If they really do like Cease... He's a free agent after this season.

Chef Elko said:

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WANGUS12 and CHIEF ELKO

I need some payment info for you guys for Astros Bingo prize money.

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Where do I send prize money?

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You can take care of wangus12 and Chief Elko, I've got ntouch and wmitchell covered. .

This is Elko's Venmo - agtxtxag14 at gmail dot com

Still waiting on wangus12 (sounds like a bad play)

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My venmo isn't attached to that email but I'll share it via email if you/Marvin emails me. Not trying to doxx myself on here with my full name

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Chef Mike Elko

Chef Elko said:

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Marvin said:

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WANGUS12 and CHIEF ELKO

I need some payment info for you guys for Astros Bingo prize money.

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Where do I send prize money?

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You can take care of wangus12 and Chief Elko, I've got ntouch and wmitchell covered. .

This is Elko's Venmo - agtxtxag14 at gmail dot com

Still waiting on wangus12 (sounds like a bad play)

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My venmo isn't attached to that email but I'll share it via email if you/Marvin emails me. Not trying to doxx myself on here with my full name

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My bad, I'll send Marvin a note.
You should try getting doxxed some time on TexAgs, it's terrific and it lasts seemingly forever.

We should be playing right now

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We should be playing right now

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No we shouldn't. You have to have an offense with a pulse for more than 10% of the season.

My opinion is Dana needs to seriously look at the offensive approach he wants the team to have and change the personnel to match as much as possible. You can keep 2-3 guys like Yanier and Dubon around as far as free-swinging, uber-aggressive hitters, but if Dana really wants a more patient approach at the plate, he's going to have to go get those guys. Lunhow did it in 2017 after the 2015 and 2016 seasons.

Parades was a start. I think Carlos does ok with that. Missing Alvarez hurt in that regard. Altuve isn't going to change, and I'm concerned about him chasing more as he gets older. Hopefully he's 100% healthy next season.

Yanier is probably kept, so just going to have to deal with that. Hope he can get some pitch recognition work in this off-season like I'd rather replace Dubon with a more patient hitter that plays above average, not necessarily great, utility defense. Maybe that's Urias.

At the point I really don't care a ton about the hitting coaches. I'm always going to fall on the side of the personnel dictates the majority of the success. I think coaches certainly help, but no coach is taking a well below average player and turning them into a well above average player. I'll let you guys have what you want this offseason for hitting coaches

Another managerial opening in the A.L. West https://t.co/sGswfmthcI

— Adam Wexler (@AdamJWexler) September 30, 2025

Where is the board's position on resigning Framber right now?

Is the thought his second half attitude is a result of Joe's leadership or that he is a clubhouse cancer? The answer to that probably influences your position on resigning him or not.

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Where is the board's position on resigning Framber right now?

Is the thought his second half attitude is a result of Joe's leadership or that he is a clubhouse cancer? The answer to that probably influences your position on resigning him or not.

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I view him kinda like Keuchel after 2018. I think we got the best years out of him and he's about to go downhill

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Where is the board's position on resigning Framber right now?

Is the thought his second half attitude is a result of Joe's leadership or that he is a clubhouse cancer? The answer to that probably influences your position on resigning him or not.

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How about 1 year, $15M. Take it or leave it.

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Where is the board's position on resigning Framber right now?

Is the thought his second half attitude is a result of Joe's leadership or that he is a clubhouse cancer? The answer to that probably influences your position on resigning him or not.

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Give him the QO…let him sign long term elsewhere…get draft pick and profit. He is not the guy to finally give a big long term deal if you're the Astros. Out of all the players that have left in the past for big long term deals, the only one that has come close to earning their contract has been Cole. Even if Framber wasn't a mental midget, I wouldn't offer him a long term deal.

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Where is the board's position on resigning Framber right now?

Is the thought his second half attitude is a result of Joe's leadership or that he is a clubhouse cancer? The answer to that probably influences your position on resigning him or not.

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He'd have to come at an extreme discount. If market value is 7/200 then I would want 6/150. Even then, I think we could be aggressive in a trade for someone under control for a couple of years. Then use that money elsewhere.

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Where is the board's position on resigning Framber right now?

Is the thought his second half attitude is a result of Joe's leadership or that he is a clubhouse cancer? The answer to that probably influences your position on resigning him or not.

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Before August I was team re-sign him. But now I don't think we should overpay for him

As Farmer said, at a discount I'd take him. But not for what we think the market value is for him (compared to a Fried)

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My opinion is Dana needs to seriously look at the offensive approach he wants the team to have and change the personnel to match as much as possible. You can keep 2-3 guys like Yanier and Dubon around as far as free-swinging, uber-aggressive hitters, but if Dana really wants a more patient approach at the plate, he's going to have to go get those guys. Lunhow did it in 2017 after the 2015 and 2016 seasons.

