as far as tech..... McGuire makes about $4.5 mil per year, far from top money.

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Penn St. knows that a bunch of their talent is likely hitting the portal regardless, so gettig Franklin out and a new coach on board as early as possibly may stop some of the bleeding

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are they going to get a new coach on board before thanksgiving? doubtful.

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as far as tech..... McGuire makes about $4.5 mil per year, far from top money.

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What?!?!? I was told that no one comes close to spending what Tech does on football!

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Penn St. knows that a bunch of their talent is likely hitting the portal regardless, so gettig Franklin out and a new coach on board as early as possibly may stop some of the bleeding

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are they going to get a new coach on board before thanksgiving? doubtful.

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They could certainly have a verbal agreement in place before then and make the announcement literally the morning after the last game of the season (assuming it's not a coach in the playoffs)

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They could certainly have a verbal agreement in place before then and make the announcement literally the morning after the last game of the season (assuming it's not a coach in the playoffs)

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lets assume that happens.

how does that stop the bleeding of transfers? they aren't going to tell the players a month before the official announcement.

In reply to HoustonAg2106 I know. But that's no different than if they fired Napier at the end of the year.

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I know. But that's no different than if they fired Napier at the end of the year.

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Yes it is because they wouldn't have had months to get their coach lined up to announce the day after the last game. If they wait until the last game to begin the search they probably won't make a hire for a few weeks. Plus the best coaches might have been hired by others like Penn State.

It's the same reason we fired Jimbo mid season, that LSU fired O mid season, USC fired their coach mid season when they hired Lincoln Riley....and many many others.

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you've added an element to this.

of course they can't wait to look. no one said they did. you think they don't already have their target in mind?

coaching searches routinely start before the person is actually fired.


the reason they fire coaches early is to prevent any conflict of interest with an agent. its not to "stop the bleeding" because whether Napier is fired Oct. 19 or Nov. 23 does not change that the new coach has 2 weeks once he is named to prevent the transfers.

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If they wait until the last game to begin the search

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you've added an element to this.

of course they can't wait to look. no one said they did. you think they don't already have their target in mind?

coaching searches routinely start before the person is actually fired.


the reason they fire coaches early is to prevent any conflict of interest with an agent. its not to "stop the bleeding" because whether Napier is fired Oct. 19 or Nov. 23 does not change that the new coach has 2 weeks once he is named to prevent the transfers.

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Sure they might have people in mind before they fire the coach, but they don't start having actual conversations with agents and current head coaches until after they fire their coach (unless they are snakes like schlossnagle).

What if they fire Napier the day after the last game in November and then they that is when they call the agent/coach at the top of their list (assuming they haven't already been hired by others that fired their coach months ago which is also a major factor here) and they get turned down? What if the next one turns them down? Now you are getting farther down the list and are wasting time before the transfer portal is about to open (it opens on 12/9).

In reply to HoustonAg2106 Exactly!

Its about getting negotiations going with the new coach.

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Dan Mullen is the UNLV head coach, and he was Billy Napier's predecessor from 2018 to 2021. Florida fired Mullen after a 5-6 (2-6 SEC) record with one regular season game left in his 4th season.

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had no idea!

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How to you forget the alleged fishing photo.

Portal opening once coach has been relieved has changed.

New rule... Portal open for a team once new coaching has been announced.

Not sure how the new rule will affect but now, firing from now will not open up the portal...

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Exactly!

Its about getting negotiations going with the new coach.

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So we're saying the same thing?

Franklin got fired for essentially the same reason we fired RC. He had won a bunch of games and overall was very successful. But he always lost a couple of games every year that would have made us champions. Plus RC lost almost every bowl game. Everyone could see the drop in wins coming just like PSU. It was time for us to change our coach and it was time to let Frankiln go.

We just didn't hire good coaches after RC or put enough funds into our facilities.

If RC was favored to win, he generally won.

