So it looks like the Aggie War Hymn was stolen from a song called Hello, My Coney Island Baby.

Hellom My Coney Island Baby
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6M8KJef4kQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdUOvTiVqeU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxM0e_8ep8Q&feature=related

FTAB:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d909YwgQpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ8T-J2SYg0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2b1D5w82yU


The Aggie War Hymn was originally written as a ballad set to the music of an old ragtime song, "Hello, My Coney Island Baby,". The Aggie War Hymn was written by J.V. "Pinky" Wilson, one of many Aggies who fought in World War I. Wilson combined several yells (the Aggie version of cheers) then in use at the time into a song called "Good-bye to Texas University." '


The beginning words of the song refer to the sound of a train crossing the tracks in College Station, Texas, home of Texas A&M: "Hullabaloo, caneck, caneck! Hullabaloo, caneck, caneck!"[citation needed]
In 1928, Wilson wrote another verse at the request of several Aggie students who thought the original was too focused on the Aggies' rivalry with the University of Texas. This verse is now the first verse of the song but never caught on, in part because many felt it sounded too much like an Ivy League song. To this day, the second (original) verse is usually sung twice.[2]
The second verse opens with "Good-bye to texas university". These words were chosen since Aggies traditionally refer to their principal athletic rival, the University of Texas, as "texas university", or "t.u."



[This message has been edited by Louis Armstrong (edited 4/14/2008 12:30a).]

How many times are going to go over this?

Until we change the Aggie War Hymn to Hello, My Coney Island Baby. I don't know if this is old or new army. I wonder if we are paying any royalties ever time the FTAB strikes up Hello, My Coney Island Baby? Kind of like the seahawks using the 12th man.

I think a lot of school fight songs are based on old songs. For instance, the t.u. fight song is actually "I've been working on the railroad".

It's no worse than having your national anthem based on an old English drinking song.

true, but I just think it was a "new army" act to take the music from Coney Island Baby. We shouldn't have problems with people using the 12th man if we used the music from Coney Island Baby. Next game I attend, I'll start with....."Good Bye My Coney Island Baby"

true, but I just think it was a "new army" act to take the music from Coney Island Baby. We shouldn't have problems with people using the 12th man if we used the music from Coney Island Baby. Next game I attend, I'll start with....."Good Bye My Coney Island Baby"

Didn't they do that "new army" act well before any living "old army" guys were born???

[This message has been edited by TXAggie2011 (edited 4/14/2008 1:32a).]

i guess you're right, new army came first, then those cats turned into old army, and now old army is mad b/c new army is making e/t go to hell. It's hard to keep up.

From an old Aggie Band Association site (not the current TABA site)

http://www.aggieband.com/story/warhymn.html

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War Hymn
The view from 30 years away

by Patrick Harris '69

At quiet times, on airline flights or sitting in long meetings, the subject creeps up on my easily digressed mind and me. Where the hell did all the pieces of the Aggie War Hymn come from and why does it have the hold it has over those lucky enough to be Ags, or luckier still to be in the Band? I have a few Aggie books, and I don't think I've ever seen anything that remotely begins to explain it (beyond: "Pinky Wilson wrote it". And he didn't write the music. He did better than that. He stole it, which is appropriate, right and just.) Why is all this overlooked? It's a rich, eclectic gathering of stuff that makes one of the great raucous incitements to riot ever put to music.

Band members know a few things that most Ags don't because we're in the middle of it. (We're the Bee-Cues, Bravo Quebec, members of the hardest working outfit you ever saw.) There are likely a few things Band members, as individuals, don't know because it is (at least when I was in the Band) difficult to know what's going on clear across the band in another instrument section.

SO it starts off with Recall. It's an old honest-to-gosh bugle call that signaled troops to return to station. It became identified with the end of the working day. At A&M a holiday was off to an official start when the bugler played Recall right after morning chow: sweet music indeed.

The Band, for its performance purposes, knows how to get the student body's attention and make it feel good, too. Play Recall. Play it twice. First time, the trumpets sound with first and third valves down, G (Concert F), B and D, a long path through the horn. It's an easy, low frequency tone, so even a lousy musician can hit that first note right on. It has a strange, deep, hollow sound, as though addressed mostly to folks that can't be at the game. The second round comes out with all the valves open, the shortest path through the horn, in the highest key that the horn can execute the call. This time it's C (Concert B flat), E and G. This sound splits air, a call to all living souls. Everyone's standing up and we're only using the brass horns.

Hullabaloo. There can't be any reasonable explanation for this. Possibly it is some 20's era catch phrase. One story holds that it emulates the sound of World War I tanks moving through the mud. It's a little nonsensical, but a lot hairier than your basic "Boola Boola". It carries no complication whatever, using one note in kind of a cadence count. It's a great transition for the Band because it's on the move now and several hundred troops need to concentrate more on alignment and cadence than picking out the notes on the horn. One of the better openings for a drum section anywhere, anytime. Caneck Caneck.