Parades was a start. I think Carlos does ok with that. Missing Alvarez hurt in that regard. Altuve isn't going to change, and I'm concerned about him chasing more as he gets older. Hopefully he's 100% healthy next season.

Yanier is probably kept, so just going to have to deal with that. Hope he can get some pitch recognition work in this off-season like I'd rather replace Dubon with a more patient hitter that plays above average, not necessarily great, utility defense. Maybe that's Urias.

At the point I really don't care a ton about the hitting coaches. I'm always going to fall on the side of the personnel dictates the majority of the success. I think coaches certainly help, but no coach is taking a well below average player and turning them into a well above average player. I'll let you guys have what you want this offseason for hitting coaches

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I agree we are too aggressive at times, but seeing more pitches doesn't always equate to a good thing for the offense.

The Braves saw the most pitches per PA last year. Their offense wasn't too dissimilar from ours. The Angels saw the 3rd most pitches per PA. They were ass.

On the flip side, the Blue Jays saw the 4th fewest (3.77 per PA vs our 3.76 per PA) and their offense was one of the best in baseball.

If you trended it, I would imagine there is some correlation, but it's not some magical cure to the offense some seem to think.

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My opinion is Dana needs to seriously look at the offensive approach he wants the team to have and change the personnel to match as much as possible. You can keep 2-3 guys like Yanier and Dubon around as far as free-swinging, uber-aggressive hitters, but if Dana really wants a more patient approach at the plate, he's going to have to go get those guys. Lunhow did it in 2017 after the 2015 and 2016 seasons.

Parades was a start. I think Carlos does ok with that. Missing Alvarez hurt in that regard. Altuve isn't going to change, and I'm concerned about him chasing more as he gets older. Hopefully he's 100% healthy next season.

Yanier is probably kept, so just going to have to deal with that. Hope he can get some pitch recognition work in this off-season like I'd rather replace Dubon with a more patient hitter that plays above average, not necessarily great, utility defense. Maybe that's Urias.

At the point I really don't care a ton about the hitting coaches. I'm always going to fall on the side of the personnel dictates the majority of the success. I think coaches certainly help, but no coach is taking a well below average player and turning them into a well above average player. I'll let you guys have what you want this offseason for hitting coaches

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I agree we are too aggressive at times, but seeing more pitches doesn't always equate to a good thing for the offense.

The Braves saw the most pitches per PA last year. Their offense wasn't too dissimilar from ours. The Angels saw the 3rd most pitches per PA. They were ass.

On the flip side, the Blue Jays saw the 4th fewest (3.77 per PA vs our 3.76 per PA) and their offense was one of the best in baseball.

If you trended it, I would imagine there is some correlation, but it's not some magical cure to the offense some seem to think.

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I made Grok do the legwork.

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Key Findings

• Correlation between Pit/PA and R/G: r=0.214 r = 0.214 r=0.214 (weak positive). Teams that saw more pitches tended to score slightly more runs, but the link is modest.
• Correlation between Pit/PA and OPS+: r=0.190 r = 0.190 r=0.190 (weak positive). A similar slight positive trend exists with adjusted on-base and power production.

These values suggest a mild association: more patient lineups (higher Pit/PA) may create better scoring opportunities by tiring pitchers and forcing mistakes, but it's far from deterministic. Factors like power hitting, contact rates, and base-running likely explain more variance in offensive success. The league average Pit/PA was 3.87, with R/G at 4.45 and OPS+ at ~100 (implied from data).

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If we did indeed dodge the luxury tax this season, then that will make the value of the QO pick all the more meaningful, unlike the one we got this year for Bregman.

Here's my opinion on Framber

• If Joe is retained kiss Framber goodbye. That ain't gonna work.
• If Joe is not retained and they decide to go the way of a different manager then I'd be open to offering Framber a contract GIVEN that the new manager is on board with (or at least capable of) staying on his ass and getting him in line.

IF they get to the point of vetting and interviewing managers this needs be a huge talking point. How would you have handled it? Are up for that task? etc etc

Also as a little side story...I was discussing this with some family last weekend and one of them (lifelong fan but never did play baseball competitively) had the take of 'Yeah that whole ordeal is just isn't a big deal to me. Wouldn't be a big deal if Salazar just catches the ball like he's supposed to'.

I just rolled me eyes and commented about how that tracks as a comment from someone who's never played.

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We should be playing firing coaches right now

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FIFY

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If we did indeed dodge the luxury tax this season, then that will make the value of the QO pick all the more meaningful, unlike the one we got this year for Bregman.

