the huge salaries are insane. But it is no different than the mercenaries on the field. Many of them, too, are chasing the dollar and have little or no allegiance to any school. Whether coaching, or playing, it all pays the same, win, lose, or draw.

With all the money involved and fear of players jumping ship, it would not surprise me to see more and more coaches fired as soon as things don't go well.

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My question is, what are the top coaches out there that you would want to replace him with. There's not many names of stud coaches that are looking for placement. Matt rule is average.
John Gruden has never coached college
Indiana's coach would not leave for Florida, may leave for Penn State
But who else is out there that is worth going after.

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Penn State is about to find out the hard way they aren't as big a job as they thought they were. If they whiff on Rhule they aren't getting any of the big time coaches everyone is talking about. People don't seem to understand that Texas Tech is a better job than Penn State for example.

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By what measure is Tech a better job?

Do people really not remember that Penn State was a play away from the national championship last year? And the previous two years before that went 10-2 in the regular season? This isn't about Penn State not being able to compete and keep up with the times. Franklin absolutely choked the last 2 weeks against far inferior competition, but that doesn't diminish what the job is overall. It's actually pretty crazy to fire a guy who had the level of success he has had the previous 3 years (if Elko has a 3 year run like that we will be building a statue). Sure it's not an elite top 5 type of job, but it's certainly in that next tier.

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I'll list the virtues of the Tech job

1) will not get outspent by anyone on facilities, coaching staff or NIL
2) is in the state of Texas
3) is in the B12 and has an insurmountable advantage over every other team in the conference. Will probably have an auto bid to playoffs going forward.


Play away for a national championship. If we could get trophies made for this we would have a couple natties in our trophy case.

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So you're basically saying it's a better job than A&M and Texas too?

And when were we a play away from a national championship?

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Right now Tech is spending more on NIL than A&M and they have a WAY easier path to a natty so in some significant ways Tech is a better job than A&M. Now you do have to live in Lubbock so it's not all roses and fairytales.

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Tech's coaches/NIL staff openly admit they spend more on NIL/rev share because they have to in order to attract recruits//top transfers. If a recruit's number to play for certain programs is X, Tech has to offer X + 30% to get them to come to Tech. They pay a premium because they don't have a championship pedigree or prolonged history of spitting out NFL first round draft picks. (I think they also pay a premium because they're way out in Lubbock, but can't prove that.)

Evaluating if a program is a better job than another depends on your criteria and goals. Is your goal to win a national championship? If it is, Tech is not a better job than the vast majority of SEC programs. Is your goal to merely make the Playoffs as often as possible? If it is, Tech is one of the best jobs in the country. I would also argue the SMU may be one of the best jobs in the nation now since they have billionaire boosters bankrolling them, and an easier path in the ACC.

It all depends on your criteria. I think Florida might be one of the worst head coaching jobs in the current college football climate, simply because I think their fans are spoiled by memories of 2006/2008, and live in a false reality. If you are a coach at Florida and make the CFP, they'll set that as the new floor for their program, and expect it every year. Florida fans saw what Saban did at Bama, think there is no reason they shouldn't be able to do that at Florida, and that is their expectation. I think any coach who takes that job has to be a little crazy, especially with their current athletic director.

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This is idiotic. Tech currently spends more on NIL than just about every SEC team.


According to this poll, only one SEC team spends more than Tech. I don't see PSU anywhere on this list and they may have seriously put a dent in their existing pool of money.

Top Spenders in College Football (According to On3 Poll):
1. Texas Longhorns
2. Texas Tech
3. Ohio State
4. Oregon
5. Texas A&M & Miami
7. Michigan & USC
9. Tennessee
10. Auburn

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I don't trust on3's numbers, you realize those are based on speculation and not fact, right?

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I agree but look at their recruiting right now. Do you think top players all around the country are going to Tech for the beaches?

