gambochaman said:

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Ag_07 said:

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gambochaman said:

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Yep
Absolutely gutless

They simply dont give a flying ****

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I highly doubt they don't give a F. I don't think this team is full of guys who enjoy losing and don't care that they're missing the playoffs.

Some of y'all need to realize they're just not good enough. They don't have the talent and skills needed.

It's not a matter of caring. It's a matter of doing. They care. They just can't do it.

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I think its more of a manager that is way over his head and incapable of getting his teams to perform when it matters. You cannot tell me that Peña, Altuve, Alvarez, Correa, etc are 'not good enough'

they have demonstrated they can be good enough


I mean lets take the mariners...is their roster that much different than the last couple of years? What was the biggest change for them this season?

Hint - it starts with ahole and ends with Servais

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Their is a reason many people didn't pick the astros to win the division when the season started. It is in fact true what 07 said. This teams was simply not good enough to get in. Especially considering the injury problems. It bit the team hard. Them missing the playoffs isn't on Joe. Although, I will say I'm not sold on him being the manager.

gambochaman said:

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Ag_07 said:

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gambochaman said:

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Yep
Absolutely gutless

They simply dont give a flying ****

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I highly doubt they don't give a F. I don't think this team is full of guys who enjoy losing and don't care that they're missing the playoffs.

Some of y'all need to realize they're just not good enough. They don't have the talent and skills needed.

It's not a matter of caring. It's a matter of doing. They care. They just can't do it.

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I think its more of a manager that is way over his head and incapable of getting his teams to perform when it matters. You cannot tell me that Peña, Altuve, Alvarez, Correa, etc are 'not good enough'

they have demonstrated they can be good enough


I mean lets take the mariners...is their roster that much different than the last couple of years? What was the biggest change for them this season?

Hint - it starts with ahole and ends with Servais

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They fired their "offensive coordinator" first a few months before Servais. Reports said they weren't catering gameplans for individual batters i.e. everyone was getting the same info dump. I would be absolutely shocked if that's not what is going on here given the fact everyone in the lineup from top to bottom is synced in their ineptitudes.

gambochaman said:

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Ag_07 said:

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gambochaman said:

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Yep
Absolutely gutless

They simply dont give a flying ****

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I highly doubt they don't give a F. I don't think this team is full of guys who enjoy losing and don't care that they're missing the playoffs.

Some of y'all need to realize they're just not good enough. They don't have the talent and skills needed.

It's not a matter of caring. It's a matter of doing. They care. They just can't do it.

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I think its more of a manager that is way over his head and incapable of getting his teams to perform when it matters. You cannot tell me that Peña, Altuve, Alvarez, Correa, etc are 'not good enough'

they have demonstrated they can be good enough


I mean lets take the mariners...is their roster that much different than the last couple of years? What was the biggest change for them this season?

Hint - it starts with ahole and ends with Servais

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not much change, but guys stepped up and improved and had great years. The past doesn't matter in the present.

As the Astros’ collapse continues, an unproductive trade deadline looms large https://t.co/YtleLORSaV

— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) September 24, 2025

Seattle added a crap ton of production (what 100 HRs and 200 RBIs between Naylor and Suarez) at the deadline. They finally have a offense to match their stud rotation.

The Mariner's are an incredibly talented and a legit WS contending team. The pitch and hit really well.

The Astros are not and do not.

Yes but there's a difference between trying and being bad and purposely making your team worse for the future. That tells the players that management isn't committed to winning right now. Say what you will about this year but I guarantee they think Crane is committed to winning.

MaxPower said:

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Yes but there's a difference between trying and being bad and purposely making your team worse for the future. That tells the players that management isn't committed to winning right now. Say what you will about this year but I guarantee they think Crane is committed to winning.

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Completely understand what you're saying. I'm all for it if Crane is willing to spend the money to get players here to win now. But is that even possible? I just don't see it. So, we're left with a team that will not compete for a WS and may not even make the playoffs again next year. I'm in the camp that wants to rip the band-aid and start the rebuild now. If players like CC, Altuve, and Hader don't like it then so be it. We have some key pieces that would bring in a massive amount of young talent - particularly Yordan, Pena and HB.