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We did not.

edit: maybe we did. I would have bet my house that I read we went over after the trade deadline.

Re: Framber, I am all for offering him the absolute minimum we can in terms of salary for 1 year to meet the QO and not a penny more. The guy is a ticking time bomb on the mound and you never really know which version you are going to get. He can be absolutely nails for half a season, then just fall apart like he did this year, seemingly just by losing it mentally. Add in the likelihood of TJ sometime in his future and I don't want to be tied to him long term.

In terms of hitting coaches, seeing pitches, etc. I think raising your pitch count is only effective if you are using it to get better pitches to swing at. If you run the count to 8 pitches, but 6 of them were well outside the strike zone and you were swinging and fouling them off, you are not doing yourself any favors. The pitcher knows they can keep throwing pitches you can't handle and you will keep swinging. If you run the count to 8 pitches because you watched 3 balls and fouled off 2-4 strikes that you got fooled on, you are forcing the pitcher to give you a strike. Our free swinging lineup has not been very good at "getting their pitch to hit", and when they do, they have mostly missed them.

I don't expect a new coach to come in and change who Yainer is at the plate. He is going to swing at pitches outside the zone because he is not good at recognizing them. But what a good coach should be able to do is convince him to quit trying to pull those pitches to left field. If they are going to pitch you outside, hit it where they pitch you. I also would expect new coaches to work on situational things like elevating in sacrifice situations, hitting behind runners, etc. We were terrible at situational hitting this year and last and it is one of my biggest beefs with the hitting coaches. We would make the same stupid mistakes over and over and over and nobody seemed to be stepping up to try to get it corrected.

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If we did indeed dodge the luxury tax this season, then that will make the value of the QO pick all the more meaningful, unlike the one we got this year for Bregman.

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edit: maybe we did. I would have bet my house that I read we went over after the trade deadline.

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Saw this posted on the Rangers' thread.

2025 MLB Team Tax Tracker

I have not been a fan of Yainer's plate approach, but I would like to see what another hitting coach could do with him. A bit more patience and a clue about sliders might do wonders. He may not ever be the Raleigh on Roids show, but he would be damn good.

If he's not coachable, get what you can.

Fire the medical staff and replace them with the witchdoctors that got Paredes back.

Seeing Skubal carve today almost makes me feel better about last year. Having THE ace of a league even in a WC setting is such an advantage. Cleveland (and us, last year) is lucky this is a best 2-of-3.

101 in the seventh inning is nuts

Of course they're also only up 2-1 so anything can happen.

Sorry, Yainer is the #1 person I don't want to see on the roster next year. Defense sucks in general and had many episodes of apparent laziness behind the plate. His ABs are very painful to watch. Pitchers know that he will swing wildly at pitches out of the zone. I have no clue why a pitcher would even throw him a strike.

If we happen to keep him (likely), I really hope a new hitting coach can help him.

Yainer is a 7 hole hitter in an ideal lineup. He and Walker spent way too much time in the top 5. Which I know was due to injury… but his numbers as they are if he's in the 7 hole are good.

We just need him to get closer to his 2023 production of making more contact

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Yainer is a 7 hole hitter in an ideal lineup. He and Walker spent way too much time in the top 5. Which I know was due to injury… but his numbers as they are if he's in the 7 hole are good.

We just need him to get closer to his 2023 production of making more contact

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The problem is that we have about 6 regular starters that ought to be hitting in 7-9 based on their numbers this season. We need a couple of them to start hitting well enough and with power to put at 4-6.

AJ takes out Skubal at 107 pitches, 2 outs bottom 8 with the tying run at second.

Joe's gotta go

There hasn't been a postseason complete game since the Astros' Justin Verlander in Game 2 of the 2017 ALCS, one of the more underrated games of Houston's golden era.https://t.co/R2ihFNlhLE

— Greg Rajan (@GregRajan) September 30, 2025

I was in-person for that game. Freakin' awesome day.

linkdude said:

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There hasn't been a postseason complete game since the Astros' Justin Verlander in Game 2 of the 2017 ALCS, one of the more underrated games of Houston's golden era.https://t.co/R2ihFNlhLE

— Greg Rajan (@GregRajan) September 30, 2025

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Gary Sanchez 2017 ALCS MVP

Mr.Bond said:

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Joe's gotta go

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My dad would scream the same thing at the TV watching Fox News around 2022

linkdude said:

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There hasn't been a postseason complete game since the Astros' Justin Verlander in Game 2 of the 2017 ALCS, one of the more underrated games of Houston's golden era.https://t.co/R2ihFNlhLE

— Greg Rajan (@GregRajan) September 30, 2025

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I need to go back and watch that game,, was at the a&m@florida game that day

Bunch of empty seats in the upper deck in Cleveland