Napoleon or Grant

3,752 Views | 53 Replies | Last: 2 mo ago by Green2Maroon
maroon barchetta
How long do you want to ignore this user?
IIIHorn said:

Whatabout Napoleon Dynamite?


Gosh!
King of the Dairy Queen
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Grant is playing A ball and napoleon is mlb
Duffel Pud
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Pfffffftttt. Even this guy was smarter than Nappy.

APHIS AG
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Ragoo said:

YokelRidesAgain said:

Grant. I like generals who don't get captured and exiled, OK?

or lose

And yet, the Northern Newspapers labeled him as a butcher as Union casualties soared.
MGS
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Grant is on the $100 bill. France doesn't even have it's own money anymore.
Sapper Redux
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Aggie97 said:

Napoleon was a better strategist. Grant won because he had more men. Grant knew the Confederates did not have the resources to replace troops so he just overwhelmed them and took huge losses knowing he could replace his troops and Lee could not


That idea about Grant is roughly 60 years out of date. Grant was an outstanding strategist. The Vicksburg Campaign was a masterpiece where he was outnumbered until late in the siege and kept two enemy armies from coordinating. He ran the entire war effort in 1864 and spearheaded the capture of Atlanta, gave Sherman leave for the March to the Sea, had Thomas hold Tennessee, and then pushed Lee around until he was trapped. Had Butler and Burnside captured Petersburg as directed when it was wide open, the war would have ended months earlier.
Sapper Redux
How long do you want to ignore this user?
APHIS AG said:

Ragoo said:

YokelRidesAgain said:

Grant. I like generals who don't get captured and exiled, OK?

or lose

And yet, the Northern Newspapers labeled him as a butcher as Union casualties soared.


He killed fewer than Napoleon and he won.
King of the Dairy Queen
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Sapper Redux said:

Aggie97 said:

Napoleon was a better strategist. Grant won because he had more men. Grant knew the Confederates did not have the resources to replace troops so he just overwhelmed them and took huge losses knowing he could replace his troops and Lee could not


That idea about Grant is roughly 60 years out of date. Grant was an outstanding strategist. The Vicksburg Campaign was a masterpiece where he was outnumbered until late in the siege and kept two enemy armies from coordinating. He ran the entire war effort in 1864 and spearheaded the capture of Atlanta, gave Sherman leave for the March to the Sea, had Thomas hold Tennessee, and then pushed Lee around until he was trapped. Had Butler and Burnside captured Petersburg as directed when it was wide open, the war would have ended months earlier.


The idea that the further we get away from events the better understanding we have is insane. In reality, as time passes new narratives, driven by modern political expediency, are inserted and disseminated through institutions.
Sapper Redux
How long do you want to ignore this user?
King of the Dairy Queen said:

Sapper Redux said:

Aggie97 said:

Napoleon was a better strategist. Grant won because he had more men. Grant knew the Confederates did not have the resources to replace troops so he just overwhelmed them and took huge losses knowing he could replace his troops and Lee could not


That idea about Grant is roughly 60 years out of date. Grant was an outstanding strategist. The Vicksburg Campaign was a masterpiece where he was outnumbered until late in the siege and kept two enemy armies from coordinating. He ran the entire war effort in 1864 and spearheaded the capture of Atlanta, gave Sherman leave for the March to the Sea, had Thomas hold Tennessee, and then pushed Lee around until he was trapped. Had Butler and Burnside captured Petersburg as directed when it was wide open, the war would have ended months earlier.


The idea that the further we get away from events the better understanding we have is insane. In reality, as time passes new narratives, driven by modern political expediency, are inserted and disseminated through institutions.


That's an amazing statement to make given what we know about the deliberate alteration of history that happened in the Lost Cause mythology.
JJxvi
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Anybody coulda done what Grant done except like every other officer senior to him in the whole army most of whom even got to try.
Hardworking, Unselfish, Fearless
Eliminatus
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Does Grant have an entire Era of human history named after him because he is considered to be so universally respected and influential to the civilized world? Did he have entire nations fear him so much they declared war on him? Not his nation. On HIM?

Didn't think so. Checkmate atheists.
maroon barchetta
How long do you want to ignore this user?
MGS said:

Grant is on the $100 bill. France doesn't even have it's own money anymore.


Uhhhh
Eliminatus
How long do you want to ignore this user?
maroon barchetta said:

MGS said:

Grant is on the $100 bill. France doesn't even have it's own money anymore.


Uhhhh


He hasn't been making it rain benjis in some time I guess..











Me either
Green2Maroon
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Grant was certainly no Napoleon Bonaparte.
maroon barchetta
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Green2Maroon said:

Grant was certainly no Napoleon Bonaparte.


Yeah, well, Napoleon is not on the $100 bill
Green2Maroon
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Grant was still a hell of a general and had a very remarkable career all the way to becoming President. History has recorded very few people as incredible as Napoleon though.
Eliminatus
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Sapper Redux said:

Aggie97 said:

Napoleon was a better strategist. Grant won because he had more men. Grant knew the Confederates did not have the resources to replace troops so he just overwhelmed them and took huge losses knowing he could replace his troops and Lee could not


That idea about Grant is roughly 60 years out of date. Grant was an outstanding strategist. The Vicksburg Campaign was a masterpiece where he was outnumbered until late in the siege and kept two enemy armies from coordinating. He ran the entire war effort in 1864 and spearheaded the capture of Atlanta, gave Sherman leave for the March to the Sea, had Thomas hold Tennessee, and then pushed Lee around until he was trapped. Had Butler and Burnside captured Petersburg as directed when it was wide open, the war would have ended months earlier.

Vicksburg was masterful. Though he was fighting a dunce too. The rest of the Overland was standard attritional warfare. Grant's forte was not being afraid to use that strategy. IOW, be brutal. In all honesty, I think we should expect any decent general officer, whose sole aim is to win the war, to do the same and have the same results.

Napoleon would have dunked on Grant after crossing him up and breaking his ankles. Game: Blouses
TriAg2010
How long do you want to ignore this user?
JJxvi said:

Anybody coulda done what Grant done except like every other officer senior to him in the whole army most of whom even got to try.


So his Wars Above Replacement aren't very impressive?
Green2Maroon
How long do you want to ignore this user?
That would have been one nasty battle. Even 80,000 Frenchmen under Napoleon against 120,000 Americans under Grant. I don't know if we could have won that.
Refresh
Page 2 of 2
 
×
subscribe Verify your student status
See Subscription Benefits
Trial only available to users who have never subscribed or participated in a previous trial.