At what point does Buzz go from being well respected/thought of by the Aggie family to another Schlossnagle?
At what point does Buzz go from being well thought of to another Schlossnagle
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Last: 2 mo ago by DukeMu
Who cares, Buzz is not the coach anymore, move on.
Now
What makes him a "Schlossnagle?" Taking another job?
When he takes us to the national title game, gets pissy with a reporter for asking him if he's going to leave for sip, then leaves anyway and tries to take all of the eligible 5-star players with him.
Which is to say, never.
we have to be liked. So our fanbase can't handle when a coach breaks up with us.JJxvi said:
What makes him a "Schlossnagle?" Taking another job?
BQ_90 said:we have to be liked. So our fanbase can't handle when a coach breaks up with us.JJxvi said:
What makes him a "Schlossnagle?" Taking another job?
Of course, that's not the case with any other fanbase.
dumb post is dumb.
1. Didn't take us to the National Title game.
2. Was usually a little more pleasant than Schloss.
3. Didn't leave for arch rival right after NC game.
2. Was usually a little more pleasant than Schloss.
3. Didn't leave for arch rival right after NC game.
I know a lot about a little, and a little about a lot.
I just want to play them in the ncaa tourney in 2-4 years
Didn't say he wasn't going anywhere and was committed to A & M the day before he left like Schlossnagle did.
I'd settle for a home and home.MarcAg said:
I just want to play them in the ncaa tourney in 2-4 years
Actually, he pretty much did say that. When asked about recruiting on the day before it was opening, he said he was going to be starting first thing the next day. Do you actually believe that to be the case? He had already been in talks with Maryland and was leaving. He lied just like Schlossnagle.halfastros81 said:
Didn't say he wasn't going anywhere and was committed to A & M the day before he left like Schlossnagle did.
He will never be thought of the same way because everyone knew he would never have won it all if he had stayed. Unlike Schlossnagle who could have won it all. Kind of like the difference between getting dumped by the girl of your dreams and getting dumped by someone who is mid.
Texas_Ag11 said:I'd settle for a home and home.MarcAg said:
I just want to play them in the ncaa tourney in 2-4 years
He isn't doing that. He isn't agreeing to come here
Well , he didn't say who he'd be recruiting for . He certainly didn't know he had the Maryland job. At that point. Jmo, the 2 situations are not very similar.
That's like comparing an ex who cheated on you and when you find out, tells you she's leaving for the other guy,halfastros81 said:
Didn't say he wasn't going anywhere and was committed to A & M the day before he left like Schlossnagle did.
vs an ex who cheats on you and when you find out, maxes your credit card, drains your bank account, keys your car, kills the dog and sets the house on fire as she leaves.
In other words, not really a comparison.
I wouldn't either if I were him. It would look pretty bad to the Maryland folks to get your butt kicked by your replacement especially when you left the roster practically bare.
Texas_Ag11 said:I'd settle for a home and home.MarcAg said:
I just want to play them in the ncaa tourney in 2-4 years
Buzz would never agree to that. But you can bet ncaa will make it happen in the tourney first chance they get.
Not sure I agree with the pairing. It's actually really hard to line that up in a tourney bracket. Easier in baseball.FTAG 2000 said:Texas_Ag11 said:I'd settle for a home and home.MarcAg said:
I just want to play them in the ncaa tourney in 2-4 years
Buzz would never agree to that. But you can bet ncaa will make it happen in the tourney first chance they get.
And I didn't say Buzz would agree to it, but I said I would settle for that. Agree he won't be doing that.
Buzz who?
Buzz places high emphasis on good character.
Schleeze has shown he couldn't care less.
One has a history of having players follow him wherever he goes.
The other hasn't had a single player follow him anywhere.
That should tell you a lot.
can you post some stuff from other fanbases. I beat FSU fans didn't care what happened to Jimbo after he left. And i haven't seen any other fanbases worship coaches like we do.Sterling82 said:BQ_90 said:we have to be liked. So our fanbase can't handle when a coach breaks up with us.JJxvi said:
What makes him a "Schlossnagle?" Taking another job?
Of course, that's not the case with any other fanbase.
Buzz was a solid coach but had his limitations.
It's just his way to move on from a job after 5 or 6 years.
We all pretty much knew this was coming and we knew we'd never be much more than we were under him had he stayed, so I'm not mad at all.
We needed some new blood in this program and buckyball seems like it will jumpstart this program again.
It's just his way to move on from a job after 5 or 6 years.
We all pretty much knew this was coming and we knew we'd never be much more than we were under him had he stayed, so I'm not mad at all.
We needed some new blood in this program and buckyball seems like it will jumpstart this program again.
They do. Every fan base also convinces themselves that their coach sees something special in them. Remember the Tech fans coming over here swearing Beard wouldn't leave them for Texas because he loves the panhandle or whatever?BQ_90 said:
And i haven't seen any other fanbases worship coaches like we do.
Ag_EE_88 said:Actually, he pretty much did say that. When asked about recruiting on the day before it was opening, he said he was going to be starting first thing the next day. Do you actually believe that to be the case? He had already been in talks with Maryland and was leaving. He lied just like Schlossnagle.halfastros81 said:
Didn't say he wasn't going anywhere and was committed to A & M the day before he left like Schlossnagle did.
