Walker is gonna end up being what he's been his entire career.

A streaky 25 HR 100 RBI hitter with a propensity for swing and miss.

His RBI and I imagine his XBH numbers will be down this year but not too far off from what he's been in the past.

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Walker is gonna end up being what he's been his entire career.

A streaky 25 HR 100 RBI hitter with a propensity for swing and miss.

His RBI and I imagine his XBH numbers will be down this year but not too far off from what he's been in the past.

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I think he kind of is what he is. Streaky and provides pop every once in awhile. His numbers and metrics this year seem slightly lower than his career averages. We were expecting he is a middle of the order guy you can build your lineup around, but his overall stats show he's more of a 6th or 7th guy in the batting order.

and Correa (3B), Pena (SS), Altuve (2B), and Paredes (1B) is next year's starting infield

Walker does not play ahead of those four

His home/road splits are massive and bad.

Home OPS .626
Road OPS .766

Home HR 8
Road HR 16

Home RBI 34
Road RBI 51

He a solid better than average 1B on the road. He's really bad at home. He needs to learn to hit at home. That means not hitting to the middle 1/3 of the park. He needs to learn to hit to the Crawford boxes. But that means a faster bat.

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and Correa (3B), Pena (SS), Altuve (2B), and Paredes (1B) is next year's starting infield

Walker does not play ahead of those four

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All Dana has to do is find a suitcase of money to send him with.

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and Correa (3B), Pena (SS), Altuve (2B), and Paredes (1B) is next year's starting infield

Walker does not play ahead of those four

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What about Dubon? He has to play every day so who's sitting?

also...listening to Dana on 790 yesterday...

he's not ready to give up on Sanchez. Otherwise the Astros would go back to a very right-handed heavy lineup next season (with Caratini possibly leaving in free agency)

so Sanchez looks like the primary LF going into the offseason. Yordan at DH. Altuve at 2B

Why would anyone give up on Sanchez?

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Perfect scenario for the day: Astros win. BoSox win. Rangers win.

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Why would anyone give up on Sanchez?

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I mean… his slash line for the month of September is .100/.211/.180 with an ops of .381

So if they did get rid of him they'd be justified. I'd keep him for next year… I'm just saying they'd have an excuse not to based on his final month being one of the worst offensive months we've seen in a while

Let me try to simplify

If we go 3-0, we need 2 losses from CLE or DET or 3 losses from BOS

If we go 2-1, we need 3 losses from CLE or DET.

Remaining Schedule:
(3) Astros @ Angels
(3) Tigers @ Red Sox
(3) Rangers @ Guards

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Farmer1906 said:

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Why would anyone give up on Sanchez?

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I mean… his slash line for the month of September is .100/.211/.180 with an ops of .381

So if they did get rid of him they'd be justified. I'd keep him for next year… I'm just saying they'd have an excuse not to based on his final month being one of the worst offensive months we've seen in a while

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One bad month means you should get rid of someone in arbitration and you should ignore the previous 1700 plate appearances.

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Let me try to simplify

If we go 3-0, we need 2 losses from CLE or DET or 3 losses from BOS

If we go 2-1, we need 3 losses from CLE or DET.

Remaining Schedule:
(3) Astros @ Angels
(1) Tigers @ Guards
(3) Tigers @ Red Sox
(3) Rangers @ Guards

We should be rooting for Cleveland. If they beat the Tigers, then DET/BOS series means DET will get a 2nd loss or BOS will get 3 losses.

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Tigers and Guardians are done playing

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tjack16 said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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Why would anyone give up on Sanchez?

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I mean… his slash line for the month of September is .100/.211/.180 with an ops of .381

So if they did get rid of him they'd be justified. I'd keep him for next year… I'm just saying they'd have an excuse not to based on his final month being one of the worst offensive months we've seen in a while

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One bad month means you should get rid of someone in arbitration and you should ignore the previous 1700 plate appearances.

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Yeah Sanchez still has value

I think it's far more likely that our hitting coaches just suck and turn everyone into ass when they get here.

His defensive liability is a big concern though.

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Farmer1906 said:

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Why would anyone give up on Sanchez?

