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In reply to agdoc2001 • 2:10p, 3/10/26
agdoc2001 said:
Macarthur said:
I think it's problematic because it's not a good character/acting job. Maybe it could have been pulled off with a diff actor. .

I just think, given the context, he uses the work WAYYY too much. I grew up in a small town in Texas, and I never encountered anyone that used that word that much. That's why many feel like it was gratuitous, and I don't think it's a particularly 'natural' feeling dialogue, given the context.

There's also the element that Tarantino is a terrible actor. I think it's part of the charm for his many cameos, but I do think it's a bit cringe in this instance.

Look, I'll say it again, he's a top 5 for me, all time. The move PF is a masterpiece, and it's still okay to say that character is a bit problematic.

Imagine a world where a movie contains a drug overdose, gratuitous violence, rape, and jewelry worn rectally; yet we're clutching our pearls over the inclusion of a word


I think you're being a bit reductive to say it 'just a word' and acting like it was said once or twice. Again, context matters.

The word is very appropriate in Django and it's also very appropriate, at times in PF, but it's thet gratuitous nature of it being used by this character and it's context that make it somewhat problematic.
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In reply to Macarthur • 2:26p, 3/10/26
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This is a position she feels comfortable espousing, while throwing a director who gave her a job under the bus, because being 'woke' is considered morally virtuous in her circles. I'm sorry that bothers you, but get over it. It's the truth.

Also, the context in the movie makes complete sense. The dude was just waking up in the valley, looking to drink some morning coffee and read the newspaper. Then he gets a call from a gangster needing a place to lay low, and that gangster shows up in a car filled with a headless man and brains/blood. I would be irate, as well, and would probably say some uncouth things.

But, of course, you are morally virtuous. You and your pals are better than everyone else and you would have reacted calmly. You would have said, "Pretty please, with sugar on top, can you please clean the car and leave before my wife gets home? Because she will probably divorce me, take half my stuff, and wreck my life. But i'm so happy I've been able to help you out, today! I hope you show up once a week with a problem just like this, because i'm such a great guy!"

It's not anywhere as gratuitous as every time I hear a black person use the word. THOSE times, it is gratuitous.
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In reply to Macarthur • 2:30p, 3/10/26
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I'm not being reductive at all, I'm being realistic. There is no word that exists, in any language, of which the verbalization of said word should be considered more egregious than actual physical or sexual violence.

This world was a much better place before we collectively decided that we should spend our free time being offended on behalf of other people and began using the word "problematic" in our daily vernacular. Maybe we should consider removing it from our lexicon once again.

Or maybe....just maybe.....we should stop trying to cancel people for **** that happened 30 years ago, remember that movies are make believe, and stop trying to accrue unearned moral superiority.
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In reply to agdoc2001 • 2:34p, 3/10/26
agdoc2001 said:
I'm not being reductive at all, I'm being realistic. There is no word that exists, in any language, of which the verbalization of said word should be considered more egregious than actual physical or sexual violence.

This world was a much better place before we collectively decided that we should spend our free time being offended on behalf of other people and began using the word "problematic" in our daily vernacular. Maybe we should consider removing it from our lexicon once again.

Or maybe....just maybe.....we should stop trying to cancel people for **** that happened 30 years ago, remember that movies are make believe, and stop trying to accrue unearned moral superiority.


You have completely overracted and projected a ton of baggage YOU are carrying onto me.

If you go back and read my post, I did call her out. Geez.


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In reply to Lathspell • 2:35p, 3/10/26
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This is a position she feels comfortable espousing, while throwing a director who gave her a job under the bus, because being 'woke' is considered morally virtuous in her circles. I'm sorry that bothers you, but get over it. It's the truth.

Also, the context in the movie makes complete sense. The dude was just waking up in the valley, looking to drink some morning coffee and read the newspaper. Then he gets a call from a gangster needing a place to lay low, and that gangster shows up in a car filled with a headless man and brains/blood. I would be irate, as well, and would probably say some uncouth things.

But, of course, you are morally virtuous. You and your pals are better than everyone else and you would have reacted calmly. You would have said, "Pretty please, with sugar on top, can you please clean the car and leave before my wife gets home? Because she will probably divorce me, take half my stuff, and wreck my life. But i'm so happy I've been able to help you out, today! I hope you show up once a week with a problem just like this, because i'm such a great guy!"

It's not anywhere as gratuitous as every time I hear a black person use the word. THOSE times, it is gratuitous.


Again, you are the one blowing this into woke olympics.