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Umm 247 has them at number 18 in the recruiting rankings for this upcoming class. Where are you getting your info?

https://247sports.com/season/2026-football/compositeteamrankings/

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Who is below Tech at 19? Now compare their portal classes. Tech is number 2 behind only LSU. Penn St is 41.

To put that in context, in 2025 Tech added 13 four star portal players, PSU added 3. That is a material difference if you are a coach weighing the comparative advantages of PSU vs Tech.

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You're the one saying Tech is this elite recruiting monster and it's not even close to true. Their 2025 class was rated 51st! (Penn state was 15). Obviously Tech is just spending all of their money in the transfer portal and not focusing on high school recruiting. That's just a preference in philosophy, and I don't think it's sustainable personally

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The school that fired their coach, is hemorrhaging recruits and dropped about 10 spots in the rankings.

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This is idiotic. Tech currently spends more on NIL than just about every SEC team.


According to this poll, only one SEC team spends more than Tech. I don't see PSU anywhere on this list and they may have seriously put a dent in their existing pool of money.

Top Spenders in College Football (According to On3 Poll):
1. Texas Longhorns
2. Texas Tech
3. Ohio State
4. Oregon
5. Texas A&M & Miami
7. Michigan & USC
9. Tennessee
10. Auburn

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I don't trust on3's numbers, you realize those are based on speculation and not fact, right?

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I agree but look at their recruiting right now. Do you think top players all around the country are going to Tech for the beaches?

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Umm 247 has them at number 18 in the recruiting rankings for this upcoming class. Where are you getting your info?

https://247sports.com/season/2026-football/compositeteamrankings/

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Who is below Tech at 19? Now compare their portal classes. Tech is number 2 behind only LSU. Penn St is 41.

To put that in context, in 2025 Tech added 13 four star portal players, PSU added 3. That is a material difference if you are a coach weighing the comparative advantages of PSU vs Tech.

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You're the one saying Tech is this elite recruiting monster and it's not even close to true. Their 2025 class was rated 51st! (Penn state was 15). Obviously Tech is just spending all of their money in the transfer portal and not focusing on high school recruiting. That's just a preference in philosophy, and I don't think it's sustainable personally

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You are dedicated to this argument but the data is not on your side.

My argument was that Tech has more NIL money than PSU and many other former schools that considered themselves "Blue Bloods". Tech is on a tear in NIL spending. You claimed the "On-Three" rank was questionable but didn't explain how tech jumped from 51 in 2025 to 18 in 2026. And finished second in the country in portal additions last year and PSU finished 41. Did PSU finish 39 spots below Tech because they outspent Tech. I predict Tech is just getting started and teams like PSU won't be able to catch up in spending.

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The school that fired their coach, is hemorrhaging recruits and dropped about 10 spots in the rankings.

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Ok then explain the 2025 portal classes. Tech bought the 2nd class in the nation and James Franklin when he had a job and the number 2 team in the country landed the 41 ranked portal class. Was PSU paying players in white out t-shirts?

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This is idiotic. Tech currently spends more on NIL than just about every SEC team.


According to this poll, only one SEC team spends more than Tech. I don't see PSU anywhere on this list and they may have seriously put a dent in their existing pool of money.

Top Spenders in College Football (According to On3 Poll):
1. Texas Longhorns
2. Texas Tech
3. Ohio State
4. Oregon
5. Texas A&M & Miami
7. Michigan & USC
9. Tennessee
10. Auburn

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I don't trust on3's numbers, you realize those are based on speculation and not fact, right?

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I agree but look at their recruiting right now. Do you think top players all around the country are going to Tech for the beaches?

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Umm 247 has them at number 18 in the recruiting rankings for this upcoming class. Where are you getting your info?

https://247sports.com/season/2026-football/compositeteamrankings/

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Who is below Tech at 19? Now compare their portal classes. Tech is number 2 behind only LSU. Penn St is 41.

To put that in context, in 2025 Tech added 13 four star portal players, PSU added 3. That is a material difference if you are a coach weighing the comparative advantages of PSU vs Tech.

