Front Porch Update

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I should have made a running thread because this job took WAY longer than i anticipated. Partly due to the daily rain and partly due to the small tile.

I learned a few things along the way, like that I should have waited to decide if i wanted to clad my current columns with cedar or replace the whole column after i take the existing trim off. Had to buy some new tools and make some other stuff, but over all it was a good project.

Our porch was a concrete slab and had basic white wooden columns, and we have long wanted to address the concrete, so i figured may as well just do them both at the same time. After looking at costs and the process of replacing the whole columns, I decided to just clad them with cedar. Boy howdy was that a time consuming and annoying decision.

I popped the trim off of all of the columns and this is essentially what i found everywhere. Yay, bonus work.



So i got my floor jack and a 4x4 and jacked the roof up and cut the bottoms of all of the columns off, but first i had to cut down a 6x6 to the exact size. more bonus work. I put some guides on the column so my cuts would be straight and went to town with my circular saw.



Did the same to all 6 columns and ended up with this.


Unfortunately, as I said, i had already purchased all of the cedar, and like an idiot, i didnt cover it on the way home and it got rained on and there was a little bit of warping, which was annoying as all get out later.

Because i didnt spring for the expensive stuff, i had to build a sled to plane it so the edges were straight. On that note, I sold my old table saw a couple of years ago and got a new to me table saw and dust collection system for $300 on marketplace, so that was pretty cool.



Once they were cut and the edges mitered, i sprayed them with stain, which took FOREVER top dry and the boards also did not take nearly as much as I expected. I was expecting over two gallons, but after two coats i was at less than a half gallon. very weird, but ill be staining all sorts of things now with my extra stain. I used an oil based stain called ready seal in dark walnut.


In between all of this i was prepping the slab and the travertine going down on the front porch. The travertine was really cool and i got an absolute steal on it, which makes this project even more rewarding. There was what I am fairly certain was a completely filled in geode but learned is called a VUG. Lots of open pockets of crystals on the backs of the tiles. really cool. I put the vug on the leading edge dead center when you come on the porch from the walkway.


one coat of sealant on the entire tile, and a second coat on the top.



There were a couple superficial cracks on the slab and i hit them with concrete patch, but no picture. Next was hitting the porch with aquagaurd or whatever it was called from Mapei. Went on really thin so i did three coats. Had to pull back all the landscaping rocks and the landscaping fabric to get down on the slab.


Once this was dried i was ready to start the tile. My wife wanted herringbone but aint nobody got time for that. Tiling took several days because of rain and how tedious the small tiles are. Day one. no rain in the forecast then a massive storm popped up and sprayed water ALL OVER this. that led to 5 tiles popping off the next day that i had to glue down. Really hoping that doesnt cause an issue down the line but we shall see.



Some days turned in to a morning and afternoon session with a lunch time break. I bought kneepads before this job and i would not have been able to do it without them. Had to keep everything covered at all times after day one, which led to me putting plastic sheeting up, which led to sweltering conditions.


Working my way down the porch. I decided to have the top tile overhang the front of the porch so i had to be extremely careful to not put any weight on the front tiles until they had been supported by the mortar from the tiles on the front.



This was a daily occurrence in the afternoon. it did not help at all.


Couple more progress pics.




I think my post is too big so i will finish it on another post.


Sea Speed
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texags threads are weird when youre adding a lot of photos, i double posted the post below.
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Once i finished up the tile, it was on to the grout.
Partially done with grout and i had to drop the rain shields because my wife was tired of not being able to see out of the windows.



Befopre putting the trim on the base of the columns and taped for silicon on the edges.






The uplighting looks much better on these columns than the last.



Here we are with the base trim in and after a final coat of sealant on the travertine and a final coat of stain on the wood.

Sea Speed
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one of the reasons i should have gone with new columns instead of the cladding was just a slight warpage on the boards caused issues with them sitting properly because i didnt plane anything down because i lack a planer. I would have done that differently if i did it again. Additionally, i could not find a wood filler that matched or took stain well, so had to deal with that. With solid cedar columns, I would not have run in to that issue. Saved about $1000 but also took up several days of labor.
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also, i only put full length tiles around the walkway and did half tiles around the landscaping. It would have taken me another day or two to get all the rocks/dirt/landscaping fabric clear enough to do 6" tiles. As it is, youll never see the bottom of the tiles even at 3".
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BenTheGoodAg
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That's a nice slice of Americana. Overall great transformation and look.
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yea i saw those after the fact but with the treated wood i think i will be ok. previous columns werent even treated.
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original thread talking about travertine on my porch if anyone recalls.

https://texags.com/forums/61/topics/3541124/replies/70164598
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BenTheGoodAg said:

That's a nice slice of Americana. Overall great transformation and look.

the tesla charger really ties the americana aspect of it all together, if you ask me.
Sea Speed
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one thing i want to know is why the fountain grass on the left side of the house is not growing as well as the fountain grass on the right side. There is really no difference in the two spots besides about 2 extra hours of sun for the grass on the right.