Ask yourself why YOU are so worked up over this conversation....Esp over a movie we all love.
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In reply to Macarthur • 2:42p, 3/10/26
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Woke olympics? Wtf are you even talking about, ROFL? I literally made my argument as to why I claimed what she said came from a woke mindset. Your rebuttal to the argument is a Straw Man. I don't see an AgTag, so I'm assuming you aren't an Aggie. If you are, or if you attended any other college, you should have taken logic. You seem to be lacking.

How am I getting worked up? By posting an opinion on an internet forum and actually using premises and conclusions in my arguments? You have posted more than me, so I guess that means you are incredibly distraught about this entire subject. I'm so sorry you have been hurt by those violent words and by my "worked up" posts. I'll be nicer to you, in the future. Would hate to make you feel unsafe with all the violence (words) I have perpetrated against you.
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In reply to Lathspell • 2:51p, 3/10/26
Having an opinion on why the dialogue was the way it was in the context of the movie is a valid discussion.

You didn't need to resort to the childishness. I swear, anytime some folks sense 'wokeness' they ironically turn into the biggest snowflakes on the planet.
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In reply to Lathspell • 2:58p, 3/10/26
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This is a position she feels comfortable espousing, while throwing a director who gave her a job under the bus, because being 'woke' is considered morally virtuous in her circles. I'm sorry that bothers you, but get over it. It's the truth.

Also, the context in the movie makes complete sense. The dude was just waking up in the valley, looking to drink some morning coffee and read the newspaper. Then he gets a call from a gangster needing a place to lay low, and that gangster shows up in a car filled with a headless man and brains/blood. I would be irate, as well, and would probably say some uncouth things.

But, of course, you are morally virtuous. You and your pals are better than everyone else and you would have reacted calmly. You would have said, "Pretty please, with sugar on top, can you please clean the car and leave before my wife gets home? Because she will probably divorce me, take half my stuff, and wreck my life. But i'm so happy I've been able to help you out, today! I hope you show up once a week with a problem just like this, because i'm such a great guy!"

It's not anywhere as gratuitous as every time I hear a black person use the word. THOSE times, it is gratuitous.


This slipped by me first time.

Really? Really? You gonna go there. Esp, after calling my level of education out for apparently not taking logic in college.
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In reply to Macarthur • 2:58p, 3/10/26
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Having an opinion on why the dialogue was the way it was in the context of the movie is a valid discussion.

You didn't need to resort to the childishness. I swear, anytime some folks sense 'wokeness' they ironically turn into the biggest snowflakes on the planet.


Wait... so you admit that "wokeness" is the genesis of this entire thing?

Well... thanks for playing, I guess!
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3:08p, 3/10/26
Notice I did put it in quotes.
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In reply to Eso si, Que es • 3:27p, 3/10/26
Eso si, Que es said:
Holy bumps.

I agree with QT here. Rosanna Arquette probably hates Mel Brooks too.

You can't tip toe around the gangster world, you either avoid it, or dive in. No half measures. "Wound Bill" sounds like a meh movie. "Jaqueline White" never gets off the ground.

I love QT movies, but he goes our of his way to use the n-word. In many movies...esp if you count True Romance. Almost as much as he likes showing girls' feet. He's a weird mofo, but a genius. But yeah, his use of the n-word has made me a little uncomfortable at times, and I am a right winger who has dabbled in racial jokes from time to time.

"Take your foot off the n" or "Do I have a sign out front that says dead n storage?" is not how gangsters talk imo. It's how QT tries to be funny.

Sorry, QT is a super rabid leftist who hates me and my family, so I'm not going to sob for him here when a washed up actress calls him out over his love of including that word in over-the-top ways in movies.
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6:02p, 3/10/26
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I'm a massive QT fan, but admittedly his response to Arquette comes off as pretty hypocritical considering how he trashed Paul Dano and Matthew Lillard for no good reason.

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There is supposed to be an esprit de corps between artistic colleagues.


You can't possibly have this stance after essentially punching down at working class actors.
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In reply to Macarthur • 7:09p, 3/10/26
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Macarthur said:
agdoc2001 said:
Macarthur said:
I think it's problematic because it's not a good character/acting job. Maybe it could have been pulled off with a diff actor. .

I just think, given the context, he uses the work WAYYY too much. I grew up in a small town in Texas, and I never encountered anyone that used that word that much. That's why many feel like it was gratuitous, and I don't think it's a particularly 'natural' feeling dialogue, given the context.

There's also the element that Tarantino is a terrible actor. I think it's part of the charm for his many cameos, but I do think it's a bit cringe in this instance.

Look, I'll say it again, he's a top 5 for me, all time. The move PF is a masterpiece, and it's still okay to say that character is a bit problematic.

