BQ_90 said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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annie88 said:

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I think it will eventually happen, but I'm glad the players are getting the advantages first.

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Yes, that is a good thing.

I hope stadium improvements happen sooner rather than later. In my opinion, it doesn't even need to be something fancy. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see something like Dudy Noble. That place is absolutely incredible

I suppose that ship has sailed, with resources being shifted toward player compensation

That said, I think bluebell could be a much better experience for the fans with just a few improvements

I have long advocated leveling the berms and simply adding a couple of sections of exact conforming permanent, concrete grandstands down the lines. Just expand what you already have, and get permanent infield/baseline seating to about 8000 or so.

Clean up the rest, and a few amenities if you want, keep a little outfield seating and be done

I do not believe that would cost anywhere near $70 million. It could probably be done fairly inexpensively, relatively speaking, and you would have a very good facility with plenty of seating for the fans, and top-notch facilities for the players.

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it won't cost that, but do that and the player facility it will cost that. twk has said it over and over.

Trev basically said they're not taking on new debt. So those of you begging for improvements, you're still not getting a seat. If you're not donating now, you're not getting a seat. They will try to create new seats that maximize revenue, that's suites/club seating.

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Renn_dls said:

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My main concern is that removing GA from the grandstands would kill Olsen Magic and the impact that students and the guys in 203 can have on the opposing team. If they all got shoved to Section 12, Olsen wouldn't have the same feel

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twk said:

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Renn_dls said:

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I want there to be a balance for everyone. I'm someone who goes to every game, but I want to be in GA with my friends. I don't like sitting with the old people. It's not enjoyable for me. I'm all for seat availability for both people who go to every game, but I want people who go when they can to have seat availability. There are a lot of games, so i completly understand if most poeple can't go to very game.

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They aren't going to build seats that they can't sell as season tickets, because empty seats don't generate revenue, and, Alberts made it clear that we are going to be looking to the revenue from any new seating to pay for itself (mitigated only by however much we raise in donations).

Mississippi State spent $68 million (pre-Covid) to rebuild their ballpark, which has about 8000 permanent seats. If you add in the left field lounge, lets say they build 10,000 seats (they can squeeze in more than that with SRO and berm seating). That means they spent $6800 per seat to rebuild their park. If you finance that with 30 year bond debt at 6% interest, then each seat has to generate $500 per year just to make the debt payments at $6,800 per seat. With construction costs having gone up considerably, lets change that to $9000 per seat. Now, you've got to generate $650 per seat. Yes, we will have some luxury seating that generates four or five times that, but you still are needing to generate significant revenue from every seat if you do an expansion with debt that has to be paid from baseball revenue. And, if you think the MSU numbers are high, Oklahoma State spent about the same amount to build a ballpark with less than 4000 permanent seats.

We could just put in some general seating where the berms are currently located for less, but even that won't be as cheap as people think, and the capacity of the park would remain the same (or possibly shrink a bit).

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twk said:

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Renn_dls said:

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I want there to be a balance for everyone. I'm someone who goes to every game, but I want to be in GA with my friends. I don't like sitting with the old people. It's not enjoyable for me. I'm all for seat availability for both people who go to every game, but I want people who go when they can to have seat availability. There are a lot of games, so i completly understand if most poeple can't go to very game.

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They aren't going to build seats that they can't sell as season tickets, because empty seats don't generate revenue, and, Alberts made it clear that we are going to be looking to the revenue from any new seating to pay for itself (mitigated only by however much we raise in donations).

Mississippi State spent $68 million (pre-Covid) to rebuild their ballpark, which has about 8000 permanent seats. If you add in the left field lounge, lets say they build 10,000 seats (they can squeeze in more than that with SRO and berm seating). That means they spent $6800 per seat to rebuild their park. If you finance that with 30 year bond debt at 6% interest, then each seat has to generate $500 per year just to make the debt payments at $6,800 per seat. With construction costs having gone up considerably, lets change that to $9000 per seat. Now, you've got to generate $650 per seat. Yes, we will have some luxury seating that generates four or five times that, but you still are needing to generate significant revenue from every seat if you do an expansion with debt that has to be paid from baseball revenue. And, if you think the MSU numbers are high, Oklahoma State spent about the same amount to build a ballpark with less than 4000 permanent seats.

We could just put in some general seating where the berms are currently located for less, but even that won't be as cheap as people think, and the capacity of the park would remain the same (or possibly shrink a bit).

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TXAggie2011 said:

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twk said:

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Renn_dls said:

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I want there to be a balance for everyone. I'm someone who goes to every game, but I want to be in GA with my friends. I don't like sitting with the old people. It's not enjoyable for me. I'm all for seat availability for both people who go to every game, but I want people who go when they can to have seat availability. There are a lot of games, so i completly understand if most poeple can't go to very game.