Eiother way, I am looking forward to the bushes we planted this spring to fill in to help with the symmetrical look we want on the right side of the home.
Ryan the Temp
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Really fantastic looking job. Tile is on my top 3 list of things I hate to do.
Sea Speed
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Thank you. Before this I had only done one backsplash, one small entry and a shower. This was by far the biggest job I've ever done. While I don't get it perfect, I think all of my jobs have been pretty dang good. I think the shower was the most annoying job though because it's such a tight fit and my tiles were larger. I also got a double shower recess which was so stupid and I'll never do that again. What a pain in the butt that was.
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This was the front when we bought the place. Those bushes really felt like they blocked the whole house off and made it feel way less accessible.
Ryan the Temp
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One thing I might suggest (if I am seeing this correctly) is if the cladding and base trim on the columns extends below the top of the tile, you might want to trim it off slightly above the top of the tiles with an oscillating saw and fill the depression with sealant. It looks like you cut the tiles around the columns, which can cause water to pool around the bases of them, which will cause premature decay of the cladding. When I redid mine, I made sure there was a 1/4" gap to keep the cladding and trim from sitting in or wicking water.
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Sea Speed said:



It would look even better if you replaced the half-rounds on the gables with stained cedar shakes to match the columns. You might be able to find some SmartSide "fake shake" siding you can stain to match.
Ryan the Temp
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One more thing I just noticed ...

You have a fairly pronounced bow in your gable siding. This might need some attention.
Sea Speed
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That's what we have on our garage apartment. It's an absolute least concern right now as I've got a number of other things to worry about. I don't know why they swapped from the old cedar to this, but oh well.

The bow is new though, I'll look in to that.
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Looks good. You might have mentioned it above but Did the columns end up becoming 6x6s or 8x8s?
scd88
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Porch looks great! Well done!!
Sea Speed
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I cut down a 6x6 to match the old column for the repair at the bottom which was iirc 5.25x5.25 but the new columns are somewhere around 6.75" wide/deep.
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You can see it in one of the photos on the OP, but it was surprising to me that the old columns were hollow, which accelerated the rot. The only thing holding them up was the old trim so I am glad I did this project before I had a major issue.
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Jeeze another step I forgot to put in was slab prep before coating. I pressure washed lightly and then scrubbed with a stiff bristle brush and simple green to remove any oils and funk that accumulated over the years. Lots and lots of steps in this job to get it done right.
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Wife GPTed the house.
Tango.Mike
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Nice work, looks wildly better than the before

Question though: Why'd you go to the trouble of repair matching the columns if you were cladding them? You already had it jacked up and loose, why not just replace with a new 6x6 or whatever?
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Because I had already purchased and stained the cedar. It was stupid of me to do that before inspecting the scope of work. Massive lesson learned.
Tango.Mike
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Sorry meant just replace with a new 6x6 to clad. Now that I think about it though, while cutting square sideways with a circular saw is painful, six 6x6s would be pretty expensive just to save an hour's effort

Either way it turned out great
Aggietaco
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Looks great!

My only criticism is the same that has already been voiced about creating a pool for the base of the columns to rot. I had my fingers crossed that you were using PVC blocks at the base as I was reading through your OP. Hopefully it takes long enough to be the next guys problem!
Sea Speed
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The trim is above the tile and there's a small small gap between the clad and the ground and the 6x6 is sitting on the ground. I probably should have researched a bit more but I would guess I've got 15+ years to plan any repairs
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Looks great!
muleshoe
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Deserves much more than 11 blue stars.
Maximus Johnson
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Great job!!
Sea Speed
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Tango.Mike said:

Sorry meant just replace with a new 6x6 to clad. Now that I think about it though, while cutting square sideways with a circular saw is painful, six 6x6s would be pretty expensive just to save an hour's effort

Either way it turned out great


I misunderstood what you meant. The columns are 5.25 x 5.25. I had to cut down a 6x6 just to get it to match the size of the column. It would have been an absolute bear to do that to the whole thing. And tbh, it didn't occur to me. I had tunnel vision on what I was doing and didn't consider many deviations from that. Tends to happen to me.
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Looks really great.
Jetty
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Really great work! You're way more patient than me! Looks fantastic!
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