The main chorus of The Aggie War Hymn isn't original music. It's an old ragtime era song, but not rag music, called "Hello, My Coney Island Baby". That's the melody. I saw Tony Orlando (yeah, THAT Tony Orlando) perform once on television. I once spied a barber shop quartet in Cleveland singing it on local TV. I figure old Wilson heard the piece in New York before shipping out to France and calculated it would be the perfect backdrop for verses really insulting to Teasippers. It truly is a "shoot the lights out" kind of work: music to bar-fight by. Musically, the Band has a lot of respect for it. There's not much goofing around. Just play the music. The baritones, and reeds have a couple of features, up and down runs that connect phrases. The trombones do not embellish but provide a downward tracking backbone, one note per beat where the rest of the Band has two. The drum cadence alone qualifies as a dangerous weapon. Just for effect, the Band plays it twice. The student body sings the second verse twice, "Good bye to Texas University" Good luck for the Aggies....

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Lot more at link.



[This message has been edited by CanyonAg77 (edited 4/14/2008 7:22a).]

i've been rick rolled

Rivalries has gone to hell when the first thing I see in the morning is a post de-constructing the War Hymn.

tceh sucks.

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tceh sucks.

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I know rivalries has gone to hell when this guy treats Texas Tech like our OU.
FAIL

HeyMoe has been pwned

Germans bomb moon, etc.

No wait, this one's more like...

Cavemen club mastodon, etc.

This thread = Fail

Singing about tu while playing ISU = obsession.






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Softball

Baseball

Texas Fight sounds nothing like I've been working on the railroad. The Eyes of Texas however does.

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Singing about tu while playing ISU = obsession.

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Whose side are you on?

This is a BAD time of year, when people resort to fight song smack.

Louis' pissed about the whole deal because The Aggies didn't choose "What a Wonderful World"

No the texas fight song isn't working on the rail road, but it does sound a lot like

"texas bite, texas bite, texas jump up and bite my ass, texas bite, texas bite, texas jump up bite my ass

B I T E A S S

you ppl have no shame copying everything A&M.


[This message has been edited by tresix9 (edited 4/14/2008 3:03p).]

There goes the classless 54 on my nuts again. He must be gay or bisexual, cause he loves him some Louis.

And I think to myself, what a wonderful world.

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HeyMoe has been pwned

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Uh, yeah...he really got me good.....I guess.

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I know rivalries has gone to hell when this guy treats Texas Tech like our OU.
FAIL

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New Army.*sigh*


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[This message has been edited by HeyMoe (edited 4/14/2008 5:13p).]

"Texas fight, Texas fight, and its goodbye to A and M".

FAIL.

Next?

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Texas Fight sounds nothing like I've been working on the railroad. The Eyes of Texas however does.

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Actually both are derived from that song. Texas Fight borrowing from that and Taps, bot of which are sped up for the normal version of Texas Fight.

In regard to Louis,

"Trollin', Trollin' Trollin', keep them t-sips, trollin'; Rawhide!!

Second of all,

Hullabaloo came from the noise that the artillery fire produced that J.V. Wilson heard in the trenches during WWI. The "Caneck, Caneck" came from the firing pins being reset as shells were reloaded into their respective chambers.

So ours sounds like Coney Island and the sips' sounds like "I've been working on the Railroad", big freakin' deal. Just for the sake of arugment, I think we should sing both versus, not just the second. Okay, that is all I have to say.

and to you my friend, I'm class of 96' and have my Texas A&M University diploma proudly displayed in my office.

[This message has been edited by Louis Armstrong (edited 4/14/2008 9:59p).]

"i've been working on the railroad"...

now that's an original tune.

Texas Fight is a rip-off of A&M's old Farmers Fight song. Even the t-sip that wrote it admitted it.

Texas Fight was first sung at Oilcan Harry's in 1965. See link below

http://www.sphinctermusclestighten.com

Lexofer is correct, damn A&M copying sips.

According to Wiki, "Goodbye My Coney Island Baby" was 1st recorded in the mid 20's.It also says that Pinky copied music from this song.

Dates don't line up, however.

AWH was originally sung as a ballad around campus by Pinky with his quartet called "The Cast iron Quartet" in 1919-20.
Pinky wrote music to his lyrics in the spring of 1919 while he was in Germany on a peace keeping detail after Armistice was signed in Nov 1918

I have a copy of AWH sheet music from 1921 that can prove that the music existed before GMCIB was officially recorded.

Who stole from whom?