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St Mary's Superlatives
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Last: 10 days ago by Ag Eng 92
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Still waiting on Bad Moon's answer..... I don't mind opinions, but hate lies.
I started his post but not with A&M's history in mind, but rather the tournament in general. Or college football. How many times have folks believed the SEC to be elite only to watch it go ~3-7 in the first weekend?
I know nothing about St Mary's but the tournament is the great equalizer.
I know nothing about St Mary's but the tournament is the great equalizer.
After watching some St Mary's games against Santa Clara and Gonzaga. Their 6'8 forward Murauskas is really good and can put the ball on the floor and score relying on his physicality. They look dangerous running a two man game between him and the center. I think we see a lot of Agee and Clemence on the floor together to combat this. Their guards don't seem to be crazy athletes, much smaller and less explosive than the guards we've gone up against in SEC play. But they are solid shooters and rely heavily on opposing teams stacking the paint so they can catch and shoot threes. Their two centers at 7'2 and 7'1 are solid rebounders, but they are not physical for their size and seem slow.
I really thing Agee and Clemence can have big games. Agee although undersized is going to spam that spin move and his pump fake and take these guys to the basket. Clemence can use his speed against them as well. They can draw fouls leaving them a step behind. The pick and roll game up top with Hill, Griffen, and Pop will be deadly and I think we'll be able to get some good shots up.
They will try to play slow and make this a half court game. Which means we'll never really be out of it due to our style and a quick 7 or 8 or 9-0 run can make a difference if we can find some buckets in a hurry.
As for the press, they don't turn the ball over often. However, all their guards that play are freshman or sophomores. I think we speed them up. We'll see if they have their legs underneath them in the second half. I know our rotation has tightened up a bit, but I think we need to sub often and play fast. If this is a tight game in the first half, we'll break them in the second. We'll also see if their 280+ centers can full court. We'll have to throw Agee, Clemence, Federiko, and Vinson at them going full speed.
I really thing Agee and Clemence can have big games. Agee although undersized is going to spam that spin move and his pump fake and take these guys to the basket. Clemence can use his speed against them as well. They can draw fouls leaving them a step behind. The pick and roll game up top with Hill, Griffen, and Pop will be deadly and I think we'll be able to get some good shots up.
They will try to play slow and make this a half court game. Which means we'll never really be out of it due to our style and a quick 7 or 8 or 9-0 run can make a difference if we can find some buckets in a hurry.
As for the press, they don't turn the ball over often. However, all their guards that play are freshman or sophomores. I think we speed them up. We'll see if they have their legs underneath them in the second half. I know our rotation has tightened up a bit, but I think we need to sub often and play fast. If this is a tight game in the first half, we'll break them in the second. We'll also see if their 280+ centers can full court. We'll have to throw Agee, Clemence, Federiko, and Vinson at them going full speed.
I'm calling it Clemence gives us a 20 point game
Method Man said:
#1 in FT %
SMC - 668 TT Att, 538 TT Makes. 20 Att/G
A&M - 772 TT Att, 569 TT Makes, 24.1 Att/G
#13 in 3 pt %
SMC - 669 TT Att, 260 TT Makes, 38.86%
A&M - 956 TT Att, 346 TT Makes, 36.19%
#31 in offensive rebounds
# 12 in defensive rebounds
SMC - 1291 TT Reb, 40.3 Reb/G, 29.1 Opp Reb/G
A&M - 1207 TT Reb, 37.7 Reb/G, 37.9 Opp Reb/G
#299 in steals per game
#39 in lowest fouls per game
#124 in TO per game
SMC - 10.8 TO/G, -0.5 TO Margin
A&M - 10.8 TO/G, +2.7 TO Margin
Scoring Offense
SMC - 78.2/G
A&M - 87.7/G
Scoring Defense
SMC - 64.6/G
A&M - 79.6/G
We don't turn the ball over either. That one is a wash.
It's gonna come down to making shots.
GrayMatter said:Method Man said:
#1 in FT %
SMC - 668 TT Att, 538 TT Makes. 20 Att/G
A&M - 772 TT Att, 569 TT Makes, 24.1 Att/G
#13 in 3 pt %
SMC - 669 TT Att, 260 TT Makes, 38.86%
A&M - 956 TT Att, 346 TT Makes, 36.19%
#31 in offensive rebounds
# 12 in defensive rebounds
SMC - 1291 TT Reb, 40.3 Reb/G, 29.1 Opp Reb/G
A&M - 1207 TT Reb, 37.7 Reb/G, 37.9 Opp Reb/G
#299 in steals per game
#39 in lowest fouls per game
#124 in TO per game
SMC - 10.8 TO/G, -0.5 TO Margin
A&M - 10.8 TO/G, +2.7 TO Margin
Scoring Offense
SMC - 78.2/G
A&M - 87.7/G
Scoring Defense
SMC - 64.6/G
A&M - 79.6/G
We don't turn the ball over either. That one is a wash.