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They aren't going to build seats that they can't sell as season tickets, because empty seats don't generate revenue, and, Alberts made it clear that we are going to be looking to the revenue from any new seating to pay for itself (mitigated only by however much we raise in donations).

Mississippi State spent $68 million (pre-Covid) to rebuild their ballpark, which has about 8000 permanent seats. If you add in the left field lounge, lets say they build 10,000 seats (they can squeeze in more than that with SRO and berm seating). That means they spent $6800 per seat to rebuild their park. If you finance that with 30 year bond debt at 6% interest, then each seat has to generate $500 per year just to make the debt payments at $6,800 per seat. With construction costs having gone up considerably, lets change that to $9000 per seat. Now, you've got to generate $650 per seat. Yes, we will have some luxury seating that generates four or five times that, but you still are needing to generate significant revenue from every seat if you do an expansion with debt that has to be paid from baseball revenue. And, if you think the MSU numbers are high, Oklahoma State spent about the same amount to build a ballpark with less than 4000 permanent seats.

We could just put in some general seating where the berms are currently located for less, but even that won't be as cheap as people think, and the capacity of the park would remain the same (or possibly shrink a bit).

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Mississippi State sells season tickets to their general admission area that come out to about $7/game, which I think would address exactly what that poster would like to see.

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TXAggie2011 said:

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If you can reliably sell a seat as a single game general admission ticket, then yeah, you'll make more money from that seat than selling it as a season ticket. That's part of why many pro sports teams keep single game seats available that they could sell as season tickets.

We're selling 201 and 204 for about $550/year right now, so that's what, about $15-16 a game? If you can reliably sell out 202 and 203 at $30 a pop for half the season (conference games), then your math comes out OK. But that might be some tough math.

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Captain Pablo said:

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TXAggie2011 said:

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If you can reliably sell a seat as a single game general admission ticket, then yeah, you'll make more money from that seat than selling it as a season ticket. That's part of why many pro sports teams keep single game seats available that they could sell as season tickets.

We're selling 201 and 204 for about $550/year right now, so that's what, about $15-16 a game? If you can reliably sell out 202 and 203 at $30 a pop for half the season (conference games), then your math comes out OK. But that might be some tough math.

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I dunno. Maybe

But 202 and 203 are full every game

36 home games, but we'll call it 30 for some wiggle room

Tickets are already $20 or so. Those seats are prime. $30 isn't unreasonable

It would be interesting

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Lady Aravis said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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TXAggie2011 said:

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If you can reliably sell a seat as a single game general admission ticket, then yeah, you'll make more money from that seat than selling it as a season ticket. That's part of why many pro sports teams keep single game seats available that they could sell as season tickets.

We're selling 201 and 204 for about $550/year right now, so that's what, about $15-16 a game? If you can reliably sell out 202 and 203 at $30 a pop for half the season (conference games), then your math comes out OK. But that might be some tough math.

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I dunno. Maybe

But 202 and 203 are full every game

36 home games, but we'll call it 30 for some wiggle room

Tickets are already $20 or so. Those seats are prime. $30 isn't unreasonable

It would be interesting

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Isn't 202/203 also where students with sports passes sit? If so, that interferes with the math quite a bit.

Also, single game tickets vary between $8 and $15 most of the time. I went to quite a few games this year and don't recall ever paying $20 per ticket -- that's too high for me, husband, and kids to all go on a regular basis. $30 per ticket means we won't go as a family ever again unless our income drastically increases.

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twk said:

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Renn_dls said:

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My main concern is that removing GA from the grandstands would kill Olsen Magic and the impact that students and the guys in 203 can have on the opposing team. If they all got shoved to Section 12, Olsen wouldn't have the same feel

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I don't think that will happen. If you host the super regionals, you have to provide the visiting team with up to 600 tickets between 1st and 3rd base. When we host a super regional, we take these seats out of the GA allotment, while other schools have to displace season ticket holders. I think everyone concerned at A&M would prefer to keep things the way they are, rather than open this can of worms.

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TAMU1990 said:

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twk said:

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Renn_dls said:

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My main concern is that removing GA from the grandstands would kill Olsen Magic and the impact that students and the guys in 203 can have on the opposing team. If they all got shoved to Section 12, Olsen wouldn't have the same feel

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I don't think that will happen. If you host the super regionals, you have to provide the visiting team with up to 600 tickets between 1st and 3rd base. When we host a super regional, we take these seats out of the GA allotment, while other schools have to displace season ticket holders. I think everyone concerned at A&M would prefer to keep things the way they are, rather than open this can of worms.

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That's good news. The student sections should remain as is.

Are we looking at expanding both decks down the 3rd base berm? I would just do a single deck expansion down the 1st baseline.

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