So Severino has been notoriously bad at home this season 1-9 with a 6.5 ERA

Something tells me with his time on the Yankees from 2015-2023 we won't be getting "I'm quiet quitting in this minor league park" Severino tonight

AustinCountyAg said:

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gambochaman said:

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Ag_07 said:

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gambochaman said:

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Yep
Absolutely gutless

They simply dont give a flying ****

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I highly doubt they don't give a F. I don't think this team is full of guys who enjoy losing and don't care that they're missing the playoffs.

Some of y'all need to realize they're just not good enough. They don't have the talent and skills needed.

It's not a matter of caring. It's a matter of doing. They care. They just can't do it.

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I think its more of a manager that is way over his head and incapable of getting his teams to perform when it matters. You cannot tell me that Peña, Altuve, Alvarez, Correa, etc are 'not good enough'

they have demonstrated they can be good enough


I mean lets take the mariners...is their roster that much different than the last couple of years? What was the biggest change for them this season?

Hint - it starts with ahole and ends with Servais

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not much change, but guys stepped up and improved and had great years. The past doesn't matter in the present.

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They added Naylor and Suarez to their offense at the trade deadline. We added Jesus Sanchez and Urias along with Correa. Mariners have also avoided the injury bug.

Boiling Denim said:

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So Severino has been notoriously bad at home this season 1-9 with a 6.5 ERA

Something tells me with his time on the Yankees from 2015-2023 we won't be getting "I'm quiet quitting in this minor league park" Severino tonight

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As long as there's no wind...

Three things that need to happen, but I doubt they will.

1. Headcase is not given a QO, and gets picked up on the cheap.
2. Joe gotta go
3. Take Cintron, Snitker, and Perezchicka with him.

Bonus - Go hire Hinch away from Detroit.

Boiling Denim said:

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So Severino has been notoriously bad at home this season 1-9 with a 6.5 ERA

Something tells me with his time on the Yankees from 2015-2023 we won't be getting "I'm quiet quitting in this minor league park" Severino tonight

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6.5 ERA? We are not getting more than 2 hits off of him.

With the bases loaded in a one run game with playoff implications, umpire Scott Barry robbed George Springer of a go-ahead double on a bad foul ball call.

The very next pitch. umpire Doug Eddings rang up Springer on a pitch well off the plate to end the inning.

The Blue Jays… pic.twitter.com/HmBxtxV0zm

— Umpire Auditor (@UmpireAuditor) September 24, 2025

George was pissed

The worst thing the Astros can do this winter is chalk up this lousy finish to the season to a bunch of injuries. That's certainly part of it, but it's not all of it, and if they will have learned nothing if they just assume they'll be better in 2026 because they'll be healthier

— Adam Spolane (@AdamSpolane) September 24, 2025

I'm sure we'll have several guys playing in the WBC as well in March which will present even more risk for injuries. I know how big of a deal it is to the players, but I mainly have concern about Paredes and his hamstring.

I can get behind the injuries costing you the division but missing the playoffs all together is going to be a different story.

No excuse for that.

EastCoastAgNc said:

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The worst thing the Astros can do this winter is chalk up this lousy finish to the season to a bunch of injuries. That's certainly part of it, but it's not all of it, and if they will have learned nothing if they just assume they'll be better in 2026 because they'll be healthier

— Adam Spolane (@AdamSpolane) September 24, 2025

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Part of the error might just be the assumption that this tissue soft group will in fact be healthier next year. I am concerned that some of these guys just don't seem to be willing to play through the minor things that come with playing a full MLB season. Obviously the guys out getting surgery or major treatment for muscle or ligament damage are not who I am talking about, but Pena missing multiple critical games for "oblique discomfort" seems pretty weak. Choke up a bit, quit trying to reach out and pull outside pitches into the Crawford boxes, and you will be fine buttercup.

pic.twitter.com/iyh1Q7oaF3

— AstrosBaseball (@ThatIsHimmm) September 24, 2025

EastCoastAgNc said:

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With the bases loaded in a one run game with playoff implications, umpire Scott Barry robbed George Springer of a go-ahead double on a bad foul ball call.

