*** 2025 NBA Off-season thread ***

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M.C. Swag said:



Lol next logic point

I can't imagine that Myles Turner really likes that his announcement that he has signed is immediately followed with the announcement that Dame has been waived to make room for Turner.


Also, these guys picking up paychecks for not playing is a good reminder that today is a special day.

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M.C. Swag said:

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WHAT?! They're gonna be paying Lillard $20+m/yr for the next 5 years NOT to play

That's cap sheet malpractice


He's 35. How well do you think he comes back from the torn Achilles?

The malpractice was trading Jrue, Grayson and 3 first for him at his age.
The Achilles injury was bad luck but you can't compound 1 bad decision with another. Stretch waiving $107m contract....i mean the bucks are cooked. That's 15% of your cap space lit on fire for the next half decade. He'd have been an expiring contract next year, someone would take his money.


I think they're trying to do everything they can to keep Giannis.
Clearly. But this is such a short sighted move. If the options are 'stretch Dame/keep Giannis' or 'trade giannis' - it's a tough decision but the rational thing to do is trade Giannis. They just committed themselves to $23m/yr of nothing for what? Myles Turner? A 5th seed in the East at best?

This is a move a GM makes who knows they don't have job security. It's so so so bad.


I don't disagree with you, but not everyone is willing to be Nico Harrison and trade the face of the franchise in their prime.
The difference is Luka never threatened to leave. Nico made the dumb choice of shipping out a 26 yr old who never wanted to go.

Either way, it seems like Giannis DID NOT threaten to leave in order to waive Dame so this makes even less sense.


I'm aware that the circumstances are very different, but it's still hard to be the guy that traded the franchise star. Even if he's demanding a trade, then you have to deal with the cries of "why didn't you do more to keep him here". It's a tough spot to be in.
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West Texan said:

M.C. Swag said:

West Texan said:

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WHAT?! They're gonna be paying Lillard $20+m/yr for the next 5 years NOT to play

That's cap sheet malpractice


He's 35. How well do you think he comes back from the torn Achilles?

The malpractice was trading Jrue, Grayson and 3 first for him at his age.
The Achilles injury was bad luck but you can't compound 1 bad decision with another. Stretch waiving $107m contract....i mean the bucks are cooked. That's 15% of your cap space lit on fire for the next half decade. He'd have been an expiring contract next year, someone would take his money.


I think they're trying to do everything they can to keep Giannis.
Clearly. But this is such a short sighted move. If the options are 'stretch Dame/keep Giannis' or 'trade giannis' - it's a tough decision but the rational thing to do is trade Giannis. They just committed themselves to $23m/yr of nothing for what? Myles Turner? A 5th seed in the East at best?

This is a move a GM makes who knows they don't have job security. It's so so so bad.


I don't disagree with you, but not everyone is willing to be Nico Harrison and trade the face of the franchise in their prime.
The difference is Luka never threatened to leave. Nico made the dumb choice of shipping out a 26 yr old who never wanted to go.

Either way, it seems like Giannis DID NOT threaten to leave in order to waive Dame so this makes even less sense.


I'm aware that the circumstances are very different, but it's still hard to be the guy that traded the franchise star. Even if he's demanding a trade, then you have to deal with the cries of "why didn't you do more to keep him here". It's a tough spot to be in.
For sure, but the 'short term' decision to waive Lillard reeks of a move only a desperate GM makes (not one secure in their position and certainly not a GM that thinks they'll be around to face the long term consequences of that decision).
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I cannot state how much of a death blow this will be for the Bucks. They already traded all their FRPs (outright or swapped) until 2031. So not only do they not have any draft picks to fall back on, they now have no cap space to use to absorb toxic contracts for picks in the case Giannis leaves. They are literally ALL IN on this version of the Bucks and Giannis has a player option in '27.
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Interesting thing is that Atlanta has Milwaukee's next two draft picks because of two different traits with the pelicans.

Could they get a deal done around Jalen Johnson and Milwaukee's pics plus whatever other draft Capital they have for Giannis?
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This is trading for Bradley Beal level of bad decision.

Wow
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I know it's easy to point and laugh when guys who make millions of dollars somehow end up in debt, but this detail from the article you linked caught my attention and almost makes me feel bad for the guy. How is this still a thing in 2025? Seems like the NBA and players' union would have guidelines/training that specifically tell players not to work with companies like this:
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The lawsuit was filed in a federal court in New York more than three years after a company that specializes in loaning money to professional athletes won a nearly $5.8 million judgment against Beasley in Maryland, court records show. The company, South River Capital, LLC, has loaned more than $250 million to athletes in recent years.