But if we were underdogs, rarely did we get a win. That is one reason the 98 big12 championship was a big deal. I think we were 15 pt underdogs.

With the addition to Mack brown and stoops, everyone could see the direction we were heading.

I'm sure penn state felt the same. But one year from the final four still seems a bit knee jerk. Getting the right coach will make them look smart. Curious to see how it plays out

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As great as this looks in written form, it's not 100% accurate. In 1994 we were on probation with no TV appearances thanks to the sips' lap-dog sic-em bunch, the Dallas Morning News. Our game against those f-ers was moved from its usual Thanksgiving slot to early November.

Florida should look at getting Franklin. They can pay him cheap while he continues to get payment from Penn State and the level of consistency he brings might be what they need, even if it means they won't win the big ones

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Exactly!

Its about getting negotiations going with the new coach.

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Maybe but going back to my post and your response, I don't think "discussions" or "agreements in principle" are ever kept under wraps. They get leaked and the team rumored to be losing their coach gets distracted, the coach is answering post game questions and the team maybe drops a game or two. Looking back I respect DeBoer for refusing to enter into any conversations until UW's season was over. It worked out for him and his team. If every coach would do the same, the need to fire coaches mid season might not be as great.

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Exactly!

Its about getting negotiations going with the new coach.

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So we're saying the same thing?

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Maybe but going back to my post and your response, I don't think "discussions" or "agreements in principle" are ever kept under wraps. They get leaked and the team rumored to be losing their coach gets distracted, the coach is answering post game questions and the team maybe drops a game or two. Looking back I respect DeBoer for refusing to enter into any conversations until UW's season was over. It worked out for him and his team. If every coach would do the same, the need to fire coaches mid season might not be as great.

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I suspect he "refused to enter any discussions" because his agent already had a tentative deal worked out with Bama.

Cignetti is off the board

Curt Cignetti locks in a new deal with Indiana averaging $11.6 million per year.

Very cool to see the Hoosiers are all-in on sustaining this success. https://t.co/sqNBtuDgfi

— Max Olson (@max_olson) October 16, 2025

8 Years / $93M. I guess IU has some serious NIL money for top players because that's the only way he's gonna keep his job. But, then again, I'd let myself get fired with that buyout.

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8 Years / $93M. I guess IU has some serious NIL money for top players because that's the only way he's gonna keep his job. But, then again, I'd let myself get fired with that buyout.

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It's really just a one year extension with a $3.6 million raise.

First contract was 6 years, $4 million per, took him through the 2029 season.

They extended him during the bye week last November after he beat Michigan to go 10-0 to November of 2032, so it was a 2-year extension. Bumped his pay to $8 million per year, doubling the original deal.

This new deal takes him through 2033, so a one year extension, but bumps his pay to $11.6 million, so a $3.6 million raise.

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There is no known or unknown universe in which Texas Technical is a better job than Penn State. What's next, you are going to say Baylor is a better job than Michigan or Notre Dame?!? This coming from a junior level fan of Tech (due to family) who goes to a game there every few years.

Franklin was deservedly canned after the UCLA and NW losses. He just hasn't and isn't getting it done vs ranked teams and now unranked teams.

As for Billy Napier and F, with the way they finished last season after the injury bug and the schedule this year, I think it would be fair to wait until mid November to see how it plays out, maybe all the way until after last game vs FSU.

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Ok name one reason PSU is a better job than Tech. Coaches are looking for.

1) Salary (PSU can't pay more than Tech for a coach)
2) NIL (PSU does not have more NIL money than Tech)
3) Facilities (PSU does not have better facilities than Tech)
4) Path to a national championship. Tech will always have an easier path.
5) Recruiting base is better in Texas although the Tech NIL money makes that irrelevant.


You are so insulted by my claim that Tech is a better job than PSU but you have not listed a single reason why PSU is better.