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I mean… his slash line for the month of September is .100/.211/.180 with an ops of .381

So if they did get rid of him they'd be justified. I'd keep him for next year… I'm just saying they'd have an excuse not to based on his final month being one of the worst offensive months we've seen in a while

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One bad month means you should get rid of someone in arbitration and you should ignore the previous 1700 plate appearances.

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Let's don't sugar coat this. He's been brutally bad since coming over. .191/.267/.324. Take out that 5-5 game and he loses 40 points of BA and OBA. I didn't do the math but I'll bet he loses .20 maybe .25 off his SLG.

.151/.227/.300 would be unplayable.

He seems like a great guy and I live his enthusiasm and smile. It cracks me up how he's literally a clone of Soto at the plate.

But he's been a complete bust since coming over.

Let's hope the offseason gives him a hard reset. He's got the tools to be a very good addition. I would like to see a platoon of him and Smith in RF next season.

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Farmer1906 said:

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Why would anyone give up on Sanchez?

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I mean… his slash line for the month of September is .100/.211/.180 with an ops of .381

So if they did get rid of him they'd be justified. I'd keep him for next year… I'm just saying they'd have an excuse not to based on his final month being one of the worst offensive months we've seen in a while

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One bad month means you should get rid of someone in arbitration and you should ignore the previous 1700 plate appearances.

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Notice I said I would keep him.

I think it's different if it's a new acquisition that you think you could get value for rather than somebody who has been with your organization for a long time that cost you a lot. They could choose to view him as a rental and get some prospects for him

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Farmer1906 said:

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Why would anyone give up on Sanchez?

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I mean… his slash line for the month of September is .100/.211/.180 with an ops of .381

So if they did get rid of him they'd be justified. I'd keep him for next year… I'm just saying they'd have an excuse not to based on his final month being one of the worst offensive months we've seen in a while

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If one really bad month makes you worthy of being released, well over half the players in the league would be looking for a new team by the ASB.

Baseball is very hard and this stuff happens.

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Farmer1906 said:

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Let me try to simplify

If we go 3-0, we need 2 losses from CLE or DET or 3 losses from BOS

If we go 2-1, we need 3 losses from CLE or DET.

Remaining Schedule:
(3) Astros @ Angels
(1) Tigers @ Guards
(3) Tigers @ Red Sox
(3) Rangers @ Guards

We should be rooting for Cleveland. If they beat the Tigers, then DET/BOS series means DET will get a 2nd loss or BOS will get 3 losses.

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Tigers and Guardians are done playing

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Oh why did I think they still played. my bad.

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tjack16 said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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Why would anyone give up on Sanchez?

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I mean… his slash line for the month of September is .100/.211/.180 with an ops of .381

So if they did get rid of him they'd be justified. I'd keep him for next year… I'm just saying they'd have an excuse not to based on his final month being one of the worst offensive months we've seen in a while

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If one really bad month makes you worthy of being released, well over half the players in the league would be looking for a new team by the ASB.

Baseball is very hard and this stuff happens.

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So if a team offers you two decent prospects or a decent arm for him you'd say no?

Also notice again I said I'd keep him.

Get rid of doesn't imply trading for a good return.

Need the Sox to sweep Detroit. Rangers are horrible and won't win a damn game against Cleveland.

Arizona's park is a MUCH more double and triple friendly ballpark. If you aren't taking advantage of the Crawford Boxes at home, your XBHs will be limited.

I still contend that Walker would have put up better numbers if not being put into the role of primary run producer. Plug him into a lineup with 2024 Yordan and Yanier and it's a much better fit. 2025 Yanier and missing Yordan for most of the season was a huge blow to the offense.

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Arizona's park is a MUCH more double and triple friendly ballpark. If you aren't taking advantage of the Crawford Boxes at home, your XBHs will be limited.

I still contend that Walker would have put up better numbers if not being put into the role of primary run producer. Plug him into a lineup with 2024 Yordan and Yanier and it's a much better fit. 2025 Yanier and missing Yordan for most of the season was a huge blow to the offense.

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Yes. He is a #6 hitter.

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Get rid of doesn't imply trading for a good return.