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You're the one saying Tech is this elite recruiting monster and it's not even close to true. Their 2025 class was rated 51st! (Penn state was 15). Obviously Tech is just spending all of their money in the transfer portal and not focusing on high school recruiting. That's just a preference in philosophy, and I don't think it's sustainable personally

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You are dedicated to this argument but the data is not on your side.

My argument was that Tech has more NIL money than PSU and many other former schools that considered themselves "Blue Bloods". Tech is on a tear in NIL spending. You claimed the "On-Three" rank was questionable but didn't explain how tech jumped from 51 in 2025 to 18 in 2026. And finished second in the country in portal additions last year and PSU finished 41. Did PSU finish 39 spots below Tech because they outspent Tech. I predict Tech is just getting started and teams like PSU won't be able to catch up in spending.

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You must have a Tech connection or something, your argument doesn't even make sense anymore. This conversation isn't about Tech vs Penn State anymore…you basically argued that Tech is now one of the best jobs in the country even over schools like A&M and Texas. You are hanging your hat on one portal class and that's it, their current recruiting is 18 and you're talking about them like they have the number one class. So they decided to go all in on a portal class, Ole Miss did the same thing last year and got nothing from it

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The school that fired their coach, is hemorrhaging recruits and dropped about 10 spots in the rankings.

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Ok then explain the 2025 portal classes. Tech bought the 2nd class in the nation and James Franklin when he had a job and the number 2 team in the country landed the 41 ranked portal class. Was PSU paying players in white out t-shirts?

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Maybe since Penn State was the number 2 team and returning a lot of players they didn't feel they needed a lot from the portal. Tech had the 51st recruiting class last year so yea they needed some new players

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This is idiotic. Tech currently spends more on NIL than just about every SEC team.


According to this poll, only one SEC team spends more than Tech. I don't see PSU anywhere on this list and they may have seriously put a dent in their existing pool of money.

Top Spenders in College Football (According to On3 Poll):
1. Texas Longhorns
2. Texas Tech
3. Ohio State
4. Oregon
5. Texas A&M & Miami
7. Michigan & USC
9. Tennessee
10. Auburn

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I don't trust on3's numbers, you realize those are based on speculation and not fact, right?

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I agree but look at their recruiting right now. Do you think top players all around the country are going to Tech for the beaches?

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Umm 247 has them at number 18 in the recruiting rankings for this upcoming class. Where are you getting your info?

https://247sports.com/season/2026-football/compositeteamrankings/

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Who is below Tech at 19? Now compare their portal classes. Tech is number 2 behind only LSU. Penn St is 41.

To put that in context, in 2025 Tech added 13 four star portal players, PSU added 3. That is a material difference if you are a coach weighing the comparative advantages of PSU vs Tech.

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You're the one saying Tech is this elite recruiting monster and it's not even close to true. Their 2025 class was rated 51st! (Penn state was 15). Obviously Tech is just spending all of their money in the transfer portal and not focusing on high school recruiting. That's just a preference in philosophy, and I don't think it's sustainable personally

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You are dedicated to this argument but the data is not on your side.

My argument was that Tech has more NIL money than PSU and many other former schools that considered themselves "Blue Bloods". Tech is on a tear in NIL spending. You claimed the "On-Three" rank was questionable but didn't explain how tech jumped from 51 in 2025 to 18 in 2026. And finished second in the country in portal additions last year and PSU finished 41. Did PSU finish 39 spots below Tech because they outspent Tech. I predict Tech is just getting started and teams like PSU won't be able to catch up in spending.

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You must have a Tech connection or something, your argument doesn't even make sense anymore. This conversation isn't about Tech vs Penn State anymore…you basically argued that Tech is now one of the best jobs in the country even over schools like A&M and Texas. You are hanging your hat on one portal class and that's it, their current recruiting is 18 and you're talking about them like they have the number one class.