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I understand that the big money donors are pissed that they got no ROI on all the money they dumped in to the program, but the Franklin firing reeks of a premature temper tantrum. 99% of the programs in the country would kill for Franklin's success. Yes he was 0-fer in big games, but who is out there that can just come in and plug and play and get them over that hump? We got lucky with Elko (assuming this season continues to go well), but for every Elko, there are ten Napier's, Mullin's, Rich Rodriguez's, Pittman's, etc that flame out and set you back even worse.

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Dude, this season is done for Penn State. If you keep Franklin, how do you recruit/buy top talent to come in next year and subsequent years if you keep ****ting the bed? What makes you think its gonna be different next year? The fans are tired of the Outback Bowl or whatever. Its business. Franklin has a track record, a history of always coming up short and was shown the door with a $49M parting gift.

Why do the Ags always changes coaches every 5-6 years? Because we invest heavily and haven't seen results. Texas 8&4 came about for a reason. Why did we ****can Jimbo? The writing was on the wall with him and we had to change the narrative.

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You're right about A&M, but Franklin's results are way better than 8-5. As far as coming up short, what coaches have had a better record in those types of games?

Saban? Sure. Replicate that.

Day? Yeah, except he hasn't been able to beat Michigan consistently and allegedly his job is/was on the line after last year's game.

Harbaugh? To some extent, but see Day. Also, we KNOW how he did it and PSU has gotten into enough trouble this millenium.

Lanning and DeBoer? Maybe, but neither have won a title and both have lost games they supposedly should have won.

With these last 4, even their success has been tempered.

Who else?

Picking out weaknesses in coaches is easy. ANYONE can do that. Figuring out how to fix them is the real issue. I have to admit that I've been a little short-sighted in that area myself. But make no mistake: there's a HUGE difference between being stuck in/on an 8-win rut and winning 11+ games without winning a championship. In the former situation, you're on a treadmill going nowhere; in the latter, you're in a position where if a couple of games go right or if a season's schedule is beneficial, suddenly you find yourself playing for a title.

NONE of the people mentioned above are interested in the Penn State job. Thus, they're going to have to get someone who hasn't done what they're wanting him to do and hope for the best. When you look at that logically and wonder if keeping Franklin would have been the better alternative, you have to wonder -- especially given the $50+ million down the drain.

Billy Napier YOU are Arkansas' next head coach!

UF waited so long because they owe him x amount within 30 days…

Much like we did with Jimbo, it takes time to put all the assets into one place and sell them off so you have the cash on hand.

You fire coaches like this now, because the portal opens up for players to transfer now, and all the teams have full scholarships. It's as much a portal play as it is a money problem. Especially if you think the brink truck will lock lane K down (and I wouldn't be surprised if Urban makes a return if lane turns the job down and wait out for the LSU job)

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if tech is a better job than penn state, then why did it have to settle for Joey Mcguire as coach?

I think he is doing a great job there, but if tech is better than penn state, why didn't it have its choice of coaches?

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Joey McGuire is an excellent coach. Who would you prefer. James Franklin?

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if tech is a better job than penn state, then why did it have to settle for Joey Mcguire as coach?

I think he is doing a great job there, but if tech is better than penn state, why didn't it have its choice of coaches?

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Joey McGuire is an excellent coach. Who would you prefer. James Franklin?

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Where you were ranked fourth weeks ago doesn't mean a damn thing today. Penn State boosters went all-in on NIL, paid the veterans to return, and paid Jim Knowles to come over and run their defense. They followed the Ohio State model, and tried to buy a championship, which is what you want them to do. Their reward was another choke in a big game vs Oregon, losing to the worst team in the nation working under an interim coach in UCLA, and then losing to Northwestern to go 0-3 in the B1G. Far from playing for or winning a national title, they're out of the playoff before second week of October, and winless in conference play.

After over a decade of falling short and always choking in the big games, their boosters have had enough. This is pro football, your job is to produce. You don't produce, you're fired. Get someone else in here who can.

Some of y'all are in denial about the reality of this business now.