He was recruiting with the knowledge that the players he recruited could be playing for him at A&M or elsewhere.
And our AD absolutely knew he was going to take another job if he found the right one.
We could have stopped that from happening a couple of months ago but chose not to do so. I think that was the right choice, personally, but Buzz leaving was very much something we could have prevented and chose not to try to do so.
Buzz didn't wrong A&M in any way.
At worst, he took two players we love. At best, he provided the athletic dept with an amicable split so both can pursue something new.
At worst, he took two players we love. At best, he provided the athletic dept with an amicable split so both can pursue something new.
Yeah, I think we can all debate to what degree he was successful here but it did seem like his bunker mentality was putting a cap on our long-term potential as a program.
At no point have I even really been upset that he left. Maybe because it just seemed inevitable but it really had that vibe of like a friendly breakup. "Yeah we had some good times but let's get on with our lives."
At no point have I even really been upset that he left. Maybe because it just seemed inevitable but it really had that vibe of like a friendly breakup. "Yeah we had some good times but let's get on with our lives."
This is the piece of the puzzle i didn't know 2 weeks ago. AD was not going to sweeten the pot significantly to keep Buzz and in hindsight I'd tend to agree that it was the right move. He's a good coach that would have us competing for the tourney most years but he wasn't break the bank good. He was fairly paid and the results didn't justify a major contract extension that would have locked us into him longer term.
From Buzz's view he wanted the security of a longer term commitment and I suppose he projected that next yrs results weren't likely to justify it so he marketed himself to get the longer term commitment elsewhere .
It does make you wonder where we'd be sitting right now had he got the team to the Elite 8 or Final 4. He may have had the leverage to get the commitment here had that happened … I dunno.
From the AD's perspective he didn't want to get Jimbo'd. good thinking …. Probably.
From Buzz's view he wanted the security of a longer term commitment and I suppose he projected that next yrs results weren't likely to justify it so he marketed himself to get the longer term commitment elsewhere .
It does make you wonder where we'd be sitting right now had he got the team to the Elite 8 or Final 4. He may have had the leverage to get the commitment here had that happened … I dunno.
From the AD's perspective he didn't want to get Jimbo'd. good thinking …. Probably.
Do we think this is true for sure? Like, would Buzz have agreed to a deal that made it really hard for him to leave? I'm sure he'd have liked a raise/extension, but would he have agreed to a huge buyout to get it?Quote:
We could have stopped that from happening a couple of months ago but chose not to do so. I think that was the right choice, personally, but Buzz leaving was very much something we could have prevented and chose not to try to do so.
bobinator said:Do we think this is true for sure? Like, would Buzz have agreed to a deal that made it really hard for him to leave? I'm sure he'd have liked a raise/extension, but would he have agreed to a huge buyout to get it?Quote:
We could have stopped that from happening a couple of months ago but chose not to do so. I think that was the right choice, personally, but Buzz leaving was very much something we could have prevented and chose not to try to do so.
He would have had to agree to a bigger buyout, but a huge handcuffs buyout? I don't know, but I tend to think not to the extent that he wouldn't be realistically moveable for four years. I don't think we ever got to the point of negotiating that aspect because we didn't get past the threshold issue of us being willing to give him a raise and extension to begin with.
The way I've described it to people is Buzz has a pathological fear of being fired and thus exists with a running countdown clock in his head. We had the opportunity to turn back that clock and chose not to do so.
As much as there is a lot of uncertainty about the likelihood of success under Bucky ball, especially in the shorter term, I still think it was the right choice.
Yeah, I think everyone involved made the right decisions here. I'm just saying even if we gave him a raise and extension I'm not sure that keeps him from leaving
Did d we need a reset? Yes. Did Buzz provide it? Yes. What happened behind the scenes? Don't know. Doesn't matter.
What is publicly apparent in this case is enough.
What is publicly apparent in this case is enough.
Another difference between Buzz and Schlossnagle i I believe we matched what tu offered did we not? It didn't matter . Maybe matching would have kept Buzz here and maybe not but that wasn't what happened.
I agree. And with the roster being what it was (lots of seniors), the outloook for next season wasn't very good anyway.DTP02 said:Ag_EE_88 said:Actually, he pretty much did say that. When asked about recruiting on the day before it was opening, he said he was going to be starting first thing the next day. Do you actually believe that to be the case? He had already been in talks with Maryland and was leaving. He lied just like Schlossnagle.halfastros81 said:
Didn't say he wasn't going anywhere and was committed to A & M the day before he left like Schlossnagle did.
He was recruiting with the knowledge that the players he recruited could be playing for him at A&M or elsewhere.
And our AD absolutely knew he was going to take another job if he found the right one.
We could have stopped that from happening a couple of months ago but chose not to do so. I think that was the right choice, personally, but Buzz leaving was very much something we could have prevented and chose not to try to do so.
Imagine the uproar had we signed Buzz to a raise and extension and then missed the tournament next year.
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