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I don't have any connections to Tech but I LOVE that a school like Tech can rub it in the noses of these schools who thought they were somehow superior to everyone else. More power to the donor at Tech who put his money where his mouth is. In many ways we are like Tech in that way. Nobody took us seriously (still don't really) until we bought the top ranked class in '22.


I'm sure as hell not going to parrot that Fox Sports B10 worship that guys like Joel Klatt and others are selling.

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The school that fired their coach, is hemorrhaging recruits and dropped about 10 spots in the rankings.

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Ok then explain the 2025 portal classes. Tech bought the 2nd class in the nation and James Franklin when he had a job and the number 2 team in the country landed the 41 ranked portal class. Was PSU paying players in white out t-shirts?

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Maybe since Penn State was the number 2 team and returning a lot of players they didn't feel they needed a lot from the portal. Tech had the 51st recruiting class last year so yea they needed some new players

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Well if you look at where Tech is and where Penn St. is maybe they grossly miscalculated.

Also another thing that is pretty remarkable. Elko brought in a lot fewer players but man-o-man were they serious contributors.

I'm trying to imagine our team without:
Mario Craver
KC Concepcion
Dayon Hays
Nate Boerkircher
Tyler Onedim
Amari Niblack


That is one hell of a haul. Kudos to whoever is doing the player evaluation and development.

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This is idiotic. Tech currently spends more on NIL than just about every SEC team.


According to this poll, only one SEC team spends more than Tech. I don't see PSU anywhere on this list and they may have seriously put a dent in their existing pool of money.

Top Spenders in College Football (According to On3 Poll):
1. Texas Longhorns
2. Texas Tech
3. Ohio State
4. Oregon
5. Texas A&M & Miami
7. Michigan & USC
9. Tennessee
10. Auburn

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I don't trust on3's numbers, you realize those are based on speculation and not fact, right?

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I agree but look at their recruiting right now. Do you think top players all around the country are going to Tech for the beaches?

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Umm 247 has them at number 18 in the recruiting rankings for this upcoming class. Where are you getting your info?

https://247sports.com/season/2026-football/compositeteamrankings/

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Who is below Tech at 19? Now compare their portal classes. Tech is number 2 behind only LSU. Penn St is 41.

To put that in context, in 2025 Tech added 13 four star portal players, PSU added 3. That is a material difference if you are a coach weighing the comparative advantages of PSU vs Tech.

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You're the one saying Tech is this elite recruiting monster and it's not even close to true. Their 2025 class was rated 51st! (Penn state was 15). Obviously Tech is just spending all of their money in the transfer portal and not focusing on high school recruiting. That's just a preference in philosophy, and I don't think it's sustainable personally

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You are dedicated to this argument but the data is not on your side.

My argument was that Tech has more NIL money than PSU and many other former schools that considered themselves "Blue Bloods". Tech is on a tear in NIL spending. You claimed the "On-Three" rank was questionable but didn't explain how tech jumped from 51 in 2025 to 18 in 2026. And finished second in the country in portal additions last year and PSU finished 41. Did PSU finish 39 spots below Tech because they outspent Tech. I predict Tech is just getting started and teams like PSU won't be able to catch up in spending.

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You must have a Tech connection or something, your argument doesn't even make sense anymore. This conversation isn't about Tech vs Penn State anymore…you basically argued that Tech is now one of the best jobs in the country even over schools like A&M and Texas. You are hanging your hat on one portal class and that's it, their current recruiting is 18 and you're talking about them like they have the number one class. So they decided to go all in on a portal class, Ole Miss did the same thing last year and got nothing from it

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By the way, I didn't say any of that stuff you are suggesting. Feel free to scroll back and look at my original posts. I simply said Tech was a better job than PSU and I gave several reasons why I think that way. One reason I listed is the Tech has more money than PSU to spend on football. I asked anyone to give me reasons why PSU was a better job and the only reply was silly stuff about pageantry and that PSU has more money an argument that doesn't seem to hold water.