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The road to buying a championship is fraught with peril, as we learned with the Jimbo contract and the "number 1" class going bust.

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Yea well you have to go all the way back to last year to prove you CAN buy a national title.

In reply to Backyard Gator This is idiotic. Tech currently spends more on NIL than just about every SEC team.


According to this poll, only one SEC team spends more than Tech. I don't see PSU anywhere on this list and they may have seriously put a dent in their existing pool of money.

Top Spenders in College Football (According to On3 Poll):
1. Texas Longhorns
2. Texas Tech
3. Ohio State
4. Oregon
5. Texas A&M & Miami
7. Michigan & USC
9. Tennessee
10. Auburn

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Florida should look at getting Franklin. They can pay him cheap while he continues to get payment from Penn State and the level of consistency he brings might be what they need, even if it means they won't win the big ones

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Do you really think Florida's main concern after their last several disastrous coaching hires is "Getting Someone Cheap?" Napier buyout is way cheaper than Franklin's. PSU should be the one looking for a bargain.

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This is idiotic. Tech currently spends more on NIL than just about every SEC team.


According to this poll, only one SEC team spends more than Tech. I don't see PSU anywhere on this list and they may have seriously put a dent in their existing pool of money.

Top Spenders in College Football (According to On3 Poll):
1. Texas Longhorns
2. Texas Tech
3. Ohio State
4. Oregon
5. Texas A&M & Miami
7. Michigan & USC
9. Tennessee
10. Auburn

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I don't trust on3's numbers, you realize those are based on speculation and not fact, right?

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My question is, what are the top coaches out there that you would want to replace him with. There's not many names of stud coaches that are looking for placement. Matt rule is average.
John Gruden has never coached college
Indiana's coach would not leave for Florida, may leave for Penn State
But who else is out there that is worth going after.

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Penn State is about to find out the hard way they aren't as big a job as they thought they were. If they whiff on Rhule they aren't getting any of the big time coaches everyone is talking about. People don't seem to understand that Texas Tech is a better job than Penn State for example.

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By what measure is Tech a better job?

Do people really not remember that Penn State was a play away from the national championship last year? And the previous two years before that went 10-2 in the regular season? This isn't about Penn State not being able to compete and keep up with the times. Franklin absolutely choked the last 2 weeks against far inferior competition, but that doesn't diminish what the job is overall. It's actually pretty crazy to fire a guy who had the level of success he has had the previous 3 years (if Elko has a 3 year run like that we will be building a statue). Sure it's not an elite top 5 type of job, but it's certainly in that next tier.

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I'll list the virtues of the Tech job

1) will not get outspent by anyone on facilities, coaching staff or NIL
2) is in the state of Texas
3) is in the B12 and has an insurmountable advantage over every other team in the conference. Will probably have an auto bid to playoffs going forward.


Play away for a national championship. If we could get trophies made for this we would have a couple natties in our trophy case.

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So you're basically saying it's a better job than A&M and Texas too?

And when were we a play away from a national championship?

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Right now Tech is spending more on NIL than A&M and they have a WAY easier path to a natty so in some significant ways Tech is a better job than A&M. Now you do have to live in Lubbock so it's not all roses and fairytales.

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This is idiotic. Tech currently spends more on NIL than just about every SEC team.


According to this poll, only one SEC team spends more than Tech. I don't see PSU anywhere on this list and they may have seriously put a dent in their existing pool of money.

Top Spenders in College Football (According to On3 Poll):
1. Texas Longhorns
2. Texas Tech
3. Ohio State
4. Oregon
5. Texas A&M & Miami
7. Michigan & USC
9. Tennessee
10. Auburn

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I don't trust on3's numbers, you realize those are based on speculation and not fact, right?

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I agree but look at their recruiting right now. Do you think top players all around the country are going to Tech for the beaches? Go look at Tech's recruiting classes compared to PSU and Florida and explain to me that it's McGuire charm alone getting those players.