It's gonna come down to making shots.
And running their tall slow short bench into the ground.
I ain't worried about St Mary's front court.
It's gonna be a Fed Fed coming out party.
Buckys been saving him for the tournament.
It's gonna be a Fed Fed coming out party.
Buckys been saving him for the tournament.
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I think if we send 5 guys to the boards and hold our own there we'll win with very little drama.
If they kill us on the boards it will be a close game.
Been a long time since we were the more athletic team on the court. I think we'll be the more athletic team this time. If our effort is there, that athleticism should result in us offsetting the height edge and offsetting their interior edge by corralling the majority of the longer rebounds.
If they kill us on the boards it will be a close game.
Been a long time since we were the more athletic team on the court. I think we'll be the more athletic team this time. If our effort is there, that athleticism should result in us offsetting the height edge and offsetting their interior edge by corralling the majority of the longer rebounds.
Their adjusted defensive efficiency is very good (better than ours, substantially).
Paired with them being very good on the offensive glass (and how bad we've been clearing the D glass the past 6 weeks), I would be pretty surprised if we make it to Saturday.
Paired with them being very good on the offensive glass (and how bad we've been clearing the D glass the past 6 weeks), I would be pretty surprised if we make it to Saturday.
Here is hoping the Ags surprise you!
BTHO St. Mary's!!!
(Gotta admit - feels a bit sacrilegious to say that)
BTHO St. Mary's!!!
(Gotta admit - feels a bit sacrilegious to say that)
I hate to simplify things down, but our offense goes as far as our 3 point shooting will take it, especially facing a squad with so much front court size.
If we can see some +shooting from 2+ of Griff, Ruben, Big Z, Dibba, and or Pop, that's going to energize our squad and keep up the intensity on the press. Even if they break it more often than not, it wears on teams over the course of the night. There is a reason why we are a top-15 squad in terms of number of 10 point runs, which can lean on the mental fortitude of our opponent.
Additionally, it doesn't hurt that we'll be playing in our time zone but the Gaels will be flying in and on a 2 hour difference.
If we can see some +shooting from 2+ of Griff, Ruben, Big Z, Dibba, and or Pop, that's going to energize our squad and keep up the intensity on the press. Even if they break it more often than not, it wears on teams over the course of the night. There is a reason why we are a top-15 squad in terms of number of 10 point runs, which can lean on the mental fortitude of our opponent.
Additionally, it doesn't hurt that we'll be playing in our time zone but the Gaels will be flying in and on a 2 hour difference.
On paper this sounds like a game fed may be able to help.
They keys will be if we can make our 3's, and also if we can speed this game up closer to our pace than theirs
They like to grind it out
We need to run the floor a try to beat them before they can get their half court defense set, which is really good
Also, limit their offensive rebounds as much as possible
They like to grind it out
We need to run the floor a try to beat them before they can get their half court defense set, which is really good
Also, limit their offensive rebounds as much as possible
I agree that us being able to control the defensive glass will be key. I just don't see us being able to do it. This team desperately needs an Andy Garcia. Neither Feddy nor Vinson come remotely close to that kind of rebounding acumen. Much the opposite.
All we can do is fight to win. Let's go Aggies!
Adam87inSA said:
I agree that us being able to control the defensive glass will be key. I just don't see us being able to do it. This team desperately needs an Andy Garcia. Neither Feddy nor Vinson come remotely close to that kind of rebounding acumen. Much the opposite.
I don't think we have to necessarily control the defensive glass, just don't get slaughtered on it
Can't be second and third chances almost every time down the floor for st Mary's
We get give up some offensive rebounds but we at least Have to at least be respectable there
When have we played at team with St Mary's size and not gotten manhandled on our D glass?NyAggie said:Adam87inSA said:
I agree that us being able to control the defensive glass will be key. I just don't see us being able to do it. This team desperately needs an Andy Garcia. Neither Feddy nor Vinson come remotely close to that kind of rebounding acumen. Much the opposite.
I don't think we have to necessarily control the defensive glass, just don't get slaughtered on it
Can't be second and third chances almost every time down the floor for st Mary's
We get give up some offensive rebounds but we at least Have to at least be respectable there
What really gives me pause is our game vs Mizzou. We shot the ball insanely well and STILL got beat because Mizzou wore us out inside, especially getting to offensive glass.
TopoTacos said:
I hate to simplify things down, but our offense goes as far as our 3 point shooting will take it, especially facing a squad with so much front court size.
Yes and no, in our losses this past few weeks, we haven't been able to convert our shots near the bucket at a high clip.