The very next pitch. umpire Doug Eddings rang up Springer on a pitch well off the plate to end the inning.

The Blue Jays… pic.twitter.com/HmBxtxV0zm

— Umpire Auditor (@UmpireAuditor) September 24, 2025

George was pissed

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I'm sure this has been discussed or said before but what is the actual procedure for grading umpires?

Are they given reports on how well/poorly they worked their spots? I'm sure those reports aren't made public but are there punishments or relegations issued if performance is consistently poor?

bodaciousbood14 said:

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I'm sure this has been discussed or said before but what is the actual procedure for grading umpires?

Are they given reports on how well/poorly they worked their spots? I'm sure those reports aren't made public but are there punishments or relegations issued if performance is consistently poor?

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Angel Hernandez just choked on his cocktail laughing...

Boiling Denim said:

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So Severino has been notoriously bad at home this season 1-9 with a 6.5 ERA

Something tells me with his time on the Yankees from 2015-2023 we won't be getting "I'm quiet quitting in this minor league park" Severino tonight

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Vs Houston this year:

5/28: @ Hou - 6.0 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 0 HR, 2 BB, 4 K - 92 P - ND - 3-5 Loss
6/18: Hou - 5.0 IP, 9 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 HR, 1 BB, 5 K - 97 P - L - 4-11 Loss
7/24: @ Hou - 7.0 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 0 HR, 0 B, 8 K - 91 P - 5-2 Win

Even though the Astros won 2 of 3 of those games, Severino and his 7-11 record, 4.72 ERA, and 1.33 WHIP has basically dominated this team. His "worst" game was in Sacramento however.

AustinCountyAg said:

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gambochaman said:

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Ag_07 said:

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gambochaman said:

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Yep
Absolutely gutless

They simply dont give a flying ****

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I highly doubt they don't give a F. I don't think this team is full of guys who enjoy losing and don't care that they're missing the playoffs.

Some of y'all need to realize they're just not good enough. They don't have the talent and skills needed.

It's not a matter of caring. It's a matter of doing. They care. They just can't do it.

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I think its more of a manager that is way over his head and incapable of getting his teams to perform when it matters. You cannot tell me that Peña, Altuve, Alvarez, Correa, etc are 'not good enough'

they have demonstrated they can be good enough


I mean lets take the mariners...is their roster that much different than the last couple of years? What was the biggest change for them this season?

Hint - it starts with ahole and ends with Servais

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not much change, but guys stepped up and improved and had great years. The past doesn't matter in the present.

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They also got a huge change and thats a different manager that was able to get his players to play up to their potential



Something Joe has been completely incapable of doing

The mariners, as we've said on here always felt like they were one or two offensive pieces away. Especially given their great, young rotation

They got a piece from within in Raleigh making an insane jump, got Arozerena last year, had internal improvement and then got two big bats at the deadline.

Where we differ is guys can't stay healthy or recover on time, and guys you thought would take the next step (Yainer and Jake to an extent with the lack of power) haven't yet.

I'm sure there is a good bit of naitevete in my wants for a new manager, but I'll list them anyways.

1. Someone who has won a World Series or managed 1+
2. Someone who will bench players who suck or don't give effort or show detrimental behavior - FRAMBER.
3. Someone who will tell Altuve if he can't shore up the baserunning gaffes, his playing time will be reduced.
4. Someone who understands the hierarchy of a clubhouse and will immediately make a few guys into captains - I'd say Altuve, Pena, Correa, and Hader - and define with those guys who the Astros are going forward in 2026 in terms of mindset and team play.

5. A manager and hitting coach who demands guys work the count. Refusing to work the count is the #1 problem this team has in my book. They've turned themselves into singles hitters because when they do get hits, they're hitting balls the pitchers want them to hit - the ones that a pitcher knows they can't drive or pull. Thus so many instances of 1st and 2nd with no outs becomes no runs because nobody is patient.