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"It is very common for professional athletes to go to third-party lenders and get advances on contracts. It's a part of the business of professional sports," Haney told The News. "Many of these lenders are predatory and charge extremely high interest rates and outrageous fees that border on usury."
Almost one year ago, in August, Beasley signed a deal with a Florida firm that provides bridge loans to pro athletes. As collateral, Beasley pledged his current and future NBA contracts, according to a copy of the financing statement obtained by The News.


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Inspired by the shrew moves of Milwaukee, Phoenix ready to buy out Bradley Beal.

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At this time, Beal is not able to be stretched. Walls best play seems to be to try to get into shape and at least build up a buyout market as I can't imagine any scenario that a team is trading for him unless he drops his no trade clause.

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That is a lot of money for a guy that has only received MVP votes in 1 of 10 NBA seasons he has played. He has never had a 1st place vote.
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That should help Ishbia and the Suns break out of their funk and financial woes.
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I would have gone with Milwaukee.

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Oh no baby, whatchu doin?
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M.C. Swag
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Meh future problem. Dame is out all of next year anyways. Jrue can and will likely be moved before Dame is ready to play.
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I wouldn't want Jrue 's contract at all at his age and production.
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Ya maybe, but next summer? Or trade deadline '27? There's worse options than getting an expiring Jrue Holiday who by all accounts is a pros pro.

Just think it's silly to fret about backcourt fit when Dame is literally not playing a second next season.
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I'm not worried about fit, I'm worried about cost of Jrue and Dame, both being over 35, and Dame coming off an Achilles rupture.

If those two can develop Scoot, then it's all worth it.

I love Jrue, but would want nothing to do with paying him 20% of the cap
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I understand that but I'm saying it's silly to worry (as the original tweet was) about fit. Wasn't talking about contracts. Just the idea that '26-'27 is something worth worrying about in July 2025.
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J.P. 03 said:

I know it's easy to point and laugh when guys who make millions of dollars somehow end up in debt, but this detail from the article you linked caught my attention and almost makes me feel bad for the guy. How is this still a thing in 2025? Seems like the NBA and players' union would have guidelines/training that specifically tell players not to work with companies like this:
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The lawsuit was filed in a federal court in New York more than three years after a company that specializes in loaning money to professional athletes won a nearly $5.8 million judgment against Beasley in Maryland, court records show. The company, South River Capital, LLC, has loaned more than $250 million to athletes in recent years.

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"It is very common for professional athletes to go to third-party lenders and get advances on contracts. It's a part of the business of professional sports," Haney told The News. "Many of these lenders are predatory and charge extremely high interest rates and outrageous fees that border on usury."
Almost one year ago, in August, Beasley signed a deal with a Florida firm that provides bridge loans to pro athletes. As collateral, Beasley pledged his current and future NBA contracts, according to a copy of the financing statement obtained by The News.




I know I'm two weeks behind on this comment, but I have a friend that made it to the NFL as a first round pick a while back, and we talked on this topic for a while over beers one night.

I believe the NBA has an option for players to take their salary bi-weekly (like the rest of us), but in the NFL, they still got paid "game checks".

That means, you take a 22 year old kid who doesn't know jack about finances, they get drafted in April, maybe get a signing bonus when they sign their contract, but then they get their first paycheck after the first game in September. They then get 18 weeks in a row of a giant paycheck. (they spend a ton of it on cars, houses, jewelry, etc. because they are 22 and most of the time have never had real money in their life) and then after that they don't get a paycheck for the next 34 weeks in a row. It's insane.

He said a lot of guys are told about the fact that they are paid that way, but don't really get it. They get used to that $500k check every week and they spend a bunch of it. In reality, they need to save 80% of each of their paycheck so that they can cover bills in the offseason.
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That's hilarious. 44/35 shooter on bad teams and misses lots of games with worse defense than Trae Young.

I think he thought he would get 25-30M a year and no one really wants to pay him more than 15.
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Gonna be a massive bust
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Love that Thomas is dumb enough to engage on this. Also, yes teams double team him... because his BBIQ is so low he's unable to make the right move and help his TEAM take advantage of the attention he gets.

3.8 assists a game is terrible for a guy with the usage rate he has.
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Lakers get their DFS replacement
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At a much better price too.
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"Win"

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In such important matters, I think it is wise to contact Centel

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Former Rocket


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