If we're hitting our layups/dunks and are able to draw trips to the line, the 3 point line will open up. They're going to fall in the trap and try to collapse in the paint where we will be able to kick out for 3's.
It goes both ways tho. Hitting our three's at a high clip will open things up inside and vice versa. Either way tho imo we have to shoot 3's at high frequency and a reasonable % to win.
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When have we played at team with St Mary's size and not gotten manhandled on our D glass?
What really gives me pause is our game vs Mizzou. We shot the ball insanely well and STILL got beat because Mizzou wore us out inside, especially getting to offensive glass.
I'll take my chances on a game like that and see how it plays out, but you can't say that SMC is more athletic than Missouri. I think we're going to be able to some things on the offensive end that we haven't been able to do in the last few ball games.
Plus, I'd like to think that we have gotten better since that Mizzou game, but we will need to be able to close out SMC when we have the chance.
Saint Mary's destroyed "UC Merced" 96-42 back in November. We're doomed!
Improving on defensive glass since Mizzou is setting an incredibly low bar, as we only grabbed 18DReb compared to their 16 OReb. That translates to 53%.GrayMatter said:Quote:
When have we played at team with St Mary's size and not gotten manhandled on our D glass?
What really gives me pause is our game vs Mizzou. We shot the ball insanely well and STILL got beat because Mizzou wore us out inside, especially getting to offensive glass.
I'll take my chances on a game like that and see how it plays out, but you can't say that SMC is more athletic than Missouri. I think we're going to be able to some things on the offensive end that we haven't been able to do in the last few ball games.
Plus, I'd like to think that we have gotten better since that Mizzou game, but we will need to be able to close out SMC when we have the chance.
A good defensive rebounding % would need to be > 70% IMO, but I'd accept around 70% as at least competent.
Since Mizzou, our DReb %s have been:
- 66% at Vandy L
- 84% OM W (arguably WHY we escaped)
- 58% at OU W
- 63% at Arky L
- 66% t.u. L
- 69% UK W
- 69% at LSU W
- 54% vs OU L
To the extent that we "send all five to the D glass" to increase our DR %, this will likely slow the pace, which plays into SM's hands
Adam87inSA said:When have we played at team with St Mary's size and not gotten manhandled on our D glass?NyAggie said:Adam87inSA said:
I agree that us being able to control the defensive glass will be key. I just don't see us being able to do it. This team desperately needs an Andy Garcia. Neither Feddy nor Vinson come remotely close to that kind of rebounding acumen. Much the opposite.
I don't think we have to necessarily control the defensive glass, just don't get slaughtered on it
Can't be second and third chances almost every time down the floor for st Mary's
We get give up some offensive rebounds but we at least Have to at least be respectable there
What really gives me pause is our game vs Mizzou. We shot the ball insanely well and STILL got beat because Mizzou wore us out inside, especially getting to offensive glass.
Mizzou has the size but is also more athletic than st Mary's
Don't get killed on the glass and hit our number in 3's
Adam87inSA said:GrayMatter said:Quote:
When have we played at team with St Mary's size and not gotten manhandled on our D glass?
What really gives me pause is our game vs Mizzou. We shot the ball insanely well and STILL got beat because Mizzou wore us out inside, especially getting to offensive glass.
I'll take my chances on a game like that and see how it plays out, but you can't say that SMC is more athletic than Missouri. I think we're going to be able to some things on the offensive end that we haven't been able to do in the last few ball games.
Plus, I'd like to think that we have gotten better since that Mizzou game, but we will need to be able to close out SMC when we have the chance.
Improving on defensive glass since Mizzou is setting an incredibly low bar, as we only grabbed 18DReb compared to their 16 OReb. That translates to 53%.
A good defensive rebounding % would need to be > 70% IMO, but I'd accept around 70% as at least competent.
Since Mizzou, our DReb %s have been:
- 66% at Vandy L
- 84% OM W (arguably WHY we escaped)
- 58% at OU W
- 63% at Arky L
- 66% t.u. L
- 69% UK W
- 69% at LSU W
- 54% vs OU L
To the extent that we "send all five to the D glass" to increase our DR %, this will likely slow the pace, which plays into SM's hands
You're argument is based on SEC opponents and it's really an apples to oranges comparison to what SMC has faced. That being said, they're worthy of a 7th seed and I'll take my chances on a Mizzou type of game and coming out with a victory this time around.
They're a hard opponent and it will be a tough game, but our guys have faced far more adversity and scrutiny than SMC and that gives us just the edge we need to beat them.
halfastros81 said:
Shoot the 3 ball well and we're dangerous. Don't shoot the 3 ball well and we're not. It's not all that complicated imo.
Exactly.
Ag Eng 92 said:
But who have they played… these numbers were built against mostly weak competition.
Ummm… I tried to tell y'all.
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