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I meant it as him not being back. I'd assume since he's under team control it would be a trade and you'd get a decent return.

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this is unfun

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Yesterday was fun. The unfun is coming.

Yep - it's important to remember that the role Walker had to play for a majority of this year wasn't the role the Astros had in mind for him when they signed him.

I hadn't realized quite how bad Sanchez has been since the trade. He's been a poor man's Dubon with the bat and glove.

.590 OPS and 63 OPS+ in 150 PAs with the Astros.
Dubon has a .659 OPS and 82 OPS+.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/HOU/2025.shtml

Walker up to 0 bWAR. It will be interesting to see if he finishes the season in negative wins above replacement territory or can stay above water. He's .1 bWAR ahead of first season Abreu.

how does war work? walker has basically the same offensive stats as last year, when he had 2.6 war

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how does war work? walker has basically the same offensive stats as last year, when he had 2.6 war

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It's a proprietary algorithm meant to capture a player's value above replacement level players.
Fangraphs and Baseball Reference are the primary measures people use for WAR, although ESPN has tried to get its version in there too.

Here's Baseball Reference's description:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/about/war_explained.shtml

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. . . The idea behind the WAR framework is that we want to know how much better a player is than a player that would typically be available to replace that player. We start by comparing the player to average in a variety of venues, then compare our theoretical replacement player to the average player and add the two results together.

There is no one way to determine WAR. There are hundreds of steps to make this calculation, and dozens of places where reasonable people can disagree on the best way to implement a particular part of the framework. We have taken the utmost care and study at each step in the process, and believe all of our choices are well reasoned and defensible. . . .

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So WAR is looking at everything (glove, baserunning, range, etc.), not just his bat.

His stats aren't as good as last season though, when he had a .803 OPS and 120 OPS+ compared to this season's .701 OPS and 93 OPS+.

So he's dropped from a pretty good bat to a below average one.
Last season his percentages were 4.7% HR (homerun), 24.1% SO (strikeout), and 10% BB (walk).
This season those numbers were all much worse: 3.8% HR, 28% SO, and 6.3% BB.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/walkech02.shtml
He's had a sharp drop off with his glove too.
Last season he had a .1 dWAR (defensive WAR) and 4 DRS (defensive runs saved).
This season he has a -1.4 dWAR and -5 DRS.

He's been worse in almost every way compared to his 6 year run as as starter in Arizona. We just have to hope that it's a blip due to injury, pressing, etc., and not an Abreu like downturn since we're on the hook for 2 more years.

F Framber man

Takes the second half of the season off and contributes significantly to losing the division and then decides to get it together when the Astros are on the outside looking in for the last playoff spot

The Astros cannot run that guy off soon enough

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Need the Sox to sweep Detroit. Rangers are horrible and won't win a damn game against Cleveland.

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Especially if they know that winning one might help us.

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F Framber man

Takes the second half of the season off and contributes significantly to losing the division and then decides to get it together when the Astros are on the outside looking in for the last playoff spot

The Astros cannot run that guy off soon enough

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I hear you, but man did he lose ALOT of money with his dismal 2nd half performance. Not to mention the bad look of the Salazar deal.

Something like 7/250 to now something for much less and maybe even a 1 year deal somewhere.

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F Framber man

Takes the second half of the season off and contributes significantly to losing the division and then decides to get it together when the Astros are on the outside looking in for the last playoff spot

The Astros cannot run that guy off soon enough

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I hear you, but man did he lose ALOT of money with his dismal 2nd half performance. Not to mention the bad look of the Salazar deal.

Something like 7/250 to now something for much less and maybe even a 1 year deal somewhere.

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Honestly, anybody giving a pitcher more than a 3 year deal when they spin it like he does and hasn't had TJ yet is not going to be happy with the deal in the long run. I may be way off, but I would be shocked to see him get more than 5 years in a deal, particularly after the Salazar deal. Nobody wants a head case hanging off the team like a boat anchor for multiple years if they implode and lose it.

I'm not buying that. He's still one of the best LHP in the game with extensive playoff and WQS experience.

He's gonna get paid.

The Salazar incident may affect him some but not as much as we think.