6. A manager that stresses the running game and defends against the running games. There's no reason Pena, Cam and Jake - if all healthy - shouldn't have 80 stolen bases between them next year. And just allowing the other team to take extra bases is just so vexing. It's like what if a team says - well our outfielders have terrible arms, so every single will just be a double.

Please post on Indeed.com post haste.

EastCoastAgNc said:

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With the bases loaded in a one run game with playoff implications, umpire Scott Barry robbed George Springer of a go-ahead double on a bad foul ball call.

The very next pitch. umpire Doug Eddings rang up Springer on a pitch well off the plate to end the inning.

The Blue Jays… pic.twitter.com/HmBxtxV0zm

— Umpire Auditor (@UmpireAuditor) September 24, 2025

George was pissed

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George showed more competitive fight in those 2 minutes than the entire Astros roster and coaches all year.

Disgusting how these losers are just rolling over.

Drunken Overseas Bettor said:

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I'm sure there is a good bit of naitevete in my wants for a new manager, but I'll list them anyways.

1. Someone who has won a World Series or managed 1+
2. Someone who will bench players who suck or don't give effort or show detrimental behavior - FRAMBER.
3. Someone who will tell Altuve if he can't shore up the baserunning gaffes, his playing time will be reduced.
4. Someone who understands the hierarchy of a clubhouse and will immediately make a few guys into captains - I'd say Altuve, Pena, Correa, and Hader - and define with those guys who the Astros are going forward in 2026 in terms of mindset and team play.

5. A manager and hitting coach who demands guys work the count. Refusing to work the count is the #1 problem this team has in my book. They've turned themselves into singles hitters because when they do get hits, they're hitting balls the pitchers want them to hit - the ones that a pitcher knows they can't drive or pull. Thus so many instances of 1st and 2nd with no outs becomes no runs because nobody is patient.

6. A manager that stresses the running game and defends against the running games. There's no reason Pena, Cam and Jake - if all healthy - shouldn't have 80 stolen bases between them next year. And just allowing the other team to take extra bases is just so vexing. It's like what if a team says - well our outfielders have terrible arms, so every single will just be a double.

Please post on Indeed.com post haste.

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May want to be careful posting on Indeed. You may get a dusty resume.

Drunken Overseas Bettor said:

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5. A manager and hitting coach who demands guys work the count. Refusing to work the count is the #1 problem this team has in my book. They've turned themselves into singles hitters because when they do get hits, they're hitting balls the pitchers want them to hit - the ones that a pitcher knows they can't drive or pull. Thus so many instances of 1st and 2nd with no outs becomes no runs because nobody is patient.

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This x1000! It isn't just how it affects the pitches we get to hit, it also affects our own pitching when our guy throws 25+ pitches in an inning and barely gets a chance to sit down in the dugout before our hitters go 3 up/3 down in <6 pitches. Pitching is already fatiguing enough in the pitch clock/2x through the lineup at full spin/max velocity era, we don't need to make it worse by not giving guys a real chance to rest between innings.

Dusty doesn't know how to use the internets.

Now maybe if you posted in the Chronicle want ads but on the internet I think you're safe.

But honestly...I bet Dusty checks more of those bullet points DOB listed than anyone Crane interviews.

Ag_07 said:

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Dusty doesn't know how to use the internets.

Now maybe if you posted in the Chronicle want ads but on the internet I think you're safe.

But honestly...I bet Dusty checks more of those bullet points DOB listed than anyone Crane interviews.

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I just had a really clear picture of Dusty reading the Greensheet to go to garage sales on Saturday morning.

They're not winning 5 in a row

EastCoastAgNc said:

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— AstrosBaseball (@ThatIsHimmm) September 24, 2025

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What are we supposed to see/hear here?

BadAggie said:

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They're not winning 5 in a row

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It'll be a minor miracle to win 2 in a row