Imagine a world where a movie contains a drug overdose, gratuitous violence, rape, and jewelry worn rectally; yet we're clutching our pearls over the inclusion of a word


I think you're being a bit reductive to say it 'just a word' and acting like it was said once or twice. Again, context matters.

The word is very appropriate in Django and it's also very appropriate, at times in PF, but it's thet gratuitous nature of it being used by this character and it's context that make it somewhat problematic.

Pulp Fiction is full of absurdity and bizarreness (QT movies in general are). You could say a huge amount of the movie doesn't fit contextually pretty easily, that's why it's as entertaining as it is.
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7:28p, 3/10/26
To me it showed the power structure of the gang pretty well. QT plays kind of a nerdy guy but we are told through his unapologetic use of the word around the hardcore gangster Jules and doesn't get a reaction, it shows he is up the chain. Then the wolf comes in, acts politely, doesn't threaten or curse, and he's shown to be the alpha in front of the 2 gangsters we've known all movie and have seen kill people and the guy who blasted the word with aplomb around them. I felt like it suited the scene and character, never got the feeling QT just wanted to say it repeatedly
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In reply to G.I.Bro • 7:53p, 3/10/26
That's a fair take
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In reply to Ol_Ag_02 • 9:20a, 3/13/26
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Ol_Ag_02 said:
Macarthur said:
Gotta love it when 'woke' enters the discussion.

Look, I think there can be multiple things that are true.

I am a huge fan of QT. He is one of my fav filmmakers and has been for a long time.

HOWEVER, his character, Jimmy, in PF, is pretty problematic. It's one thing to use the word Soooo much in the context of Django. That's completely understandable. It does seem a bit gratuitous for that character in PF though.

And to the point that this is some new woke thing, there were plenty of folks back in the 90's and early 2000's that had issues with QT so this is not some modern thing.

I also agree with QT in that it seems like a bit of cheap shot for her to reference this now. I don't know the context in which she was asked but she prob needs to just keep that to herself.



He's an actor. It' a character. It's not problematic.

Exactly and in the movie they show a hypothetical scene where his wife shows up catching them in the act of disposing the body and she's black.

Now, I'm not suggesting that's justification for using that racial slur but also note that Jules, who has no problem killing anyone, doesn't blink an eye when Jimmie says it in front of him, which tells me they've known each other a LONG time.

Therefore, you can assume Jimmie has grown up in the black community where that word is used constantly so I think you have to use that context when evaluating that character.

Also, at the end of the day he is completely fine covering up for a murder for some money so it's not like QT is painting this guy as some saint.
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In reply to Prosperdick • 9:40a, 3/13/26
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Prosperdick said:
Therefore, you can assume Jimmie has grown up in the black community where that word is used constantly so I think you have to use that context when evaluating that character.

LMFAOOOOOOOOO. Y'all crack me up, Texags.
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In reply to Head Ninja In Charge • 12:36p, 3/13/26
Head Ninja In Charge said:
Prosperdick said:
Therefore, you can assume Jimmie has grown up in the black community where that word is used constantly so I think you have to use that context when evaluating that character.

LMFAOOOOOOOOO. Y'all crack me up, Texags.


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12:48p, 3/13/26
It seems like a lot of y'all have put more thought into the character of Jimmy than QT did. I'm pretty sure QT just thought it'd be funny.
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12:51p, 3/13/26
My theory is QT uses the nword frequently to troll everyone

The word only has power bc society allows it to... So QT stokes the flames bc he can


QT is steady trolling blacks & whites alike, but everyone is too broken realize that they are actually the joke
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In reply to Prosperdick • 1:05p, 3/13/26
I always just thought it was used to display his anger and outrage of the situation brought to his door step first thing in the morning. He wanted to express his outrage and anger to SJ's character as it did not seem they fully grasped the situation. He used a word he thought would most anger SJ and show his dominance over them in that instance because he held all the cards. Also in the real world criminals call each other vulgar things (no matter skin color) all the time.
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In reply to C.O.F. • 3:26p, 3/13/26
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C.O.F. said:
I always just thought it was used to display his anger and outrage of the situation brought to his door step first thing in the morning. He wanted to express his outrage and anger to SJ's character as it did not seem they fully grasped the situation. He used a word he thought would most anger SJ and show his dominance over them in that instance because he held all the cards. Also in the real world criminals call each other vulgar things (no matter skin color) all the time.

This is true and is basically what I said. People are digging way too hard into this.

Who the **** cares what words he uses? They're just words. It's a character in a movie. Hell, who cares even if he were racist?

People spend too much time caring what other people think about them. Unless you are close to that person or have to interact with them every day, just let it go and get on with your life.
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